Whitechapel - What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178926#Comment_178926 2009-07-31T13:21:55-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 thekiltedstranger http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6942 I really don't get it. She's got a motherflippin harem, supposedly gathered by the power of her mind to keep her perpetually in "the Land of O", but he does this with one girl and they ... I really just want to know. I love this story, but I don't understand this part of it.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178937#Comment_178937 2009-07-31T14:33:33-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 RandRComics http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7008 If I were to hazard a guess (and I will) Sirkka only stimulates urges and desires already inherent in her paramours. Luke flat out raped a girl. It's like the difference between convincing someone to ... What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178946#Comment_178946 2009-07-31T15:09:41-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Dan Kelly http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3084 I'm not sure that there has been any suggestion that Sirkka does anything to her harem, other than let them have a good time. There's plenty of people who'd quite happily join in Sirkka's ...
There's plenty of people who'd quite happily join in Sirkka's libertine existence even if it weren't providing a safe and secure environment in the hell hole that is Freakangel's Whitechapel

That's not to say that Luke won't suggest that she's not entirely innocent during the trial ;-)]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178952#Comment_178952 2009-07-31T16:01:22-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Jay Kay http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=814 I think Dan's on the money--I don't see her forcing her harem members into "the land of O," whereas Luke's actions are, by definition, non-consentual. What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178956#Comment_178956 2009-07-31T16:46:52-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 warrenellis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2 She's got a motherflippin harem, supposedly gathered by the power of her mind to keep her perpetually in "the Land of O", Read back. How much of that is happening in your head? She's got a motherflippin harem, supposedly gathered by the power of her mind to keep her perpetually in "the Land of O",

Read back. How much of that is happening in your head?]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178957#Comment_178957 2009-07-31T16:52:40-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 mister hex http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411 @ Warren - Good point. What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178960#Comment_178960 2009-07-31T16:57:46-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Dotcommunist http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6708 ahhh, benign exercise of power means YOU ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE NAZIS ahhh take that, lefty moralists.
ahhh

take that, lefty moralists.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178965#Comment_178965 2009-07-31T17:13:33-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Fauxhammer http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=27 Sirkka "sweet-talks" you into doing what would come naturally. Luke gives you psychic roofies. What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178968#Comment_178968 2009-07-31T17:23:05-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 mister hex http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411 None of the Freakangels' hands are clean. They destroyed the world, whether they wanted to or not. Each and every one of them is a mass murderer. S'why this story is so INTERESTING. Like crack. ...
S'why this story is so INTERESTING. Like crack. WORSE than crack. (Not that I've ever smoked crack.)]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178982#Comment_178982 2009-07-31T18:18:27-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 oldhat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=75 Come on now, hex. First step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178984#Comment_178984 2009-07-31T18:36:19-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Dotcommunist http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6708 I've smoked crack for the lulz and believe me Freak Angels is more addictive. Plus it only makes you vomit ever so often (like when the surrounding crews tried an assault and got owned. That was some ... What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=178988#Comment_178988 2009-07-31T18:56:44-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 mister hex http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411 @ Robin - Drunkard and Pothead? ChecKMATE, ( And I don't mean Mail-Order Bride.) Cut me a bump and I'm THERE. But I suck on a pop can for no man.* *Okay, I smoked crack ONCE, out of peer ... Cut me a bump and I'm THERE. But I suck on a pop can for no man.*

*Okay, I smoked crack ONCE, out of peer pressure. Didn't like it. I guess it's like Anal Sex. If you try it, AND you like it, then I guess You Like It.

Me? I'll stick with Freakangels, Makes my bum hurt less, for one thing.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=179006#Comment_179006 2009-07-31T21:24:22-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 arvandor http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1578 Two major differences: 1. There is no evidence that Sirrka is forcing anyone to sleep with her against their will, and strong evidence against it. Luke is clearly shown to be forcing his victim ...
1. There is no evidence that Sirrka is forcing anyone to sleep with her against their will, and strong evidence against it. Luke is clearly shown to be forcing his victim without giving any choie at all.

