Whitechapel - FREAKANGELS Episode 0067

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Ariana — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:03:55 -0700

It's Friday, it's FREAKANGELS: in which, no, there's really not a drain in that little hole in the ground.

It's foggy enough here this morning it may as well be pouring down rain -- eeeeeverything's damp, even inside. That last may be because I left all the windows open. Again, I find myself contemplating the possibility of hot, mulled Red Bull. Probably not, though. How's everyone else?

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moali — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:07:33 -0700

bronchial malady but thats because Autumn has hit england, otherwise okee dokee.

red bull soup?

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hmobius — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:07:40 -0700

Well a friend is doing promo photos for the new issue of 'A Christmas Carol' today, there was the most massive full rainbow yesterday on the way home and there's currently not enough time in the world. Other than that, the world is good. And Freakangels this week has that simmering feeling that says something'll go BANG next week or the week after. Lovely.

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Kradlum — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:08:29 -0700

If Luke is so sure that one of them can change the weather, why is he up to his waist in water and blaming Kirk? Seems like he is cursing the dark rather than lighting a candle.

September brought wind, cold and rain to London, which I am cursing rather than finding my coat.

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Mark Seifert — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:09:30 -0700

And with this week's ep, there are now over 400 pages of FreakAngels online.

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twitch_ramirez — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:10:37 -0700

I am up way to early this morning. Coffee.

I so am enjoying the Angels right now. Rain is good.

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mister hex — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:11:48 -0700

Still summer in Canada. I get paid today.

Luke's right. Interesting he and Mark and Arkady used to kick around together.

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UrbanAngel — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:15:06 -0700

Bumsticks!

:o)

Congratulations on the 400 pages!

I loved the rainstorm and actually wished that I could be there in it. Not sure why. I think that spending 2 weeks in Southern Spain with no air conditioning did that to me.

Yes, why doesn't Luke change the weather rather than just complain about it, if he's so powerful?
I think that Kait has also played around with her package to see what else she can do, as shown by the last couple of pages. I wonder what kind of security system she has - a mental link to a video camera? Some kind of trap set up?

6 years ago they brought the flooding upon London and we still don't know how except that it was a mistake. Maybe they were experimenting or were high or drunk. Hmmm. I want to know more!

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fionchadd — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:25:09 -0700

If Luke is so sure that one of them can change the weather, why is he up to his waist in water and blaming Kirk? Seems like he is cursing the dark rather than lighting a candle.

Isn't that why he says he's so scared of Arcady though? Because she's the only one of them that's actually stretched her powers to find out what she can do? Remember when the others were so shocked that she could teleport?

My understanding was that Luke is saying it's possible, but that all of them - except Arcady (and Mark, we assume) - are wasting their powers by not trying things out

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Flabyo — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 04:25:16 -0700

Luke is trying to goad Kirk into trying to empty out the water. He knows he can do it himself, he just wants to see if Kirk is willing to let him drown or not.

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lead_pipe — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:57:50 -0700

Great episode. Here, spring has sprung, but the rain isn't coming. Apparently the return of El Nino has something to do with it.

Warren, are you a fan of Jeff Noon and have you read his Falling Out of Cars? I don't know why this week's episode made me think of that, apart from the common factor of a post-apocalyptic England.

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rickiep00h — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:01:35 -0700

You know, I was about to say that this volume has been a bit more art than words, and then Luke opens his fucking gob.

Every. Damn. Time.

Lovely art, as per usual, and I think Luke's just needling Kirk. If he's such hot shit, why won't he just bust on out? I think it's because Luke rather relishes being a prick. He's not just a prick, he enjoys being a prick. And here I used to think he was just misunderstood.

Awaiting the shitstorm, and hoping Luke gets what's coming. But, being an Ellis story, who knows what "what's coming" is?

Oh, and I'm having leftover Papa John's Cinnapie and Mountain Dew for breakfast. This is to cope with the general shitty feeling of being turned down for a job in the middle of the beginning of a house hunt (that makes sense, I swear) and trying to deal with a less-than-ideal financial situation. At least I've got some good, free comics to read, and my wife's been getting a ton of free shit from work. So, bad with the good, and all that.

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LBA — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:04:37 -0700

@lead_pipe - I love Jeff Noon's books, but it's nearly impossible to find them in the US, except for Vurt. I just got finished with Needle in the Groove and was wondering which one to go with next. I can only find it on Abe Books and even with the shipping it's still cheaper to buy from a UK dealer.

