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      CommentAuthorFauxhammer
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    @oddcult Good point, and that's important to remember. I think a lot of people still feel burned by the "gorilla suit in a fridge" gag, though; I know I am. It would just suck if the saliva samples came back, and the orang pendek turned out to be Old Man Carruthers, owner of the Haunted Amusement Park.
    • CommentAuthorlooneynerd
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    I need a body, whether it be a living specimen or a corpse. DNA is good, but it's led us astray many times in cryptozoology (look up 21st century research on the Yeti, for instance). I'm not saying i 100% skeptical, but I won't be fully convinced without a specimen.
    • CommentAuthorPooka
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    I saw a video a while back about some folks capturing a baby freakmonkey in a trap...I wish I could find the video. dammit...but here's one in german ;p




    anyway, they captured this small monkey like creature in a bear trap, which had funky transparent skin. They tested it and found it was a new species of monkey, that supposedly lived in the caves in mexico....
    I believe perhaps this might be the freaky goatsucker....all those other "sightings" look like mangy foxes or coyotes.

    As for the "blue cat"...whatever it's origin species...god damn that was a big pointy sharpy bitey godamn black monstercat. I've seen mountain lions, and that thing was a hell of alot bigger than any mountain lion I've see.
    and as for the grey snake...I'm even more terrified if it was a giant thirty foot copper head. I'm hoping for the black snake....

    someone mentioned being terrified of cryptids and such....I used to have more fears about the unknown, then my ex girlfriend moved in and I started seeing all sorts of weird things. Our brownie was the most active. Soon after the woodsy form sighting my husband saw, I had a less exciting but still kinda weird sighting.
    I was taking my ex to class one morning, and we had been discussing the previous fey sighting, as I sat down in the car, my ex said "wow, there she is", I looked up and this two or three inch glowing yellow ball floated slowly through my open door. it sailed by about a foot from my face and then turned and zipped to the back seat of the car where it disapeared. My ex, who as i mentioned before, has funky brain waves and can see and sense things most people don't see, said she could see the brownie sitting in the back seat.
    "oookkkayy...well....hmmm"...was my reply. So I was thinking ball lightning or hallucinations or something...so I take my ex to school, and get back home, and as I open my door, the yellow ball appears again, and zips past my face, out the door, and then straight through the window of my laundry room. That was what freaked me out about the whole thing, seeing it twice...
    other than that, we had a room mate that swore up and down that he was molested in the night by a strange thin female figure who he thought was me. phantom feathers rained down on my kids once while they were brushign their teeth, and i've seen way more quick movements out of the corner of my eye that for some reason my cats were chasing than I can call coincidence or insane cat behavior.

    oh dear...I always sound like such a nut job, and maybe I am, but I'm not one for making shit up, as for my friends who tell me some of these tales, I can't vouche for, but I do know that my ex takes this sort of thing deadly serious, and my husband doesn't know how to lie to me.
    I've got alot of other stories, but I can only type for so long before my fingers start screaming at me.
    Oh, regaurding faeries or auditory hallucinations and the like. I did have one creepy experience I'll go ahead and relate....
    My family own a chunk of land in the deep dark parts of eastern kentucky, close to the west virginian boarder, that been passed down through the generations since George Washington was president. I'm pretty sure that the land was granted to a Duke Burgess who left england for the America, back in the day when that was te thing to do to piss off the other royalty....anyway...these woods haven't really been disturbed in around fifty years or so, and before that they were pig and cow pastures. The nearest neighbor is about three or four miles away on either side.
    So one day I was sitting on our pond's dock, just enjoying nature, waiting for my husband to come up the hill to join me.
    As I was sitting here I started hearing this odd singing, like a choir, fading in and out rather oddly. it sounded like a bunch of female voices, not singing words, but just a long drawn out "AHHHHHHhhhhHHHHhhhh", with different voices fading in and out. I stood up and peered out into the woods on the other side of the pond (in which direction there is nothing but woods for miles). Oddly, it sounded like it was coming from our ancient ass rabbit warren at the far side of the pond. I was compelled to seek out the sound, it was really strange, and fairly loud, but just as I started into the woods, my husband tromped up the hill and the singing just cut off, instantly, without an echo or a fade, just gone. It was so very strange. odder still was that when I was a kid, I heard the same singing once before in a completely different situation, with a couple ofgirls with me who also heard it, but we were in the middle of town for that one.
    I asked a few "experts" on the matter at scarefest and one of them called the angels, one said the faeries were trying to take me, and one said I was picking up radiowaves...
    anyway, gonna stop now...i'll tell more tales later...
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    Wow. The weirdest thing I ever saw growing up in central Kentucky was a long-red-fox-tailed squirrel that looked as big as a cat. My mom saw a large grey wolf one evening cutting across her backyard (Bernheim Forest is nearby). Everyone said she saw a coyote, but she grew up on a farm in the hills. She knows well enough what a coyote looks like versus a dog. This was neither.