2. Aside from that one mistake of - oops - flooding the world, Sirkka has harmed no one, and indeed helped them when she could. Luke (and Mark) use their powers for rape and slavery. While it may be true that, thanks the Sirkka's mindwipes, there may be no lasting damage, that is irrelevant. It is still an evil crime that caused great harm at he time.

I see NOTHING in common between Sirrka and Luke (and Mark).]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=179012#Comment_179012 2009-07-31T22:32:41-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Don Hilliard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5974 @arvandor: Your two statements of fact are right...but, y'know, the question that titles this thread is still a valid one. From what we've seen thus far Sirkka's mindset seems about the closest to ... Stormwatch arcs that may be fuzzing my read a bit.)

And as Jack and Alice discussed a couple of episodes back, Sirkka's mucking about in rape victims' heads - even for the best of reasons - is ethically questionable. Not as ethically black as using telepathic control to effect a rape, obviously...but Luke didn't cross that line for a long time, and he apparently once did much the same "rape care" work as Sirkka in the aftermath of Mark's mindfuckery. I don't see Sirkka as immediately being the creep that Luke has become, but she's at least a few steps further down the path he's trod than any of the other 'Angels.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=179196#Comment_179196 2009-08-01T19:24:21-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Quixotess http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6759 Don, I really like your analysis. Mark crossed a long time ago, we are seeing Luke crossing, and Sirkka as you say seems to be approaching it. It does not say good things about the state of being a ...
And I've not read Stormwatch and I get the same impression as you of Sirkka's relationship with the people in her harem.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=179255#Comment_179255 2009-08-02T00:15:44-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 James Cunningham http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2925 What's the difference between a rapist and a dom? One is a rapist, and the other plays mind and sex games with willing partners. Sirkka may have a cult of personality, but she doesn't do it with ...
Plus it's worth noting that, while it looks like she's the queen bee from the outside, we haven't seen enough of the inner workings of the relationships among her group to know how true that is. Her entire goal of "reinvent the human relationship" breaks down if all she's got is a harem.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=179395#Comment_179395 2009-08-02T14:37:47-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 hank http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=79 @james: What's the difference between a rapist and a dom? One is a rapist, and the other plays mind and sex games with willing partners. Sirkka may have a cult of personality, but she doesn't do ...
What's the difference between a rapist and a dom? One is a rapist, and the other plays mind and sex games with willing partners. Sirkka may have a cult of personality, but she doesn't do it with Freakangel brain power.


Consent. HUGE Difference.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=179437#Comment_179437 2009-08-02T16:44:13-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Cat Vincent http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=447 I'll just throw in that (despite of course getting all the kinky fun a growing Freakangel girl needs) Sirkka could actually be doing long-term healing on the folk in her 'harem'. Sexual play, and ... could actually be doing long-term healing on the folk in her 'harem'. Sexual play, and especially submission, in a loving and safe environment, is one of the best ways to help heal post-traumatic stress, especially combat- or sexually-acquired. If that's what Sirkka's up to (and noting that it would be quite within her power to just zap such people better - and she hasn't, it seems), it's about as far from Mark's activities as possible.
Not that it'll stop him making insinuations on the subject, I'm sure.

And of course she could be running a low-level glamour with her fuckbuddies... maybe even 'for their own good' as well as hers. Only Warren Knows.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=179963#Comment_179963 2009-08-03T23:19:35-07:00 2009-08-03T23:24:16-07:00 pinoles http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7069 Sir Don Hilliard: > They're both extremely self-centered and disinclined to do much for the Whitechapel community or their mates, Episode 0022 (specifically, page 3) shows us her harem is ...
> They're both extremely self-centered and disinclined to do much for the Whitechapel community or their mates,

Episode 0022 (specifically, page 3) shows us her harem is also a trained defensive unit. To me, that contradicts the "disinclined to help whitechapel" part, although it's admittedly not quite the sustained effort the others are putting into rebuilding the community in the beginning of book 3. And it also seems like someone as self-centered as Luke wouldn't have conceived of the experience-scrubbing for the rape cases. (Luke's version of help: E0022 again, page 4.)