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viol8tor — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:04:57 -0700

Damn it Mr Ellis, you're killing me one week at a time and I love it. I just got the chills while Luke was talking about

Arkady. I can't wait for what happens next.

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viol8tor — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:07:47 -0700

Oh yea, Congratulations on the 400 pgs. I know I enjoyed everyone of them. Thank you

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WaxPoetic — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:13:46 -0700

and a wonderful 400 pages they have been.

The rain is just lovely and just when I start thinking about the story again and how the pacing is a character, I get distracted by angles and rain and glowy eyes.

And then Luke tries to get his own back with words. I know guys who use their voices like magic.

It is fall here. It is not supposed to be. We ate warm food last night. And will continue to do so.

Hope all are well.

Thanks, all!

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Datsun — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:16:10 -0700

Sheee--it, I've got a whole new month stretching out ahead of me, the possibility of some work that I might like to do and maybe getting even paid, and to top it off: fresh comics on Friday. Life ain't too bad at all.

Good on the Whitechapel crew for continuing to keep this place running and running well.

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stsparky — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:31:28 -0700

Chimps with sticks? I'd give him a beating.

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D- — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:45:20 -0700

hello, i just got up. I'm okay, thanks for asking.
i have a test today, so i will read the new episode and then i'll go into the wilderness of programming.

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johnjones — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:46:54 -0700

You know, I just realized that this is the first in this comic, which is set in London, that's it's actually rained. Apparently the Freakangels must've seriously messed up the weather for London to get that sort of reprieve from the wet...

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un — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 08:50:59 -0700

Bumsticks is my new word of the week. <3 Kait.

I wonder if Luke is too tied up in feeling superior to Kirk to use his power to escape? Or maybe he just enjoys the feeling of perforated legs..

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BOODOFFSTAGE — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:00:47 -0700

Story's building up quite nicely:)

I'm looking forward to a three day weekend.It's Labor Day this monday. I don't know how it is on everyone elses neck of the wood.

But we Yanks, celebrate work by not working.

Actually, now that I think of it, we celebrate most holidays by not working.

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Indigo Rose — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:11:13 -0700

I think it was indicated (or presumed on here) that Luke could bust himself out, or hurt Kirk, or any number of things, except that he's busy stopping bloodloss and trying to mend himself. I doubt he could alter the weather AND continue to stanch the flow of blood.

I particularly liked the feel of this installment, especially the dialogue-free lead-in. Loved the mood.

@ Paul - Your artwork continues to develope in wonderful ways. I was reading through from the beginning, again, and enjoyed watching you find the characters and explore the settings, creating a rich world for us. It's interesting to compare the beginning versions of the characters with how they look now, they've become much more solid, more real. I thoroughly enjoyed the lovely art you gave us today, thank you.

--On a side note, is it just my computer, or is the bottom of page 2 not filled in (colors glitching out to solid grey)?

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Paul Duffield — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:18:30 -0700

@Indigo Rose
:) Thanks for the compliments! I certainly feel like my work has changed a lot since beginning too. I've been trying to make my style more solid, so I'm glad it seems to have worked.
I think the page 2 thing is most likely a glitch on your end. There is a lot of grey in the palette, but it's all coloured exactly how I wanted it to be.

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Indigo Rose — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:22:00 -0700

You're most welcome.

Yeah, must be my computer. The bottom is a block of grey at the moment, no image at all. I'll have to be patient and try again.

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Savantis — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:26:20 -0700

Hmmm... My take on Luke goading Kirk to change the weather is that once Kirk gets provoked enough he'll attempt to change the weather..which means he's going to take his mind off Luke and Luke will have a better chance to escape.

I think Kirk might actually get provoked into that, he seems like the stony face type with lots of emotions broiling inside. ^_^

Or maybe I'm off on a wrong track here?

(Well, at least I get provoked just reading Luke's words.=P)

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diello — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:17:22 -0700

No one's been in or out of there for hours..... except maybe a FreakAngel who has been screening himself for all this time? We're never going to actually see Mark, are we?

Also, if they can change the weather, then Luke can unchain himself, probably... but I think he's concentrating on those bullet wounds right now. Keeping them from hurting.

I didn't know he and Mark used to hang out with Arkady. I actually thought it was him, Mark, and KK (and I still think KK slept with Luke) and I figured that if there would be another one to change their ways about, it would be KK next.

