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    I imagine if one of them died, the rest of them would feel it. Maybe that's why they're about the banishment instead of the killing. Then again, they're English, and English haven't executed their criminals for a while, right? It might be abhorrent to these kids' psyches on a cultural level to consider a death sentence.


    Then again, they have no problem killing off invaders if they think it's necessary to escalate. And at least some of them were willing to kill one of their own...

    In a way, it's too bad. I was hoping for Luke to turn from Worm into Hero. Then again, it might end up that he's the only one of the Freakangels alive by the end of the story.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2009 edited
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    In a way, it's too bad. I was hoping for Luke to turn from Worm into Hero. Then again, it might end up that he's the only one of the Freakangels alive by the end of the story.


    As has been mentioned many, many times already, the story is still far from over. Don't jump to conclusions. Give Warren and Paul (and Ariana) a chance to tell the tale in their own good time. Really, the wait'll be worth it.
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      CommentAuthorAriana
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2009
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    Give Warren and Paul (and Ariana) a chase to tell the tale in their own good time.
    Ohononono. I've got nothing to do with the telling of the tale. I want none of that blame. I'm just the one that sets the table on Friday mornings so we can all sit down with our coffee and talk about it.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeSep 13th 2009
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    @ Ariana

    Well, in any case, I thank you, because without you we'd have no utensils and would be left to gnaw at our monitors and keyboards in frustration and sadness.
    • CommentAuthorleob
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2009
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    Given the powers they have, would it not be possible for the group to alter Luke's mind or even strip him of his abilities - perhaps turn him into a human-normal person? That would be more than sufficient punishment in itself.

    Couple of other questions - where does the all the food come from? - you have several hundred people living there, they can't all be living off a few fish, some salvage and one roof-garden. Either there's large-scale farming in Whitechapel or some substantial trading going on.

    Another question - why are there so many female mechanics and engineers in webcomics, and so few in the real world? Following on from that, why are most of the male characters here relatively useless?
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeSep 14th 2009
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    Given the powers they have, would it not be possible for the group to alter Luke's mind or even strip him of his abilities - perhaps turn him into a human-normal person? That would be more than sufficient punishment in itself.


    Sure it'd be possible. They could also gouge out his eyes, scalp him and leave him as hideously disfigured - a walking "angelfreak" that they could look at all the time to remind them of what they did to him.

    There's a difference between could and would. The smart, sane thing would be to simply kill him. Lingering "warning" punishments are as a general rule worse than useless.
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      CommentAuthorFoley
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2009 edited
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    Luke's not worth keeping around, even as a reminder. We haven't seen him come to use a single time yet. If anything, he's just a pain in the ass. Even powerless, who would want that poison pill around just so he can throw a wrench in the gears when they're up against a major crisis, at just the right moment?

    He's more useful dead in that ditch.

    As far as the fight goes, Luke doesn't seem to have much of an advantage, it seems. Not how I see it. Kirk has demonstrated before that he has more hands-on experience in a fight. All we've ever seen Luke do is run his mouth about how he's an all-powerful member of a master race, when the only scope of his ability so far has been tampering with the minds of people he wants to fuck.

    Then there's the fact that Luke's been shot in both legs, while Kirk only has one gunshot wound. The only way Luke could get the upper hand is if he's indeed as powerful as he says he is mentally, or if he does something insidious to get an advantage (which, with his history and the recent thumb-in-the-wound, is obviously not outside his modus operandi). Or if he manages to get his hands on the gun first. Even then, it's a coin toss, because the gang has shown the ability to deflect bullets.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2009
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    @leob - re : food. First episode(s), they have bread. Which means some kind of wheat somewhere. We don't know the population of Whitechapel, only that it's grown by a hundred recently. The Mudlarks and other gangs have at least sufficient numbers to send raising parties and sneak thieves. (The FA's left one alive to swim back and tell the others not to fuck with the Freakangels.)