    Supposedly, my grandfather/her father saw a will-o-wisp/ghost/something. Instead of staying a distance away from him, it shot straight at him (at first he thought it was a truck with a broken headlight or a motorcycle/bike) then stopped, hovered silently, and shot off and into the woods.

    He told my mom about it that night and never spoke of it again...but...like myself and my mother, he also had migraines. Died from a brain hemorrhage in his 30's. Who knows what strange visual flares or synapses might've been misfiring that night.

    I had never heard the tale of a giant grey snake in Eastern Kentucky.
    That sounds awesome and yes it does make me think of the black snakes me and dad would kill.
    As my dad would tell it, they were "as big around as your arm."
    Tall-tales to be shared with other old farmers in the area which i imagine most of these things are...folktales/legends grown up from tall-tales based on a slight measure of possible fact or overactive imagination. I say that and yet I love reading about cryptozoology reports at the same time. :)

    Nonetheless, in the summers, rattlesnakes were often killed crossing the road (Route 245).
    Back then, it was a 2-lane road...still is for about half of it.
    The biggest rattlesnake hit was around 7 feet/2 meters long.
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      CommentAuthorInternaut
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009 edited
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    Speaking of Cryptozoology, this reminded me of a conversation we had at work a few weeks ago about the confirmation of the Maori Legend about Man Eating Birds- "They had the ability to not only strike with their talons but to close the talons and put them through quite solid objects such as a pelvis. It was designed as a killing machine."

    Pith helmet indeed.
    • CommentAuthorPooka
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    @Steven Idon't doubt she saw a wolf, Hazard is full of them. I've never seen wolves myself though...
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      CommentAuthorJess
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    The part of cryptozoology that annoys me if almost the exact opposite - the tendency for a lot of investigators to ignore or dismiss other paranormal activity which is associated with sightings of cryptids. This is especially prevalent in the Bigfoot-chasers.

    No doubt there are yet-to-be-found-by-Science beasties out there, and I do understand a need to delineate between them and the weird-shit, but if the weird shit is part of the observation...


    Cat, example please? Because in my mind, there's a huge difference between "paranormal" and a weird phenomenon that has the potential to be rationally explained. Are you annoyed that they're dismissing the possibility that it could be paranormal (in that it defies the laws of science)? Because typically they're doing so because of Occam's Razor. BUT if you know of a paranormal occurrence and would like it verified to be paranormal, the James Randi foundation will test it for you and you could win a million dollars.

    Or you might just want to read through the JREF site, because they're very good at demonstrating why the paranormal label is silly.

    Everyone's being a bit harsh on this report, I think.

    Okay, so they haven't got a picture, film or an Orang Pendek corpse. But what they have got is corroborative evidence to support claims of a sighting.


    Odd, trust me, I could be harsher. And what they have (until their DNA evidence is analyzed and demonstrates otherwise) is a sighting of a CREATURE in the woods. All they've done is assign a name to a creature they didn't see particularly well. They have offered no evidence that this is an Orang Pendek and not a Sun Bear. Read their post again. What, except willingness to believe that this creature is an Orang Pendek makes it an Orang Pendek? Why are you so willing to believe that it is?

    And even if they report that they've analyzed the evidence and it's an unknown primate, I'm going to wait for an independent institution to corroborate their findings.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    @Jess

    First, with regards to the JREF, they're closing down the challenge and I think may already have done so, and for a while they've even had rules about it only being open to people with a media profile, as they had so many spurious claims.

    The woman with Piss-Powers was probably the best of the spurious claims...

    Knowing a bit about Mister Vincent, however, I'm sure he's well aware of the Randi challenge and will be along in a while to clarify the rest of what he's suggesting.

    Anyway, with regards to :
    What, except willingness to believe that this creature is an Orang Pendek makes it an Orang Pendek? Why are you so willing to believe that it is?


    Well... okay, at the moment, what I'm calling an 'Orang Pendek' is more the phenomenon itself than the actual animal. In this case, a Sun Bear might have been an 'Orang Pendek', even though it was still a Sun Bear.

    'Orang Pendek' might mean 'misidentified Sun Bear or other well-known forest creature', or 'trick of the light', or whatever, but as far as sticking a label on the sighting report actually goes, it's an 'Orang Pendek'.

    Does that make sense?

    I *do* think it's the cryptid that's the most likely candidate for a new species, because of the quality of the various reports, as well as the already existing DNA evidence, and I actually would put money on it being found and documented properly soon, but I'm not a 'true believer', by any means.

    But yeah - I completely agree about peer review and independent corroboration. I just hope that doesn't take the form of someone shooting one.
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      CommentAuthorJess
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    First, with regards to the JREF, they're closing down the challenge and I think may already have done so, and for a while they've even had rules about it only being open to people with a media profile, as they had so many spurious claims.