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Dee_Noir — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:23:13 -0700

Luke hinting that someone could change the weather seems to me like a pretty blatant gloat that someone is changing the weather. Especially due to the fact that he's mentioning Mark too. If the big M doesn't get introduced by the end of volume 3 (definitely in the last 6 pages) in some kind of wonderful cliffhanger, I'll be really surprised.

Freakangels Friday was pretty great for me, not only did I get the number of the cutest girl in a coffee shop (and free coffee), I also found a 50 year old antique copy of 'The Complete Stories and Poems of Edgar Alan Poe' in a second hand book shop. Black nail polish and gothic velvet blazers really work wonders on the fairer and oh so pliable sex. Totally makes up for my French girlfriend dumping my arse for being a chaud lapin.

Hope everyone is well, especially tireless Ariana, without whom there would be no Freaks :P

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Lani — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:34:22 -0700

Totally makes up for my French girlfriend dumping my arse for being a chaud lapin.

She dumped you because you're a hot rabbit? If that's slang, I have *no* clue what it means, and if it's not slang, well then, I'm even more confused.

Edit: *searchsearchsearch .... googlegoogle...* Ohhhhhh, ok.

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Gekko — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:39:38 -0700

I was hoping there would be more hints (oooo, let us focus on Arkady) and that action would be delayed a little bit more, I get what I wanted. Bumsticks, har har!
Yes Paul'art is thriving, that's another reason to buy the BP's because even sweeter than the scent of freshly printed ink, there's the evolution of lines and of the coloring. It's great to have the opportunity to watch how work can improve always more with intense and regular work.

Bonjour Ariana, don't drink too much Red Bull il really smells like sweaty feet.
The week has been busy and I'm not even a chaud lapin (I'm glad English speaking people know that expression, thus it won't get obsolete so soon)

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trini_naenae — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:35:59 -0700

I agree with the others who say that Luke is too busy dealing with the bullets to fuss with the weather. Though it did seem to be quite coincidental when the rain started. Part of me does agree with Luke - they should be trying to figure out what they can do, but part of me is wary, because that could go horribly wrong.

My week is fine. I work now and it wears me out thoroughly. I really want a computer because I'm getting too tired to go to the library after work. Some of the people at work are fun though. Aside from wanting a computer, I'd also like a social life. Stat. At least I did some shopping today. And apparently people in the 70s had impossibly small ribcages, because mine is small and I could not fit into those dresses.

Also, if some cute boys could show up and be very flirty, that would also be very cool.

*le sigh*

Also, Dee_Noir, sweet! May I have your luck.

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arvandor — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:49:19 -0700

You just know Luke's going to get out of this somehow. Crafty swine that he is, he gives me the chills.

I still love this comic.

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Prof Structure — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:47:15 -0700

Very nice rendition of rain - you don;t see that done so well in comics (although the clothes would be plastered, no?)
And that final panel .... fuuuuuuuuckkkk. Thats the equivalent of the end of chapter that makes you want to immediately go on to thje next one.
Just picked up son 'n heir from friends where he'd cut his gorgeous locks and emerged with the most outrageous mohawk. I mean, its almost a foot high!

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chris g — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:30:13 -0700

Hi, Ariana. Hope you are well and do not run out of red bull.
Very awesome episode this week. The rain effects are gorgeous.

How's everyone else?
Damn, it has been pretty much 100 degrees every-fucking-day this week. I can handle it but I'm sick of being soggy every day. Hmmph

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Berserker — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:05:17 -0700

It's an established fact that the Freakangels can scan for bio-signs/surface thoughts [ episode 36, page 3, out of Kait's own mouth ] but I'm tempted to say that what she's doing here is more like psychometry. Makes sense that Kait would be good at object reading like that. Also seems like an ability that would be generally similar to scanning for bio-signs and so on.

I'm still a little dumbfounded that Luke would let himself get shot: even if he was pretending to be unconscious it seems hard to believe he wouldn't see it coming. But that's my problem.
I do agree with the idea that he's possibly trying to get Kirk to drop his guard, but I get the idea he's leagues ahead of him already. I certainly don't believe those shackles mean anything, even with a bullet in each of his legs.

I can't shake the idea that Luke's in league with Mark. He certainly hasn't been given any reason not to be, that's damn sure.

I'm still wondering what exactly he did back when that turned him into such an outsider in the group...learning more about the time Arkady, Mark and he spent together in the past will be revealing, no doubt. I suspect we know who Arkady got the dope from, now.

