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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:13:18 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Which did you prefer? ]]>
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			<![CDATA[ Only one will drink your milkshake. Only one will drink it up. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:27:36 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Yeah, I'm going to say <em >There Will Be Blood</em>.  I loved both of them, but I think Daniel Planeview was a more interesting character and the film had more to say (even if only slightly) than <em >No Country For Old Men</em>.<br /><br />Both are fantastic films, though. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:37:52 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ I"m putting my vote in for No country for Old Men, nice gritty old school cohen brothers a la blood simple.  Loved it. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:58:10 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Shawn is correct.<br /><br /><br />(Haven't actually seen "No Country For Old Men", but I understand that no-one's milkshake gets drunk in that film.) ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:06:28 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>harchangel</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I haven't seen either yet thanks to the cultural bubble that is the winterland of Northern Michigan.<br /><br />Dying to see both. maybe while i'm out in Denver next week. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:12:12 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ There Will Be Old Men. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:22:15 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>ChrisSick</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I'm holding my breath for The Coen Brothers to direct an adaptation of McCarthy's 'Blood Meridian or The Evening Redness in The West' staring Daniel Day Lewis as The Judge.<br /><br />That'll beat this thread hands down.<br /><br />Holding breath starting...<br /><br />now. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:26:59 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ No Country. I have seen the film three times, and while there are flaws it is hands down the best American film this year. The scene where Llewelyn tells Chigurh he's going to make him his &quot;personal project&quot; is by itself better than There will be Blood. As for There will be Blood, PT Anderson shot his director ass off and deserves Best Director. Day-Lewis needs to retire again, I cannot watch him perform in a scene anymore. I get too caught up in wondering how he can do what he does so well and I lose the storyline. Little things like Plainview's cadence and stride that never stray are tiny acting miracles. But the story was not that strong, could not be saved by these things. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:51:51 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>orwellseyes</author>
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			<![CDATA[ There Will Be Blood. <br /><br />Because there is milkshake drinking. <br /><br />Which can be explored at <a href="http://idrinkyourmilkshake.com/" >idrinkyourmilkshake.com</a><br /><br /><br />Yes, that site is real. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:03:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Steven Thomas</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Just saw There Will Be Blood.<br /><br />...wow...<br /><br />The milkshake was delicious.<br /><br />It's probably impossible to be objective if i had to choose between the two for Best Film.  I'm a big Cormac/Coen fan.  In an attempt to do so (and probably still fail), i found No Country For Old Men is still my choice.  <br />Blood's unfolding story felt unsurprising and predictable to me despite being a very beautiful and striking film via the directing, acting, and cinematogrophy.  <br />On the other hand, No Country rightfully refuses to just hand over any outcomes or resolutions to meet the expectations of the audience.  For me, a story that split the audience 3 ways (silent pondering, applause, vocal aggravation) wins over the rise and fall of an oil baron.<br /><br /><em >"If the rule you followed brought you to this, what good is the rule?"</em> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:18:57 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>miccas75</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Spot on, Steven. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:47:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>steveburnett</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Saw both, loved both, close call, I'll go with my favorite of the pair being _No Country For Old Men_ but I think a reasonable person could easily hold the opposite view. I think it's the Coen Brothers' best film, excellent performances, overall brilliant. _No Country_ caused a fellow in the row behind me on opening night, after the last line and the fade to black of the credits, loudly say "Worst. Ending. Ever." That, I don't think is rational, and so I hold him up here for ridicule. <br /><br />I also thought _There Will Be Blood_ was amazing in many ways, from the striking imagery of the cinematography to Day-Lewis's performance (and, I want to add, Paul Dano's performance simply for being opposite Day-Lewis on screen and not looking incompetent by contrast - I mean nothing rude to Dano in that, I was impressed by his performance), and the sardonic nature of _There Will Be Blood_ being surprisingly literal in the promise of the film's title. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:56:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Aberrant_Press</author>
