Whitechapel - Cryptozoology

Whitechapel - Cryptozoology Thu, 23 May 2013 22:21:43 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190607#Comment_190607 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190607#Comment_190607 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:53:45 -0700 Oddcult
Oh, fuck it, it'll be all over the web soon anyway, if it's true: Apparently the CFZ has got the Orang Pendek. Which probably means pictures and DNA samples.

Watch this space. I'll post firm news as I find it. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190608#Comment_190608 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190608#Comment_190608 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:04:02 -0700 Jess Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190609#Comment_190609 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190609#Comment_190609 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:07:07 -0700 RenThing Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190611#Comment_190611 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190611#Comment_190611 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:21:00 -0700 Oddcult this is also the site that published about the bigfoot carcass last year..

They reported on it objectively. They also reported when it was revealed as a hoax.

This is actually from one of their expeditions.

As for the above comment about 'taking cryptozoology seriously' - it isn't all monsters and living dinosaurs. There seem to have been a whole load of new animals discovered recently. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190615#Comment_190615 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190615#Comment_190615 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:37:01 -0700 Jess As for the above comment about 'taking cryptozoology seriously' - it isn't all monsters and living dinosaurs. There seem to have been a whole load of new animals discovered recently.

Amazingly, in the same post that you're responding to I state that I believe that there are creatures out there that humans haven't discovered. Thus I am completely unsurprised by the link you provided. Don't worry, I believe in the legitimacy of zoology as a scientific field. I just am skeptical of cryptozoology. :) ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190616#Comment_190616 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190616#Comment_190616 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:47:03 -0700 Oddcult
As far as crytozoology and discovering 'mythical' animals goes, my money's on three of them: first, the Orang Pendek, which was really always one of the best shots, then; the giant fish in Lake Iliamna in Alaska and really, really big snakes in the Amazon.

I'd give Mokele-Mbembe an outside shot - although more likely as an aquatic rhino rather than a dinosaur- but I'm not holding out much hope for Nessie or Bigfoot. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190619#Comment_190619 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190619#Comment_190619 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:23:56 -0700 Jess Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190622#Comment_190622 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190622#Comment_190622 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:28:52 -0700 256

SUMATRA EXPEDITION: There is news from Sumatra - we just can't tell you what it is until tomorrow

I do not have hope. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190662#Comment_190662 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190662#Comment_190662 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:53:40 -0700 Oddcult
The expedition saw an Orang Pendek, possibly filmed it or took pictures (this may be the surprise they're holding onto, as these pics would be worth an utter fortune in terms of licensing rights), and got hair samples and also samples of plants it has been eating - which may mean DNA from saliva in addition to the hair samples. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190663#Comment_190663 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190663#Comment_190663 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:10:20 -0700 curb Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190684#Comment_190684 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190684#Comment_190684 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:10:52 -0700 Fauxhammer Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190687#Comment_190687 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190687#Comment_190687 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:36:33 -0700 Pooka We'd already seen all the typical infestation signs, things disapearing and reapearing, little balls of light or sparkles in the air. My ex girlfriend (why does she keep coming up in my posts) has a weird brain condition called, ironically E.L.F. (extremely low frequency brain waves), so she sees and senses alot of things we don't. She claimed we had a faerie running around our house, which she thought followed her from her grandparents in Hazard KY (see my post in the Freakangels thread). So one night my hubs got up to go to the restroom at about three in the morning. As he was walking down the hall he looked up and saw this diminutive figure standing in the livingroom, frozen, like a deet caught in headlights. She was about three feet tall with a thin body, rough barklike skin, huge dark eyes and spikey branch like hair. The stared at each other for a moment, then he said "I can see you..." After that he said thought he saw something move off to the side and glanced away for an instant, and when he looked back she was gone. Another instance occured a few months later, when my ex said she saw her sitting in the living room, looking at, of all things, a faery art book we had left sitting out.
I know it all sounds crazy, but I'm just repeating what my family has told me.
Another local cryptid is the giant grey snake that apparently lives in the hollows of Mt. Sterling Ky. My husband's aunt saw it and related her story to my hubs. He looked into it afterwards and found out that his aunt wasn't the first person to see it, and that there was even a news article or two from back in the fourties and fifties about sightings of a great grey serpent.
His aunt was walking one day, and saw a big hole in the earth, like the side of tunnel had caved in, going through the tunnel was a foot and a half thick section of dull dark grey scaled body, sliding past her view. It, naturally scared the shit out of her and she ran. I'd imagine it might be an ancient black snake. I believe their coloration gets lighter as they get bigger, and I'm pretty sure they are the biggest snakes in KY. My mom's boyfriend claimed an eight foot long black snake used to sun itself across his driveway, and every evening when he came home he would have to stop his car, get out, and drag it to the side. He said he didn't complain much, and just kept coming back. Everyone's grandparents around here can tell you about how amphibians and reptiles used to be gigantic compared to what you find around here now. Reptiles usually grow until they die, so I guess most critters here die before they get that old really. Maybe the Mt. Sterling grey snake is just lucky as hell. heh