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obliterati — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:45:31 -0700

Wasn't Mark shot and drowned too? But he's apparently not dead? Or was he just drowned? I can't remember.

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diello — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:49:04 -0700

You know, as horrible as he is, Luke is my favourite character, and I'm really glad he's not dead yet.

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mister hex — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:47:14 -0700

Liking Luke more and more and i hated him from the start. Always knew he was Mark's buddy, but Arkady, too?!

Makes sense.

Jack & Sirkka are ~~brother& sister & gross~~ too much INTO each other.

Caz and KK are too into talking about things and "wouldn't it be great?"

Miki's overwhelmed. Kait's the only thing that keeps her sane and that's frightening.

Kirk. Karl. Quick question - which one wears the foil hat? (And THEY killed Mark? Don't make me laugh. They can destroy the world, they can fake their own death?)

That's EIGHT. Luke, Mark (as yet unseen) AND ARKADY. (UnOficially, the favorite FreakAngel of everyone.)

*counting on appendages* (... Nine, Ten, Eleven ... )

Connor. The Scribe. Key to the story.

First one to meet Alice. Connections to all but to no one specifically. The one we know the least about (except the above AND - he used to be fat. A geek. A weakling.

(Know what geeks do, Luke? They PRACTICE SOMETHING. They're alone a lot so they stretch the package, as it were.)

Connor's important.

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mister hex — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:33:06 -0700

Anyone remember this?

Kait does. (Criminals are a cowardly & superstitious lot ... lucky for ME, HAHAHHAHAAHA!)

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Masterful Eyes — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:35:44 -0700

I'm so mean. I'm actually not all that impressed with this episode or the episodes behind this. It was good arc with Kait searching for a murder, but then it makes me wonder about a couple of things.
Like what are the other Freakangels talking or discussing about? What is going on other then what we know of Kait, Luke, and Kirk?

Though I also wonder who this murder is, and I wonder what Luke is planning himself, I find him a lot smarter then what we assume.

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johnjones — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:04:21 -0700

I can't shake the idea that Luke's in league with Mark. He certainly hasn't been given any reason not to be, that's damn sure.

Not true. Luke is apparently less than pleased about Mark's actions involving Alice when we first meet him. Also, Kirk remembered Luke's attitude when Mark enslaved all those people.

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Berserker — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:37:06 -0700

@johnjones - Except that since then he's been using a very similar ( if not identical ) practice as the one which got Mark into trouble, hasn't he? He's also promised to kill most of them at some point, and has been physically assaulted by most of them - even when he's tried to help.

I'm not entirely convinced that he's in league with Mark, no. But I'm not entirely convinced that he's not, either...

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Masterful Eyes — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:29:20 -0700

Maybe he's more influenced by Mark. I mean if Arkady and Mark were the only ones who have been able to push themselves out of the limits. Is it possible that Mark can watch everything the Angels do through another Angel? Such as Luke. I mean Luke seems like the most mentally weak, he's stressed, homeless, etc. He be perfect for someone like Mark to screw his thinking up and be able to control him in a way.

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Berserker — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:34:15 -0700

@Masterful Eyes - I'd considered that as a possibility, actually.

In the end though, he strikes me as too egotistical and cocksure to fall into that. Frustrated that his awesomeness isn't recognized? Sure. Worried that he needs a pair of pants? No. If he feels the need for something like that, he'll just fucking take it.

In fact, the more I think about it and reflect, the easier it is for me to believe him getting his face mashed/legs shot. He's so much into his own godhead he doesn't believe anyone would dare to strike out at him. ( For some reason suddenly, I'm picturing him as the anti-Jack... )

If anything, I'd bet he's hoping the conflict allows him the opportunity to make his own bid for dominance. I wouldn't even be surprised if his skill at doing the same thing Mark does is pivotal in the eventual ( if any ) defense of Whitechapel.

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Dee_Noir — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:54:08 -0700

I've got a really sly feeling that there's more going to between Luke and Arkady than meets the eye. Could it be possible that they have a history, pre-Kadys overdose, back when they had the most in common and were both genuinely interested in exploring 'the package'? I wouldn't be even remotely shocked to find out they were a couple once upon a time - it explains the antagonistic relationship between the two and why Kady remembers to keep an eye on him, when she's feeling particularly lucid. Also, have you noticed that people with metal defects in film/tv/comics are always portrayed as quirkly and lovable, like a damn Ellen Page protagonist. I'm just saying that is pisses me off whenever I seriously contemplate it. Madness and imbalance is always conveyed as 'sexy' and 'interesting' when really it is none of those things. Or as Kirk Lazarus says in Tropic Thunder, 'You don't go full retard'.