In fact, it almost seems to me like the prelude, the flood, and the aftermath sent Luke in one direction and Sirkka in another. I mean, *all* of the Freakangels have a pretty heavy weight on their minds, which causes them to jump fairly far in their own directions (seriously, when you can make wearing a tin foil hat seem normal, something's off).

So in answer of the original question, no: I believe Luke's wiring is fundamentally different from everyone else's - that we've met, anyway.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180049#Comment_180049 2009-08-04T05:24:55-07:00 2009-08-04T05:27:57-07:00 Pooka http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=216 I think Sirkka's only wrong doing was to wipe the victim's minds without asking them if that's what they wanted or not. Sure she was sparing them a bit of pain and trauma...but if I were raped (and ... Sure she was sparing them a bit of pain and trauma...but if I were raped (and while we're admitting personal thingies today, I have been), I would like the chance to decide if I wantedt o keep those memories or not. A stronger person than me might say yes, they would want to keep that kind of trauma, because it's the truth and it's part of them...
Wait...wait...okay...while typing this I argued to myself that yes, she probably thinks so too...but they are trying to keep their powers a secret...and if the victim said no, that they wanted to keep their memories then Sirrka would be forced to mind wipe them a little anyway to erase the questioning...but...that's a smaller sin I believe...


edit: also...as for her running a glamour over her devotees...I dunno...being in a post apocolyptic world where your only salvation is a beautiful woman, who only wants to take care of you and love you and protect you...well,it seems like an easy, comfortable life to me...I don't think she'd have to glamour anybody...]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180057#Comment_180057 2009-08-04T06:11:26-07:00 2009-08-04T19:23:24-07:00 / http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6788 ~ *redacted* ~ ~ *redacted* ~ ]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180103#Comment_180103 2009-08-04T08:33:40-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 SarahK http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7020 @Pooka and if the victim said no, that they wanted to keep their memories then Sirrka would be forced to mind wipe them a little anyway to erase the questioning...but...that's a smaller sin I ...
and if the victim said no, that they wanted to keep their memories then Sirrka would be forced to mind wipe them a little anyway to erase the questioning...but...that's a smaller sin I believe...


I started out wholeheartedly agreeing with this, but as I wrote more, I got more and more confused.

It seems so much better to ASK.. and then if they say no, make the glowy eyes and say, "Right, forget I asked. I was just asking you if you had any other injuries." or something. Although there are problems with this, both in the "rape camp" situation and Luke's situation. In the former, Sirkka has to find a quick, effective way to convince them that she actually COULD wipe the memory -- and wouldn't you be a little skeptical, possibly even enraged that someone could tease you with the possibility at a time like that? You probably couldn't do it discreetly, which would mean having to tell everyone, and then do a mass mind wipe later.

And in Luke's case, they can't let the girl keep her memories without also letting her in on the Freakangels secret. The choices are to let her keep her full memories, a la Alice, wipe her mind of the incident nearly completely, or redact the rape scenario to exclude Luke messing about in her brain (which would probably mean including false memories of a struggle, etc). If the Freakangels' secret must be kept (and apparently it must) Sirkka really had no choice but to wipe her mind. There's no way to let her keep her memory of her experience without also being in on the Freakangels' secret.

Which makes me wonder. They let Alice keep HER memories -- why? What makes memories of Mark implanting "command lines" in her head and sending her off to murder people such a beneficial thing to remember? Why was Alice "let in"? Maybe it was because she was alone, while the girl Luke raped came from a community and had something to go back to. But they are all walking a pretty smudgy moral line here.