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			<![CDATA[ No preference. Great is great and these great films are both great.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Great. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:01:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Jack_Crow</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Spain.<br /><br />None of both have been relased yet.<br /><br />Hooray!<br /><br />:S ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:20:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Jonathan Hickman</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I saw There will be blood last night.<br /><br />Shot absolutely beautiful. Day-Lewis is amazing. Completely disappointing film.<br /><br />I go to see No country tomorrow. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:25:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Sarpedon</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >Spain.<br />None of both have been relased yet.<br />Hooray!</blockquote><br /><br />That is the most depressing thing I've read in a while.  I'm sorry Jack. At least the weather is nice? I hear the weather is nice there.<br /><br />I think No Country was overall a stronger film. There were parts when There Will Be Blood was better but they were fewer and far between.  No Country I think sustained it's greatness throughout the whole film where as There Will Be Blood spent the film wavering from good to great. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:13:56 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>helloMuller</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I've only seen No Country... and loved it. Bardem was a force in that movie...<br />Milkshake sounds good too though. But based on my one present one-sided opinion I go with No County... . ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:35:16 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>madmatt213</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <em >No Country</em>, hands down, simply because <em >There Will Be Blood </em>was not a perfect film, whereas <em >No Country for Old Men </em>was perfect.<br /><br />I'd also like to point out that Daniel Day-Lewis had a year to prepare for his role, whereas Paul Dano had four days to prepare for the role of Eli Sunday, and personally for me, Dano held his own and even surpassed Day-Lewis. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:55:54 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>tedcroland</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I wouldn't say that he surpassed, but all things considered he did do an absolutely fantastic job.  To have any level of presence on screen with Day-Lewis on there, you have to have some serious chops. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:51:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>sacredchao</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I just watched <em >There Will be Blood</em>...up until the part right after HW gets married, at which point the projector bulb blew up. Fuck. I'm downloading it so I can see the ending. Not something I'd normally do, but I consider this a special circumstance. I'll let you know after that, but right now I'm leaning towards <em >No Country</em>. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:11:15 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>MaC</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I have to go with No Country for Old Men.  Tommy Lee and Bardem were just really fierce. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:02:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Eli Green</author>
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			<![CDATA[ There Will Be Blood was excellent, what with the bastardly doings and the slow descent into monsterdom and what not, but No Country was about something more, about the crushing influence of the outside world upon American mythology, about withering ideology in the shadow of cold reality, and is probably the only adaptation of a book that I absolutely adored that I would say truly does the book justice and, in fact, sheds new light on the meaning of the book afterwards.<br /><br />I loved There Will Be Blood, but No Country For Old Men meant something to me. It felt personal, and I can watch it over and over again without getting bored of it or without it saying something to me. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:05:07 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @ shawnclark:<br /><br />High five through the internets! ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:06:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>ChrisSick</author>
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			<![CDATA[ It amazes me how some days the gods smile a bit and the best lines wind up in the mouthes of the best actors.  Daniel Day Lewis has been in so many scenes and said so many lines that just have an incredible force.  They're not emotionally moving, but they can knock someone down.  He has a rare ability to make a line as ridiculous as 'I drink your milkshake' into a potent and terrifying threat.  <br /><br />I'd hope for more of him in the world, but then how would we know how fantastic he is? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:20:40 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>davechisholm</author>
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			<![CDATA[ why not both??<br /><br />ps. plainview was the evil and smart version of ron burgundy. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:10:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Cyman</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I think No Country drank the fuck out of my milkshake. Not that I was fucking a milkshake, but seriously: Javier Bardem drinks all of our milkshakes. He DRINKS THEM UP! Also, I think Tommy Lee Jones gave his best performnce in years, though I haven't seen that Paul Haggis movie he's nominated for. <br />As much as I loved There Will Be Blood, I agree that the story wasn't as good as No Country. I hate that Plainview doesn't age at all between 1898 and 1927, but I also hate when they put makeup on the actors to try to make them look old (A Beautiful Mind sucked fat balls anyway). PTA definitely deserves best director (remember that shot of the flaming oil geyser? There are multiple shots of it, but you'll remember the shot I'm talking about), and Daniel Day-Lewis acts it perfectly. Brilliant, brilliant movie.