@ Gekko - Hot rabbit? I was like darling, wtf? Ah, how slang is so often lost in translation.
@ Trini - You don't need luck, just find someone attractive whos reading a thick dusty book on art history/ psychology/ the rime of the ancient mariner, and amble over and say 'Hey, hope you don't mind, I'm looking for something new to read, is that book any good?' How lonely, bored, and desperate for human companionship and external validation will determine their reaction. Sometimes they'll be really cold and dismissive, sometimes you can walk with a number and a date within two minutes. Just practice, practice, practice. Or go over and say 'Have you ever heard of Warren Ellis' and Paul Duffields comic book, Freakangels 'cos it's fucking awesome, look here's a copy I bought ages ago, I'd let you touch it but you haven't been to the mikveh yet.' Pure instant *win*

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johnjones — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:51:29 -0700

I've got a really sly feeling that there's more going to between Luke and Arkady than meets the eye. Could it be possible that they have a history, pre-Kadys overdose, back when they had the most in common and were both genuinely interested in exploring 'the package'? I wouldn't be even remotely shocked to find out they were a couple once upon a time - it explains the antagonistic relationship between the two and why Kady remembers to keep an eye on him, when she's feeling particularly lucid.

In the one flashback we've seen (the one where Arkady has hair), she comes off as angry, cold, arrogant and scary. She's pretty obviously taking Luke's "We have power. We should Do Something about these people hunting us" and putting it into a concrete, real-world form. I get the feeling that Luke's always been something of a gadfly and pariah, the chosen Devil's Advocate. Arkady, on the other hand, seemed more like a force, a leader. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that she and Mark were the "heads" of the 'angels back in the day.

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mister hex — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 07:58:42 -0700

@johnjones - ... which would go a bit to explaining their current directionless-ness. Sure, they all have jobs now but they're succeeding themselves to death. Grow, expand, develop or just wither and wallow and then finally run away again. They haven't done that. Taking in the refugees was one step in them Growing (The Fuck) Up. NOW what? Plus, the paranoia about Mark's guerilla tactics (WHICH NOT ALL OF THEM KNOW ABOUT. Or do they? Wasn't the (mortar-aborted) meeting in the FreakCave supposed to be about Mark, Alice, wtf? They're all linked but they can shield. Did they know about Luke's previous rape attempt (and 'Kady stopping it) or is this all going to come out at the trial? Will there be a trial? (Regardless, Kirk and Karl have doubts about Mark being dead. So does Kait.)

As an aside, is the 'K' sound part of the package? Mark, Luke, Miki, Jack, Sirkka (two 'k's), Arkady, Caz (no 'k'), Connor, (no 'k') Kait, Kirk, Karl, KK (nothing BUT 'k's). This means something, beyond simple nomenclature. (I could be wrong. And most likely am.) Does it matter where in your name the 'k' is? (My brother has a bizarre theory that if you have an 'R' in your name, the law doesn't apply to you. Jokingly, like. It's how he got away with appalling driving in front of his kids. Long story.)

It's more than simple nomenclature, in my opinion.

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Dee_Noir — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:24:59 -0700

@ johnjones - Can you link to that flashback please? I actually can't even remember it, appalling I know.

@ mister hex - I think the letter K isn't so important as the hard 'K' sounds, like 'Catherine' or 'Calisto'. They could both have been FAs. This came up about 30 episodes ago when I rattled Warrens chain by implying he was ripping off Gaiman (Destiny, Death, Dream, Destruction, Desire, Despair, and Delirium). I'd have to disagree with you though - I don't think the K sound has any special importance, it's just a little writers flourish like giving them all purple eyes.

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diello — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:30:07 -0700

@Dee
here's the flashback

@Mister Hex
I don't think that they're so directionless right now. Before, when Mark was still with them, and Arkady was all hairy, they were being hunted. Their goal was to not die. Not be captured or killed. And now, they're not being hunted anymore, so now, they can stop concentrating on not dying, and start living. You have to build from the bottom up. Get people. Teach them that the FAs run the show. Give people a little security. Build your society. And deal with shit as it comes along.