Personally, besides hearing faery singing and seeing a few balls of light, ghosts, and a few other spooky things, I've seen a local "cryptid" that I feel is rediculous to be considered a cryptid.
My hubs and I saw an appalachian Blue Cat, or a very motherfucking big black panther. Kentucky has wild cats, little stocky, bob tailed cats that sometimes mate with your housecats to create big ass, sometimes bob tailed or ear tufted big ass tabby cats. We also have mountain lions but they are pretty rare, and aren't really that big....but there's reports of black panthers here and the native americans have legends about them. They aren't supposed to exist here (they aren't supposed to be in ireland and scotland either but I'm pretty sure they are), but my husband and I were driving home on day on a backroad (the main entrance was under construction and we had been going around the long way for a couple weeks at that point). Amazingly, on a hill above the road, by a junked out car of all things was a giant black panther, just sitting, crouched, overlooking the road. I slowed the car, and pointed him out to my husband. I wish I had had a camera at the time...sigh...
He was alot bigger than other black panthers I've seen as zoos and whatnot. He had to be about the size of a tiger. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190702#Comment_190702 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190702#Comment_190702 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:08:45 -0700 Fauxhammer Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190706#Comment_190706 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190706#Comment_190706 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:40:38 -0700 stsparky
Of course they could be channeling old Jonny Quest episodes ... ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190709#Comment_190709 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190709#Comment_190709 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:50:10 -0700 looneynerd
The panther could have been a very large Cougar with very dark fur. I was down at Big Bone Lick (real place) state park a few years ago and thought I'd seen a panther; I asked a park ranger and that's what she told me. Apparently they're pretty common in different parts of the state. I imagine the grey snakes could be copperheads suffering from Albinoism. I just looked into it, and it turns out that that variety of snakes, when suffering from the disorder, tend to keep several darker spots making them appear grey.

I've spent a ton of time in the backwoods in Kentucky and Tennessee. The closest I've ever come to seeing anything was on a hunting trip as a boy in the mountains just south of the Kentucky border. I'd split from the group to round a ridge, hoping to drive an elk in front of my dad's group, as I'd been told. about halfway around the ridge, at the farthest point from my family, I saw what I could have sworn was a bigfoot. It was at least six feet tall, standing on two legs like a man. It appeared to be nude, but had large spots of hair around it's neck, legs, etc. As soon as I spotted it (and it caught my scent, I'd reckon) it let out a horrible noise. I blindly fired a shot from my old rifle and bolted. For the next year I'd sworn that I'd seen bigfoot. I refused to go into the woods even with a group, wouldn't go outside at night, anything. The next year I was visiting family in the same area, and learned that a large black bear with mange (or something similar, it was a long time ago) had been killed by the fish and game department after rumors abound that it was rabid. My uncle, a warden, took me to see the body before they disposed of it, and sure enough it was what I'd seen. Ever since then I've been deeply skeptical of cryptids, or tried to be anyway. A huge portion of my dad's family are Cherokee, and many of the stories they've got freak me right the fuck out. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190710#Comment_190710 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190710#Comment_190710 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:51:53 -0700 warrenellis Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190714#Comment_190714 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190714#Comment_190714 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:27:53 -0700 Jess http://cfzsumatra09.blogspot.com/2009/09/expedition-success.html.