<br />I think of both of these movies more as horror movies than anything else. I really like the There Will Be Blood parrallels one sick evil fuck with another one (Dano is arguably more evil that Plainview scriptwise), but I think it's more powerful when the sick evil fuck is parralleled by a totally real, totally benevolent human being like Sherriff Bell. I really have to severely nitpick and get really snobby to find anything negative to say about either film. I really love how long all the shots are in There Will Be Blood; it feels like theater, the energy is just never killed and Daniel Day Lewis brings a fucking lot of it into the scenes. I love There Will Be Blood more than I liked No Country, but I think it's true to say that No Country For Old Men is actually a better movie. Though Day-Lewis' character is more fun to watch than Christopher Walken in Romance and Cigarrettes; and possibly the most fun to watch character ever made. And he's in almost ever scene. I love it all.<br /><br />EDIT: I had never seriously threatened a complete stranger with death before seeing There Will Be Blood, something No Country failed to inspire me to do. So nevermind. Give Paul Thomas Anderson all the awards. His movie is better. He provides insight and humanity into what sanity/ evil is, whereas No Country's evil bastards are just greedy. PTA's characters all have more depth, though Tommy Lee Jones comes close. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:06:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>goodwillsidis</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I don't understand why anyone liked There Will Be Blood.  Scene after scene all to the exact same purpose: show us that Plainview is a dick who pushes everyone away!  There wasn't a single scene in that movie that didn't exist to say, &quot;Hey you know that guy Plainview!  He's a dick and he pushes everyone away!&quot; <br /><br />Seriously-- we don't learn anything else about Plainview except that he's a dick and he pushes people away.  And the milkshakes/Yosemite Sam voice part is kinda funny or whatever, but it's an awfully small piece of cheese to put at the end of such long, long, dark bunch of scenes of a guy being a dick and pushing everyone away.<br /><br />ps: the soundtrack nibbled some great nads as well dinnit? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:20:48 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>johnkeogh</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Both were very well done, but I felt that There Will Be Blood was the better film.<br /><br />@ ChrisSick---way back up top:<br />The character is certainly within the reach of Daniel Day-Lewis' talent, but when I imagine casting Judge Holden... only Jesse Ventura seems appropriate. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:25:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Cyman</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Okay... well, goodwillsidis, here we go:<br />If you want to know why anyone liked this brilliant movie, you could read some of the other entries in his thread? I think the case for the film is pretty clearly stated.<br />Personally, I relate to the character in that he does all this stuff "to make enough money so he doesn't hav to be around people". He doesn't like people, so why should he give a shit if they think he's a dick? He only cares about himself; he cares about his brother it would seem, but that turns out to be all lies (probably another reason he hates people). I like that he seems human the whole time because we can understand his reasoning for absolutely everything he does. The man does exactly what he wants all the time with no regard for anyone but himself, and in the end, he's still not happy. Maybe he gets some joy from tearing other people down? We see him happy a few times after doing that, but for the most part the guy is miserable, but he never does anything illogical (arguably killing Eli was a little irrational, but at that point I think Plainview's realized nothing he does makes any difference to anything, especially since he himself is close to dying of old age anyway). That's why I love this movie. An insight into the logic of extreme insanity proving that logic and money are not things that pave the road to happiness. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:26:32 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ It's a trite moral, that. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:20:51 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Finally saw No Country last night. Jesus, what a movie.<br /><br />There will be blood was a piece of shit compared to this. Fucking amazing. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:54:44 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @Jonathan Hickman<br /><br />Hear, hear! Best review for <em >No Country </em>I've read so far. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:00:26 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ <em >Seriously-- we don't learn anything else about Plainview except that he's a dick and he pushes people away. </em><br /><br />You missed the whole middle of the film?  You missed that it's a film -- or perhaps a study -- about being cheated?<br /><br />I still haven't seen NO COUNTRY, but I'm poring over THERE WILL BE BLOOD, particularly the last half, time and time again.  That someone actually summoned the balls to make a modernist film in 2008 warms me. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:04:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>oldhat</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Hopefully I'll be seeing There Will Be Blood some time this weekend.  My boyfriend owes me a movie. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:25:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Egon</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I'll be going on a solo mission to see Blood this weekend. <br /><br />I'll try and sneak in a milkshake. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:35:56 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Steven Thomas</author>