I think keeping the Freakangels powers secret is going to become more and more difficult, especially if Luke is allowed to live. Because he is not going to stop what he's doing, and who's to say he won't be observed by someone in the community at some point? Hell, who's to say that someone didn't see already, and run away before anyone noticed? Sirkka and Caz were pretty busy with Luke, after all...

Anyone else have thoughts on this? My brain is rambling on faster than I can form coherent sentences.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180119#Comment_180119 2009-08-04T09:18:03-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Sai http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7004 They let Alice keep HER memories -- why? What makes memories of Mark implanting "command lines" in her head and sending her off to murder people such a beneficial thing to remember? Why was ... They let Alice keep HER memories -- why? What makes memories of Mark implanting "command lines" in her head and sending her off to murder people such a beneficial thing to remember? Why was Alice "let in"?

Alice had already encountered Mark? She knew he had powers, therefore knew other people would have powers. She mentions in... Episode 5, page 5 that Mark gets inside people's heads.

I mean they could have just wiped that memory I supposed and threw her into the community, but it was probably easier to just calm her down instead of re-writing her entire brain to give her reasons for why she was *in* the community (if they wiped her and let her live there...)

With Alice, they didn't so much as change her memory, more remove what Mark had done. (apparently. As there are theories that other FAs have done some wonderous scheme to get her there and bring them all together.)

I agree that the more they let the more "loose" FAs stay un-disciplined, like Luke, the more chance there is of people discovering them. But then again they probably have the power to wipe the entire town's memory if needs must?]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180289#Comment_180289 2009-08-04T17:07:06-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Cathaidan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7082 aravandor - That's not entirely correct. She's never seen hurting anyone from White Chapel. She does however man one of the huge steam guns in the defense of White Chapel. The other thing that ...
The other thing that people aren't really looking in to is how easy it is for Sirrka to build a harem. I mean, if I were hanging out in a post apocalyptic world and some hot chick, with purple hair and a bikini were to come up to me, offer me food, shelter, safety, etc, and all I had to do was join her harem, hell sign me up for that! Its not mind control if you're willing from the start.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180295#Comment_180295 2009-08-04T17:47:59-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 atavistian http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6519 Rape, at its core, is about power and dehumanization. Sexual gratification is a distant third. Luke uses his package to effect power over his rape victim because she's nothing but a hole for him ...
Luke uses his package to effect power over his rape victim because she's nothing but a hole for him to screw; it goes along well with his "master race" crap. Regular humans (especially women) are there to do what he wants them to do.

Sirkka is busy trying to re-make the essential human relationship, and doesn't particularly demean her harem. She obviously cares for them. I haven't seen a single place where she exerts power over them in a nonconsensual way, as opposed to using it for their physical/sexual/interpersonal benefit in a consensual environment. I also haven't seen her take total control of one of her harem and zap his or her consciousness away while she rides them, as someone else has said, like a dirty, dirty pony.

Sex is coercive, sure. A decent blowjob makes me willing to do just about anything. But it's nothing close to rape, thanks to power, consent, and consciousness.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180322#Comment_180322 2009-08-04T19:36:53-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 mister hex http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4411 IMO, ALL the Freakangels are a 'shower of cunts', as Garth Ennis might say. They destroyed the world. They're each mass murderers, many times over. In the Big Boys' Club with Mao, Stalin and ...
They destroyed the world. They're each mass murderers, many times over. In the Big Boys' Club with Mao, Stalin and Hitler. Which one's worse :Gacy or Dahmer? Hard to say, isn't it? We've seen every single Freakangel (except Mark) do HORRIBLE things (we all cheered when "all your future bone fractures belong to us" and they broke those dudes using only their mind-power!) and we've quibbled over torture and such-like things.

"Luxury", he said, knowingly.

