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CommentAuthorVal A Lindsay II
- CommentTimeOct 2nd 2009
@howyadoin
No, that was me who said Sigue Sigue Sputnik ;). I always sort of mentally connected their look to Max Headroom... -
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About OMD, I actually think Organisation is one of the best British albums I've ever heard, even if I always skip Enola Gay.
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- CommentAuthoricelandbob
- CommentTimeOct 2nd 2009
wait until he starts playing the housemartins! -
Are you kidding? I fucking love that band.
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CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
- CommentTimeOct 4th 2009
All right all you anti-popsong whiners! I think I see what Warren's doing here, and while it's just a guess, I think I see a pattern emerging:
Most of the songs I've seen on this thread in some way made it to the charts and, by their own admission, were odd ducks. But they did establish going to different sources than the 3 chords/verse-chorus-verse template that by the time of most of these songs was dead and being kept alive with electro-shock. OMD, King Kurt, etc. were all, in different ways, saying "fuck it, I wanna do this pop thing MY way", knowing full well they could fall on their faces and makes asses of themselves. I would say it took more balls for OMD to present themselves as they did, amidst the glitter/dayglo and rock of the early mainstream 80's. He's wearing a cardigan, for God's sake!
But they were trying new things, much more fearlessly than I had seen in years. They were "post-punk", in the sense that they developed new ways to say "Fuck Off" to what was around them, but not just going to rock to do so. They were going to jazz, electronic music, showtunes (Capt. Sensible doing "Happy Talk", anyone?) and having a laugh at it. The fact that "O Superman" did make it to the top of the charts in the UK was nothing short of brilliant, a near flipping of the bird to most rock acts, and hopefully filling them with some fear to produce better music. Which some of them did. Eventually.
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@Paul -- I was mostly just teasing Warren (or attempting to) and it took a bit of an ugly turn. Now I just feel bad. :P
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CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
- CommentTimeOct 4th 2009
Jess: I'm sure he can take it, and I wasn't singling anyone out. Don't feel bad (unless he tells you to, of course ;) )
I've just always been a fan of "pop" music, but I know that some people just have an aversion to anything that gets into the charts. My view is that sometimes really genre-changing stuff gets into the charts, and that's really exciting. I'm certainly an optimist, but I take great joy in seeing crap that shouldn't be in the charts get in there and infect all the other homogenized filler around it.
I also like to identify when actual ground is broken, as opposed to when it happens and gets popular at the same time. Look at any big musical sea-change, then look back about a year and I guarantee that we can find a lesser known song that really laid the groundwork for that change to happen. Here's one I always trot out; Ministry's "Twitch" album laid the groundwork for NIN's "Pretty Hate Machine" nearly 5 years ahead (both had Adrian Sherwood on production duty). Heck, Wax Trax records passed on signing Reznor because they already felt they had the album he was pitching (as I have read somewhere, a decision they lived to regret).
Not quite the same, (and more of an extension/continuation of one band), but Joy Division certainly made the listening public more fertile for New Order to become incredibly popular later on. -
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- CommentAuthorfrenchbloke
- CommentTimeOct 5th 2009
re Nine Inch Nails and Wax Trax! - If you have a Wax Trax! catalogue with a mention of Pailhead you'll see them described as 'Harder than nine inch nails..'
Pialhead were Big Al from Ministry (and everyone else) with Ian Mackay from Fugazi. And yes, they were harder than nine inch nails. (and Nine Inch Nails too)
I still can't listen to Pretty Hate Machine - it hasn't travelled well, which is surprising due to Adrian Sherwoods involvement, although it's mostly a Keith Le Blanc at the helm, affair.
Now, New Order - there's a recording doing the rounds on the blogs of a New Order session recorded at Western Works in Sheffield with Kirk, Mallinder and Watson of Cabaret Voltaire at the controls. There's a great track which is a Cabaret Voltaire / New Order collaboration. -
@frenchbloke:
Link please! I loves me some Cabaret Voltaire. Side projects too. Lost interest after "Hypnotized," though. -
- CommentAuthorfrenchbloke
- CommentTimeOct 5th 2009
@bjacques - it can be found via here : http://thepowerofindependenttrucking.blogspot.com/2009/04/homage-new-order-western-works-980.html
there's also a blog that has undertaken correcting the muddy new order re-masters of the singles.
they all sound rather good via http://neworder-recycle.blogspot.com/ -
Cabaret Voltaire don't get nearly enough love.
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CommentAuthorEddie Current
- CommentTimeOct 16th 2009
... Warren's modus operandi, laid bare via music. Take whatever you have to work with, and do it your way... -
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CommentAuthorwarrenellis
- CommentTimeOct 16th 2009
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Sounds like Lush or Main. Anyone remember SeeFeel?
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CommentAuthorwarrenellis
- CommentTimeOct 21st 2009
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CommentAuthorwarrenellis
- CommentTimeOct 21st 2009
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Granada TV was fucking ludicrous, in a good way.
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This thread just cheered me up! Thank you Warren.
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I did not realize that Marc Bolan had his own tv show, or that he died about a week after filming that.
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Huh. I had a very distinct dream in which XTC was up next. "Generals and Majors", I think it was.