    The JREF challenge is still open -- Jeff Wagg was actually blogging about applicants needing to be corroborated by a member of the media and academic community the other day. They essentially want people to engage in testing themselves before they apply. Many of the applicants have never bothered to determine whether their so-called power is paranormal, or whether it is coincidence. So yes, this prevents the JREF from wasting their time, but it also prevents the applicants from embarrassing themselves.

    Does that make sense?

    Yes and no. I'm fine with acknowledging the possibility that it might be an unknown species (though I'm betting on a Sun Bear, personally) because they haven't seen enough to really assume one way or another. Nor, to my knowledge, have they analyzed the samples they brought back. For all intents and purposes, this is an unidentified creature. But in being an unidentified creature, it is also not an "Orang Pendek."
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    Oddcult, would you be using the term 'Orange Pendek' in a similar way to how the term 'Higgs Bosun' is used? A 'known unknown' if I've understood correctly?
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      CommentAuthorJess
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009 edited
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    @curb -- There's a big difference here. The acknowledgment that something (be it an unknown primate fitting the description of an Orang Pendek or not) might exist does not mean that it is reasonable to call a particular sighting by that name. And if someone claimed to have found a Higgs Bosum particle, I'm certain scientists would want proof that such a thing exists. They wouldn't accept that a Higgs Bosum is proven to exist based on a crazy story about how someone met one in a bar one night.

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    Let's say I see something in the woods. I don't see it very clearly, but it has a big scaly tail. Dinosaurs once existed -- could it be that there's a dinosaur in this woods that people are unaware of? Perhaps it is a new species of reptile. It moved like a reptile, after all. But all I saw is clearly is the tail, so I can't be sure. I decide to take some pictures of its footprints and I describe the tail as long and scaly, with little ridges on the top. Aren't there dinosaurs with ridges on the top of their tails?

    Is it a dinosaur? Is it a new species? Or is it just a snapping turtle? What do I call this?

    I say it's a Jessicasaurus in the end. It might exist, after all. I find out that many other people have seen weird reptiles in the woods. They're not sure what they've seen either, but they're all sure that they've seen something.

    Oh, you're not willing to buy Jessicasaurus? Would you buy a previously unknown reptile because it seems less ridiculous? Let's go with that then. Would you mind if I still referred to it as a Jessicasaurus? I mean, you never know. It could be one.

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    I think it would have made more sense for me to say "I saw something in the woods and I wasn't sure what it was, but it had X characteristics." Let's say there is a primate out there that we don't know about. It's completely possible. If you call every damn weird thing you see an Orang Pendek without evidence as to why it is an Orang Pendek, the description of the Orang Pendek becomes more fanciful and it becomes harder to compare any specimens against the descriptions of this creature. And it just gets people's hopes up OVER NOTHING.

    And if you want to buy ME a Pith Helmet, I'll be hunting for the Jessicasaurus next weekend. :)
    • CommentAuthorlooneynerd
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    @Steven Tomas

    There are water moccasin(s?) at Kincaid and Cumberland Lakes that are four or five feet long easy. I once saw a black one at Kincaid that was longer than I am tall that took three large guys with axes to kill (they weren't just being mean. It was in a campground near children and no game wardens or park rangers were forthcoming). I've seen wolves near central kentucky as well, again while hunting as a kid. there have even been a few sightings of them as far north as I am. I guess that's what you get for living in a state with more nature than city...
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      CommentAuthorJess
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2009
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    Here you go guys. They claim that they will have pictures later today. But I'm not sure what kind of pictures we're talking about: http://cfzsumatra09.blogspot.com/2009/09/they-are-back.html
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    @looneynerd

    Ah, the Cottonmouth! We had a large pond on our land growing up and i saw the occasional skinny water snake but thankfully, nothing like a water moccasin. The wolf thing...it's just something rare or unheard of in that particular area but then i wasn't in to hunting. Mostly i was in to horseback riding, fishing, and farming. And certain measures of trouble.

    But that's veering off topic so, anyways...
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      CommentAuthorJess
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2009 edited
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    Here are the first round of pictures. Looks like they had a nice vacation, anyway.
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    hahahahahahaha
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    @ Warren:
    Yep, that pretty much sums it up!
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      CommentAuthorJess
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2009
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    Oh, I don't know what the two of you are talking about. That coconut is totally convincing. There were tooth marks and everything! I hope they show us more coconuts tomorrow. If I could just find a coconut around here I could prove that the Jessicasaurus also eats coconuts. In fact, I'm beginning to think that they're the same creature.

    My kingdom for a coconut...

    (I'm assuming I'm one of the guttersnipes they're referring to. :))
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2009
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    They definitely could have done with the pith helmets. And some sunblock.
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      CommentAuthorJess
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2009 edited
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