Sirkka, I think, has taken in a LOT of rape victims (boys get raped too. Remember, Whitechapel was a bad place before the FA's realized it was defensible and decided to stay there for a bit) and shown these victims that sex can be good, too. "And while you're here, you'll eat well, you'll love well and you'll feel better everyday, until you're ready to leave here. I'll never kick you out but you can leave whenever you're ready." She's redefining human relationships. You might've been Whatever Before, but now you're You. Back in the day, Sirkka'd known as a procurer. Because women can't be pimps, right? (Why are pimps idolized? I really hate that. It bothers me.)

Luke is a predator, choosing the slowest, the weakest (the girl he raped was on crutches, for chrissakes), the stupid (like Janine. Not her fault she hooked up with him but she wasn't the sharpest elevator in the buildingdrawer), the "scum", to use a word much loved by our fearless leader. (Who is Rightfully Idolized, by all cognoscenti.) On one level, I understand Luke and his "You Snooze, You Lose" policy. At least it's Honest Dishonesty.

Miki is not a doctor and has no business practicing medicine. Jack is a pirate. Connor just sits back and writes it all down. "With Great Power ..." and all that, Connor. You fucking marshmallow. Don't you have a bigger, better job than that? Writing? That's not work.

KK and Caz are alright but they're lazy. Passive. They KNOW they could do great things but they don't. They don't need Qualifications - they need Support! But it's like herding cats, honestly, getting people to help you ...

Arkady is a drug addict and an alcoholic. And clearly unstable. (She almost frightened a man to death by predicting his death.)

Kait is a vigilante. As is Kirk. And Karl. (I imagine it will come out during Luke's trial that Mark wasn't meant to be killed, just exiled and the two bald-headed chicken-fuckers (and one in a tin-foil hat, no less!) took it upon themselves to try to kill him, and fail, and only succeed in pissing him off? ! Betcha THAT'll go over well.

And then there's Mark. And the charges against him are hearsay, at this point. We've never even seen him.

"No one is good, no one in all the world is innocent."

Betcha Alice has seen something similar to Luke's Crime. And she'll play a part in his trial.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180334#Comment_180334 2009-08-04T20:30:44-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Fan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6919 > we all cheered when "all your future bone fractures belong to us" No. Well I didn't. Anyway, also it was self-defense, and revenge, and war, which some if not most people would ... we all cheered when "all your future bone fractures belong to us"

No. Well I didn't.

Anyway, also it was self-defense, and revenge, and war, which some if not most people would say justifies it. As for destroying the world: I think they've regretted it since, are trying to learn from their mistakes, won't do it again, and are trying to make amends; so I think it's time to forgive them for that crime. I think they're much more powerful than other kids, not much 'worse'.

> Miki is not a doctor and has no business practicing medicine.

She is better than no doctor.

> Jack is a pirate.

A scavenger: robbing no-one.

> Kait is a vigilante

I think she's official: we decided when we got here what jobs we would do.

> And then there's Mark. And the charges against him are hearsay, at this point. We've never even seen him.

They believe he's guilty, and who is to doubt them.

> No one is good, no one in all the world is innocent

Yeah, they're human.

I think some of them are "cunts", maybe; not all.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180338#Comment_180338 2009-08-04T20:41:33-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 atavistian http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6519 >I think she's official: we decided when we got here what jobs we would do. When we first meet her, Kait's described as the unofficial constable of Whitechapel. Think it was KK talking to ... I think she's official: we decided when we got here what jobs we would do.