I don't think you can say they're directionless right now, because we've only seen a couple days of their lives.

Also, they've got chickens now, which is a step away from succeeding to death ;)

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laurahulett — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 12:02:14 -0700

shame on the others for not contemplating or testing the extent of their powers, in that sense i agree with luke. everyone should think about the possibilities for their powers and especially what they are capable of.

however, experimenting with their powers to what end? to control everything, from weather to people? no thank you.

the more i read freakangels, the more i enjoy how the characters are so realistic in their thinking and their moral range. that they aren't superheros, they are people like you and me in situations that demand they act bigger than what they are.

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mister hex — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:09:24 -0700

@ diello - how could I forget about the chikkenz? From them, you get eggs. And also delicious chicken.

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Lani — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:04:54 -0700

Somehow I don't remember that flashback at all...I think I might have somehow skipped it, though no idea how. At any rate, I don't think Arkady comes off as arrogant or cold; she's not agreeing with Luke. But, she is acknowledging the strength of their power. But I don't think she thinks or works like Luke does at all.

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Angelcleo — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:54:17 -0700

Hmmm trying to dip into the discussion (since there are 3.5 days to wait until the next episode).

@Mister Hex- I noticed the K- theme too. I don't know if there is a reason or not (as a writer, I'm all about names, personally, I pick a lot of D's. Perhaps there was a lot of K's on the mind at the time.) Arkady, Sirkka and KK's name are ones I've never heard of (naturally, KK's), but all interesting nonetheless.

The Chikkens..lol...I was in Chick-fla-a today (they have the best chicken sandwiches..btw) thinking about their "Eat mor Chikin" motto (that's how it spelled too) and how cool it would be to have a "No Chikkenz shirt.

Luke...I know he's not really a favorite, but I'm not counting him out and I don't think he will be offed no time soon. I kinda wonder how he managed to be friends with them at all, he seems barely tolerated. The other FreakAngels seem to have a system with each other, a job, a purpose. Luke's purpose seems to be, being gutter trash, they don't think about him until they have to think about him. I wouldn't particularly care how everyone felt about anything if I was treated like crap by everyone who came by (not saying that he doesn't deserve the treatment he gets, but it had to start somewhere). He looks good enough to talk his way into some panties (mines at least), it's a pity he chose to make someone do what he could have asked (unless he finds that demeaning of his power).

I just have theories because I don't really understand Luke, but I'm willing to follow his rabbit hole to see where it goes. He interests me and he's useful in his own ways (I agree that they could have been living better and doing better, that doesn't excuse his actions, but I understand that). I believe that Mark is useful also as a known unknown lurking out there. I don't think Mark is part of the current arc other than Luke possibly feeling a little resentful of Mark's ousting. I don't want to judge Mark because we have yet to see him, despite the charges against him. Maybe Mark is just a jerk. Luke? I'm sure there is more than that to him.

_Said flashback... Arkady did seem cold and clinical about the whole affair, but I don't know if she was agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, more like speculating about the power they have and what they could do with it.

Bumsticks is a funny little word (unheard of where I come from). I can't help but to love Kait, though I pity Phil and them when she finds them.

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lead_pipe — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:24:52 -0700

@LBA (wrt Jeff Noon)

I have read most of his books and can recommend pretty much all that I've read. I would recommend Pixel Juice, just because it doesn't require much (if any) prior knowledge of the Vurt mythos, and because Noon handles the short story format very well. Sadly my copy was appropriated by an ex.

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Nicodemus_Cain — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:29:56 -0700

Congrats on the 400 pages. This week's FA has been a lovely way to re-enter the internet after being at Dragon*Con all weekend.

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texture — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:53:06 -0700

I love how these threads are just getting more and more wildly speculative as we pass the 400 page mark. Not often prone to such analysis myself, but it's fun to read you all's theories. Personally, this week was another tension-building art explosion for me. Paul, your panel layouts are absolutely awe-inspiring lately. You're hitting every beat. And yes, definitely more solidity in the later work. Plus the colouring is just absolutely gorgeous. I could look at this week's p5 all day, just for the pale shimmer of Kait's special Super Detective Eye.

Let it rain!

