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    • CommentAuthorlooneynerd
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009
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    What I worry about is the SEC penalizing stadiums and schools that they see aren't enforcing this enough. Say one college doesn't really care, or doesn't have the staff to enforce this kind of ban, and they suddenly see a ton of tweets about the game. Are the school going to get fined? The teams penalized?
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    My thought was that unless you follow the tweets of a lot of people at a game, you're not going to get the same kind of info-dump as a sports journalist interpreting what's happening on the pitch.


    Well, presuming espn, etc are paying for it as part of the broadcast packages they buy from the conferences, the ncaa, and the pro leagues, then that's the angle there.

    You know, really... probably what's happening here is this: a bunch of players have started twittering in the past few months, it's been the subject of a bunch of news stories in the sports media, and now a bunch of college presidents who have no idea what twitter is are going "wait... people are doing what at games? can't we do something about that?" It'll all shake out after these stupid regs obviously fail and espn and cbs figure out how they can co-opt it.
    • CommentAuthorsteevo
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009
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    @Brian -
    EDIT 40 however I will brighten the tone of those comments so the thread doesn't get eeled.

    You're right, I think we'll agree to be disagreeable on this, otherwise this is going to degenerate pretty badly and get this thread shitcanned.

    @looney - I think they'll probably try to trace the individual tweets/updates back to the source and fine the originator...which is going to involve trying to get Twitter or whatever other sites to give up information on it's users. I doubt they'll penalize the schools/teams for something that is nigh impossible to stop.
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    joe paterno (a man older than my grandparents) had quite the reaction to that, "i dunno what they do with the tweedle dee page or something. i dont know that stuff, why are you asking me?"
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      CommentAuthorAdmiral Neck
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009 edited
     (6619.25)
    You know, really... probably what's happening here is this: a bunch of players have started twittering in the past few months, it's been the subject of a bunch of news stories in the sports media, and now a bunch of college presidents who have no idea what twitter is are going "wait... people are doing what at games? can't we do something about that?" It'll all shake out after these stupid regs obviously fail and espn and cbs figure out how they can co-opt it.

    I'm sure you're right. The worry is that this will start an avalanche of similar addenda to copyright laws in other media. I'm sure it's unenforceable, but the worry is that this will lead to companies researching ways to make it enforceable. I just want the internet to remain as free as possible, as we all do.
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      CommentAuthorMark Seifert
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009 edited
     (6619.26)
    I'm sure you're right. The worry is that this will start an avalanche of similar addenda to copyright laws in other media. I'm sure it's unenforceable, but the worry is that this will lead to companies researching ways to make it enforceable. I just want the internet to remain as free as possible, as we all do.


    Access/Information control has a long history of acceptance in sports. Sales of sports packages are a major force behind satellite tv and radio, there's pay-per-view in boxing (and now mma I think?), and rivals and scout do very well with premium info/forum/article subscriptions online (espn used to also, not sure now).
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      CommentAuthorAdmiral Neck
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009 edited
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    Sales of sports packages are a major force behind satellite tv and radio, there's pay-per-view in boxing (and now mma I think?)

    Which was a nice thing NewsCorp brought over to England when Sky started outbidding terrestrial broadcasters for the rights to big sports events, and suing pubs that showed Sky football without paying an exorbitant fee to Sky Sports. As I said earlier, I'm not much of a fan of sports, and one of the main reasons is how our public service broadcaster, the BBC, is treated like shit by sports fans because it can't afford to pay big money for the rights to Premiership football. "Why should I pay the licence fee? No football on it." For heaven's sake, don't go blaming NewsCorp for pushing the prices so high that anyone trying to match those prices goes out of business (such as Setanta). They're totally not to blame for making UK football the godawful perfect storm of over-paid scumbags and season-ticket price hikes. [/rant]

    Anyway, Mr. Seifert, thank you for taking the time out to allay my fears about other media.
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    You know, the SEC has banned artificial noisemakers for years. Primarily aimed at Mississippi State, my alma mater and the cowbells fans bring; yet, every State game you go to you still her plenty of cowbells ringing. You aren't allowed to have alcohol at MSU games either (unless you sit in the Alumni club with the President where they have two full bars or on the special level where "independent contractors" supply beverages for ticket holders); but every game you go to you will find plenty of people drinking.

    I don't see SEC officials or stadium security stopping social media at a game. And really, if it wasn't for Twitter and Facebook updates, I wouldn't be able to keep up with a lot of State games since they are not usually broadcast.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2009
     (6619.29)
    Every sporting event has the disclaimer at the end that you can't tape the game "without the express written consent" of the League in question. I wonder how many people, I mean individuals, actually have written to Major League Baseball to request said consent.

    Just because I don't like sports doesn't mean other people can't. I like the play-offs of pretty much anything better than the regular season but if it's sports you be watching then I guess we're watching sports. I don't like cars either, other than to look at them and go "Nice car!" when I see a nice car. I know fuck-all about cars but I've had occasion to learn a bit and I can see why other people like them, even if I don't.

    I think it's mainly aimed at players twittering or something. How are they going to enforce the ban? Some kind of cell-phone jamming device? (Pleasesayajammingdevice, pleasesayajammingdevice.)
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2009
     (6619.30)
    @mister hex - It's actually one step further than jamming. They'll send out a microwave beam that cooks all the cellphones but leaves all the on-field equipment intact. Except for the QBs headset. Boy wouldn't that be funny?

    Anyway, I'm sure this is some sort of attempt to enforce the unenforceable dissemination clause. If they wanted to start somewhere, start with the sports bars, publicly playing broadcasts intended for "private" use.
    • CommentAuthorsteevo
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2009 edited
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    The official line for MLB follows, most (if not all) televised sports are very similar:

    This copyrighted telecast is presented by authority of the Office of the Commissioner of Baseball. It may not be reproduced or retransmitted in any form, and the accounts and descriptions of this game may not be disseminated without express written consent.


    However, this is about the telecast, not anyone actually there watching the game. I guess technically Tweeting about the game if you're watching in your living room is against the rules already, but not if you're at the stadium.

    Edited to add: Interesting (even though pretty old) article on how companies in general, and baseball in particular tend to overstate their copyrights.
    • CommentAuthorWakefield
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2009
     (6619.32)
    Let's say Lebron is there. Let's say some college kid dunks on him. You can't have that shit recorded. You want Nike to implode and take the world with it?