    And whoever said the English are squeamish about Capital Punishment, that's a very recent development, as a cursory glance at English history will tell you. Not looking to start a debate, just sayin', is all.

    ... Is it next Friday yet? (I also get paid on Friday and am very much looking forward to that.)
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      CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2009
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    No, I think our pal Kirk is in real trouble. And, to be fair, it's his own damn fault several times over. He shot Luke because he felt like shooting him. Twice. Who wouldn't respond to that exactly as Luke did? He wasn't paying attention to who he was guarding, either. Of all people, he should have known better.

    Luke did get shot twice, but they were fairly straight in shots, and he had time to take out at least one round, and probably did the other too. So he's already on the Freak-mend. Kirk only just got shot, and his wound looks to be length-wise with the leg, and intramuscular. That's a horribly nasty wound, just fucking awful. And a thumb just got crammed up in it.

    At this point, I think it's going to come down whether Kirk can or will 'call' for help. It's become a question of will Kirk be too proud/ashamed to ask for it? He did shoot Luke for no reason other than spite - in Luke's own words: "...a shooting offense...". There's no way he'll be able to lie about that. How will they react to that?
    And how will they react to Jack being implicit in that?

    In fact, the moment Kirk pulled the trigger on Luke, the dynamic of the entire group changed - and I'm not sure that wasn't part of Luke's plan from the start.
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      CommentAuthorphorgan1
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2009
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    Thanks everyone, after reading this all week, and going back to the episode several times, I think I get it all. I was never so confused. I didn't get that the safety was taken off and the gun went off in his pocket. I didn't get the whole thumb in the wound thing, and even reading it and looking at it over and over, I only think I get it. You guys really helped.
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2009
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    I think Kirk will call for help, and maybe Arkady will help him. But that means she isn't helping Kait. Someone isn't coming out of this alive...
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      CommentAuthorFoley
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2009
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    @Berserker

    Given Kirk's way of seeing Luke and similar offenders (as well as anyone else who is a shitbag, really) I can't say I blame him for taking a couple of potshots. We know Luke's offenses, so I won't bother to recount them. But when you do what Luke did, it's not just revoking your Freakangels membership. You stop being human when you pull those stunts. And with the way that he was only too ready to kill Alice and Janine, it's clear that his malice wasn't stopping any time soon. Besides that point, it's hard to sympathize with someone who regularly mutters threats under his breath to people who are supposedly his allies. It's easy to get the ideology: he thinks he's King Shit, and everyone with powers less than his deserves to live a life of slavery. In other words, he's Mark Lite. If I were Kirk, I wouldn't stand for it either. That's why I'm pulling for him. And it's true that Kirk's wound is nothing to sneeze at, but at the same time, he still has one good leg. It'll take Luke some time to recover from his, cursory injuries or not.

    As far as the shooting offense, Mark's beyond talking, as he responds to former allies by chiding their views with sarcasm and belligerence. It makes sense that it would take a bullet or two to get his attention. It's hard to knock a moron off the tracks he clings to when it's a moron on a mission. He seems to have a misplaced holier-than-thou attitude even towards people who try to help him, and with the crimes under his belt, I'd call him deserving of what he got. There's no contesting that the group would get taken aback at the fact that Kirk and Jack acted on their own, but when the logic behind their actions is examined, it's hard to deny.

    (Even if the shooting wasn't called for, the scenes that led up to it, specifically 0062? Fucking magnificent, and I'm glad things happened the way they happened, because I think that's one of the greatest suspenses I've seen so far. The way the last page was drawn, the way leading events and the event itself was written... superb.)

    As far as Kait goes... ...something tells me she'll be fine by herself.
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    I know we have the new episode, but I wanted to comment on the Kirk shooting Luke debate... he may have felt the emotions you mention, but it seemed to me that the idea was to keep Luke's "Freak-powers" occupied fixing the wounds so he couldn't turn Kirk inside out... that's good logic, just plain smart.