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			<![CDATA[ THERE WILL BE BLOOD is definitely a study of cheating..manipulation...deception.  And maybe those 3 are really just the same thing or different things relying upon the others for success perhaps?<br /><br />I suppose i'm referring to the following:  the schemes of manipulation, large and small...of Daniel Plainview and Eli Sunday and all of the others.  Looking back i probably find those layers of woven and unravelling relationships to be the most interesting aspects of the film.<br /><br />However...all of those relationships are among men.  A Detail i noticed was the near void of female characters of any notable plot presence beyond Sunday's daughter.<br />And one other exception...a whispered-to-self remark in the dark and dirt at the beginning.<br /><br /><em >"There she is.....there she is....."</em> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:46:38 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ If you wanna make a film to show me that greed and selfishness don't make one happy, you gotta use real people, not hand puppets... not even Daniel Day Lewis hand puppets with the yosemite cadence and kung-fu stride.<br /><br />At the end of BLOOD, my friend E-Hem turned to me all like, &quot;For a writer to put his own intellectual musings, which he might sell for a low price as essays, into the mouths of artificially constructed characters which are more remunerative when issued as people in a novel is good economics, perhaps, but does not make literature.&quot;  And I was like, &quot;Well, switch out essays and novle with blog and movie, and yeah, word is bond, ern.&quot; ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:48:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Cyman</author>
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			<![CDATA[ OctEgon: It would be an interesting experiment to leave a milkshake undisturbed in the theater during the film just to see if it gets drunk (drank? drunken? fuckin'...).<br />goodwill... I guess you're allowed not to like it. I guess people are allowed to be shallow. But I think you should try allowing it some depth rather than asking, "So, he's a dick and pushes everyone away?" after every scene. There's more to him. I'm actually starting to think of him more as Iago from Othello (It's by Shakespeare... Ahem. William Shakespeare? You know of him?). ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:52:46 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Allan</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I enjoyed There Will Be Blood more. I can see how people might like No Country for Old Men more, but I don't understand how anyone could disparage either movie to the point of calling it shit even in comparison to the other. TWBB was more theatrical while NCOM took a more subtle route, and I think both thematic choices were perfectly valid and served their respective films well. But I just had more fun watching TWBB. Daniel Day Lewis was amazing, the cinematography was beautiful, and the ending was some of the best pitch black humor ever conceived of. It was strange to be laughing my ass off at the end of such a dark movie, but it worked wonderfully. <br /><br />It worked in many ways that NCOM's ending did not. Yes, I'm one of those people who didn't like the ending to NCOM. Or at least I wasn't wild about it. All the tension was just drained out of the movie, like a balloon with a pinhole leak in it. I didn't want to stop caring about the movie, but I kind of did. Which is a shame because the first two acts produced some great pulse pounding tension and thrills. Javier Bardem definitely deserves the Best Supporting Actor Oscar. The film making itself was also very good, but after the initial scenes in the desert it wasn't quite as beautiful as TWBB. It wasn't supposed to be, but still beauty trumps subtlety for me in this case.<br /><br />As for the "meanings" of the two films, I think they both address different and meaningful themes. Neither film can be said to be devoid of meaning. However pushing forward their messages isn't the primary role they take on. NCOM is a thriller and TWBB is a character piece. That's just what they are, that's where they really excel. And I don't think it's fair to say that the themes discussed in either film objectively have more or less value relative to each other.<br /><br />@Hickman: I'm going to give your oh so wrong opinion a pass just this one time since you wrote Pax Romana, a piece of media that I would say is perhaps as great as the two films discussed here. But just this one time, don't break my heart again.<br /><br />PS - While it may not be of the shaken variety, this is some drinking of milk in No Country for Old Men. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:23:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Dracko</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I think Hickman was mostly being hyperbolic and doesn't actually believe that <em >There Will be Blood</em> was a waste of his hard earned $$$ and time.<br /><br />I haven't seen it, but if it's simply an examination of the nature of greed, well, <em >No Country for Old Men</em> dealt with a hell of a lot more. Not that I'll enter <em >There Will be Blood</em> with any preconceptions once I get to see it. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:56:41 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Cyman</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Haha, Allan's right. The milk drinking in No Country is comparable in greatness to TWBB. <br />SPOILERS!<div id="hide" >I was chatting with my Shakespeare class about new media trying to humanize evil (NCOM, TWBB, Margot At The Wedding) and we decided that the NCOM has (Aside from Ed Tom Bell) mostly flat characters. Josh Brolin is evil because his actions are all governed by greed, and Chiguhr is evil because he has no regard for human life. Hence the coins: He doesn't even care if they live or die, you decide heads or tails. Means nothing too him, but there's something about it he enjoys. Anyway, Plainview is a different story altogether. It's unclear what governs his evil (much like Iago), but there's certainly more to him than greed or apathy. A case could be made for wrath, I'd say... never sloth, or envy, maybe gluttony... but certainly the character has extreme depth and as a villain, that makes him more evil than anyone in NCOM.</div> ]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:08:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>davechisholm</author>