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mister hex — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:17:20 -0700

@ texture - the speculation's been flying thick and fast for a while now. It's part of the fun, being wrong. ANALYSIS is what I value about these threads. Johnjones, among others. It's like talking about Coronation Street with other fans. (I once had a pleasant chat with a man in the bank about Coronation Street. The teller asked me who my weekend was and I said "Man! Danny Baldwin died!" and the guy at the next teller went "Did you SEE that? Ohmygod!" and we had a five-minute discussion about it. )

But yes, analysis. As it becomes more and more popular (BEST WEBCOMIC is a needed category at the HARVEY'S & EISNER'S & all other such awards, if it isn't already. FA gets my vote.), and more people come tripping through this site, it's up to us to helpfully point them in the right direction, decorum-wise and such-like.

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texture — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:28:32 -0700

Oh, dont get me wrong, I love the analysis! It's a sure sign that the work is well-loved. I lap it up, I just don't tend to think like that myself very often... but please, everybody, keep speculating!!

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Berserker — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:48:36 -0700

It's interesting, really, how much speculation this story invites.

I still think this is the best told story Warren has written yet. A big fat onion of a story, with layers between layers between layers all slowly being peeled back, at times revealing and at other times obscuring the overall whole of the thing. There's so much we know, and the more we discover the more we find we still have yet left to discover.
And the characters are such fully developed and realized personalities, and continue to grow and change and surprise us in truly organic and believable ways. We've been shocked and delighted and roused and let down by them. The more we get to know them the more we find there is to learn about them, and the more we want to learn about them.

And that's what keeps us all guessing, and more importantly, coming back week after week. It invites speculation even as it defies it.

For all the guessing, we have no idea what's going to come next, and that's just as it should be. That's the mark of a superior piece of fiction.

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razrangel — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:05:23 -0700

Yay I've caught up! With the darkness and advancing water the tension is really getting amped up. I'm so glad Kait is fearless about her job. I'll hang back and be scared for her. I'm nervous about Luke. Nervous that he's playing for time, is working a gambit that will get him free and hurt or kill another 'Angel. Then again he's maintained the role of a dumb troll, powerful but not creative. Still.

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obliterati — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:38:56 -0700

Mark is sending human missiles into Whitechapel, he can turn a person like Alice into a gun-wielding vigilante, he can slip weapons undetected to the new folks, everyone's worried about him poking around out there, taking advantage of the tiny brain humans.

Luke knows how to get executed by the rest of the Freakangels. Arkady gave him explicit instructions on how to get the death penalty by abusing his abilities, and yet we are to believe he was engaging in this exact inexcusable behavior in broad daylight a few hours later, a few rooms over from the cop, while asking for privacy during the act.

Who, if anybody, would send Luke a romantic afternoon with a human drone? If it can happen in Vegas it can happen in sci-fi, right?

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johnjones — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:54:15 -0700

Mark is sending human missiles into Whitechapel, he can turn a person like Alice into a gun-wielding vigilante, he can slip weapons undetected to the new folks, everyone's worried about him poking around out there, taking advantage of the tiny brain humans.

Well, to be fair, I don't think "gun-wielding vigilante" is really that far outside Alice's normal character.

Luke knows how to get executed by the rest of the Freakangels. Arkady gave him explicit instructions on how to get the death penalty by abusing his abilities, and yet we are to believe he was engaging in this exact inexcusable behavior in broad daylight a few hours later, a few rooms over from the cop, while asking for privacy during the act.

Who, if anybody, would send Luke a romantic afternoon with a human drone? If it can happen in Vegas it can happen in sci-fi, right?

Let's not jump too quickly on the the idea of Mark being an omniscient super-villain. Luke is perfectly capable is being a self-destructive fuck-up of his own free will.

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mister hex — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:49:34 -0700

The other Freakangels don't know Kirk's been torturing Luke. (Or do they?) And now it's raining, they're not gonna want to go outside and check on him. (Arkady can teleport but the others can't[? yet? ever?].)

Then again, he trangressed the Unwritten Law, so ...

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obliterati — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:05:10 -0700

Let's not jump too quickly on the the idea of Mark being an omniscient super-villain.

It doesn't have to be Mark sending out drone room service right? if that's what happened I mean. There are others who could do it like any of the unseen FA's or even Arkady who might regret having rescued Luke way back at the beginning, and who is known to monkeywrench on her own. I've always wondered what her statement "it's getting worse" really meant in light of her playing independently with future events. You can make stuff a lot worse by playing with future events, maybe she was trying to fix what she broke in her own way. I dunno.

I like how there was a hurricane heading toward Scotland in real life when the warning went out in Whitechapel that a storm was coming in. How did that turn out I wonder?