When we first meet her, Kait's described as the unofficial constable of Whitechapel. Think it was KK talking to Alice, but not sure off the top of my head. But I agree that, in all practicality, they accept her as the authority to deal with such matters so I'm not sure where I fall in terms of her being official/unofficial.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180451#Comment_180451 2009-08-05T09:46:14-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 dreujnk http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7003 The way I understood it, Kait is only an "unofficial constable" in that she operates behind the scenes. Not because she's acting as a vigilante. What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180600#Comment_180600 2009-08-05T21:35:49-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Don Hilliard http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5974 @Quixotess: Ta, belatedly. Again, not claiming that Sirkka is as bad as Luke - but I think she's got an uncomfortable lot in common with him. @pinoles: From the dialogue in that episode, it ...
@pinoles: From the dialogue in that episode, it doesn't sound like Sirkka had much to do with training her boys and girls into a defensive unit ("Clear it for action, children, just like those tedious people made you practice.") Having the gun emplacement atop her house makes very good strategic sense, as we saw; ditto having her group trained to man it, since they're by far the closest - but I have to wonder if she'd be taking as active a role in the defense if Jack hadn't been attacked. (This was also the sequence that pointed up [to me] the expression of her love for Jack as, well, kinda largely about HER.)

Luke in the same episode? Yeah, no help whatsoever...but bear in mind that, in addition to being self-centered by nature, in the short time preceding that scene he's been offhandedly dissed by KK, punched in the mouth and kicked in the nadgers by Kurt, rejected (again) by his ex and treated to a brief taste of an OD (and the spectre of his own death) by Arkady. Every bit of which he brought on himself, mind you, but not going to put him in a mood to do anything for anyone.

And the other "tell" I missed mentioning the first time around: Kurt's line in the blowup, "You suck love out of these people's minds like a fucking flea!" Again, more extreme than what Sirkka seems to be doing (and I don't think she's using the Package to do it), but not very dissimilar; they both want lots of love and admiration, but Sirkka apparently attracts it while Luke demands it - or just takes it.

@atavistian/dreujnk: I took it as "unofficial" in the sense that there's no governing body of Whitechapel that appointed Kait as constable, but the 'Angels and the citizens know she's the closest thing to a proper copper they've got, and accept her as such. (And was that supposed to be her giving Arkady the stinkeye in the market early on, or just someone who happened to look like her?)]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=180924#Comment_180924 2009-08-06T21:09:24-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 cas9574 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6587 You can't have a vigilante in the absence of proper authority. Every voodoo priest, hedge doctor, shaman, medicine man, and alternative practitioner would balk at the thought that Miki has no ...
Every voodoo priest, hedge doctor, shaman, medicine man, and alternative practitioner would balk at the thought that Miki has no right to help people when she's obviously the most capable person in the room.

If Jack is a Pirate he's at least a Privateer sailing the ruined canals of sunken England for Queen and Country so to speak.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=182362#Comment_182362 2009-08-12T03:12:56-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 senacherib http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7132 The reason I am so addicted to Freakangels is that, despite their awesome powers, they are ordinary humans; flawed, confused, making choices that they subsequently regret, neither entirely good or ...
senacherib]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=182454#Comment_182454 2009-08-12T12:06:46-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 "Episode 0022 (specifically, page 3) shows us her harem is also a trained defensive unit. To me, that contradicts the "disinclined to help whitechapel" part, although it's admittedly ...
Apart from the harem do we ever see the residents of Whitechapel doing much of anything "to help Whitechapel"?

Sirkka may spend most of her time lying around but her followers/family/whatever seem to be the only large cohesive group in Whitechapel working for the good of the community.

Now maybe that's just because the story's on;y covered a few days and the also that the actual functioning of Whitechapel is peripheral to the story but I don't recall anybody else manning the guns or cleaning up after the battle. THen too that might just be my lousy memory.]]> What's the difference between Sirkka and Luke? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6483&Focus=182458#Comment_182458 2009-08-12T12:19:15-07:00 2013-05-25T03:16:14-07:00 Fan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6919 > Apart from the harem do we ever see the residents of Whitechapel doing much of anything "to help Whitechapel"? Here and here, and here, and the last panel of here, and the third ... Apart from the harem do we ever see the residents of Whitechapel doing much of anything "to help Whitechapel"?

Here and here, and here, and the last panel of here, and the third panel of here.]]>