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			<![CDATA[ who all has read the book of "no country for old men"? i haven't read "oil!" but i will say that "no country..." is one of the best book adaptations i have ever seen. seriously, what a perfect pairing...the book reads like a coen brothers movie. <br />there IS a conversation in the book that i really missed in the movie, though...maybe it didn't need to be in there, but...<br />(i don't know how to do the "SPOILER" hide thing, so don't read ahead if you haven't seen the movie...in fact, if you haven't seen one of these two movies, why are you even reading this topic??? what is your problem??? go see the movies.)<br />SPOILER:<br />when chigurh kills norma jean in the movie, all we hear him say is something roughly like, 'i got here the same way this coin did.' while this may be enough to get his personal philosophy across, and the dramatic move to eliminate the actual violence from this scene was an inspired choice (cutting to chigurh leaving the house), the conversation the two of them have in the book after the aforementioned line is pretty incredible...if you haven't read it, i highly recommend it. chigurh doesn't seem as randomly crazy in the book as he does in the movie--even though he was amazing in the movie because of bardem's performance, his character is more fleshed out in the book. <br /><br />seriously, though...these two movies + children of men are the best movies in at least a decade, in my opinion... ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:40:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Cyman</author>
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			<![CDATA[ You need to see the German film from 2006 "Lives Of Others", but I'll agree they're three great movies. You can probably tell I haven't read the book based on my incorrect spelling of Chigurh's name. That would probably explain my limited insight into his apparent lack of humanity. SPOILER: Even when she's completely sweet and innocent, he cares more about getting blood on his boots. I don't know if that counts as a spoiler or not, but seriously Warren leave your computer right now and go watch this movie. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:54:24 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @Cyman: If it's so gd obvs, just out and tell me about what makes Plainview more than just a dick who pushes everyone away... which scene in that movie established something else about the guy?  One of the parts where he pushed his son away?  The parts where he was a dick to that preacher?  The part where he murders his fake brother?  Alls I see is a Yosemite Sam boogeyman for ppl who just realized greed is ruining the USA like 1 year ago.  new jack libs.  hur hur on that shakespeare quip, too, homey.  I'm on a first name basis with Papa but I don't know Shakespeare, sure.<br /><br />@Allan: &lt;em&gt;some of the best pitch black humor ever conceived of&lt;/em&gt;?  <br />y0 for real?  some the best EVER?  have you met Chris Morris yet? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:52:29 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Ohhh what a simple one - THERE WILL BE BLOOD. Duh :) ]]>
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			<![CDATA[ <em > If it's so gd obvs, just out and tell me about what makes Plainview more than just a dick who pushes everyone away... </em><br /><br />The one that occurs to me -- and there are several -- is that hideous extended moment where<br /><br /><div id="hide" >he realises his "brother" is a fake.  You can see the bottom drop out of Plainview's stomach, see his heart break, see him almost lose it.</div><br /><br />It was hard to miss, I thought. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:22:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<author>Steven Thomas</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >The one that occurs to me...</blockquote><br /><br />Bingo.  That's the one that stood out the most to me.<br />That and the mud-wrestle with the preacher which was initially hilarious and then edging towards unnerving when you realize just how on the verge Plainview is at times. ]]>
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			<![CDATA[ goodwill I think the point has been made if you're willing to see it. No sense arguing about it. ]]>
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		<author>Cyman</author>
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			<![CDATA[ DO NOT READ AHEAD IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN NO COUNTRY<br />I think what makes No Country comparable to TWBB is that it shows how we're to deal with evil. Tommy Lee Jones has some really interesting things to say about his character in an interview in my paper that I can't find online (Feb. 5th issue of "Star Watch"). Basically he says <div id="hide" >his character is feeling overwhelmed by this new breed of evil and he goes to his uncle who tells him that feeling overwhelmed is vanity, that evil doesn't change, and that you do not live in the center of the universe. No matter how overwhelmed you feel, it's still not about you. It's the same old deal. Tommy Lee Jones read the book, and says it's very important that people see this movie or read the book or something. Here, I'll type out his quote about the final scene. Seriously this is extreme spoilers, don't read ahead if you haven't seen the movie (for your sake).<br />Tommy Lee Jones: "Like all considerations of Cormac, the questions are more important than the answers. The question that arises there [in the final scene] is that wonderful dream of riding ahead and reuniting with your father in the warm fireplace in the cold, in the dark hostile country. And if it is a dream, does the dream have any efficacy at all? If you wake up from a dream, have you woken up from reality? So these get to be pretty sophisticated questions and I really appreciate the Coen Brothers' careful reading of Cormac's moral thinking. Finally we're left with really good questions which are better than simple answers."<br />It's pretty weighty topic for discussion, but I just have to say I think TWBB's two main characters are more evil than Chigurh or Brolin's character (who I read more like Camus's "The Outsider" than as a manifestation of evil or greed), but what makes No Country For Old Men so great is that third character that just doesn't exist in TWBB. He represents justice and morality in the face of horrible, horrible evil, and how can we as just, moral beings exist in a place where there is just seemingly no place for Justice or Morality? Hence the title.</div> I've changed my mind again. I think No Country For Old Men is the best movie of the year for sure. Final answer. Unless someone can point out how morality is represented in There Will Be Blood? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:16:24 -0800</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Bored now.<br /><br />Also: this is how I drink your milkshake. ]]>
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