There are no pictures, of course. They claim to have hair and saliva samples, but (unsurprisingly) it's nothing that can be immediately verified. Why they waited 24 hours to confirm what another site already announced is beyond me. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190716#Comment_190716 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190716#Comment_190716 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:49:56 -0700 Fauxhammer Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190719#Comment_190719 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190719#Comment_190719 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:29:10 -0700 curb

We found and photographed very clear footprints in a different area but could not cast them as we couldn't get hold of any plaster of Paris... Dampness screwed the moving camera's battery. It was virtually dead within 48 hours of us reaching Gunung Tuju. We took lots of photos. Dave's moving camera was drained by humidity too.

The plaster of paris excuse sounds pretty flimsy to me - isn't that the exact sort of thing a professional monster hunting team should have on them? I know nothing of how humidity affects cameras, but again, isn't that the kind of setback the team should have been well prepared for? There's plenty of footage filmed in jungles and other humid places - were the team so unprepared as to not even plan for this?

I'd really like this to be true, but it doesn't sound like a lot of scientific rigour went into the operation.

As to the black panther sightings Pooka described, Britain has a fair amount of those, too, including the fabled beast of bodmin moor. Probably 'just' animals set loose from private collections after changes in the law rather than new species, but interesting nonetheless. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190721#Comment_190721 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190721#Comment_190721 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:47:28 -0700 warrenellis I know nothing of how humidity affects cameras, but again, isn't that the kind of setback the team should have been well prepared for?

It said the cam batteries were dead, not that the shots had been lost. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190722#Comment_190722 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190722#Comment_190722 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:54:58 -0700 Oddcult
If anyone's going to properly document possibly the last great ape, they should be mad British explorers, dammit.

I propose that everyone donate to the CFZ, for a second expedition, to head off as soon as possible, with some proper equipment - which means decent mechanical film cameras, or proper waterproof ones - and Pith Helmets.

The people who find the last great ape should be wearing Pith Helmets.

I say we get the Internets together to buy them Pith Helmets, and if there's any left over, they could fund an expedition with the change.

Link to the CFZ's paypal donation page here.

http://forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2009/09/changes-in-cfz-policy-regarding-wild.html

Well, it's not the 'donate' page as such, but the link's there.

I'm good for £20. Come on people - buy a Pith Helmet for a monster hunter!

If anyone writes one of these blog type things - you know, BoingBoing, Slashdot things like that, please post this appeal. Your generosity in correctly garbing explorers of the unknown will be much appreciated, I'm sure. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190723#Comment_190723 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190723#Comment_190723 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:05:25 -0700 Jess It said the cam batteries were dead, not that the shots had been lost.

Warren, I don't think that detracts from his observation that they perhaps should have been aware that humidity would affect the camera. Or maybe they should have brought spare batteries. This is, after all, the third expedition CFZ claims to have funded.

Unless I've misread something, they only indicated that they have pictures of footprints and film footage of a cat. They may have "lots of photos," but I imagine if they had even a blurry shot of this creature, they'd have updated that said picture is at least coming soon. But I'll wait and see what they follow up with.

You know, I don't think these people went out there and hallucinated up a creature. But why are they so sure it's an "Orang Pendek," and not, say, a Sun Bear, based on the little bit that they did see? ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190724#Comment_190724 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190724#Comment_190724 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:09:36 -0700 curb
And yes, any expedition to find this beast should be lead by explorers in pith helmets, preferably with eccentric mustaches where gender allows. I'll see how things are shaping up after payday. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190727#Comment_190727 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190727#Comment_190727 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:32:14 -0700 warrenellis I imagine if they had even a blurry shot of this creature, they'd have updated that said picture is at least coming soon

I took that as implied.

I don't expect anything to come of this at all, but I'm willing to give them enough rope to hang themselves with.

I do, however, agree that they should have pith helmets. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190728#Comment_190728 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190728#Comment_190728 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:36:11 -0700 Audley Strange Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190731#Comment_190731 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190731#Comment_190731 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:46:14 -0700 curb Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190770#Comment_190770 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190770#Comment_190770 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:51:29 -0700 Fauxhammer Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190782#Comment_190782 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190782#Comment_190782 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:22:49 -0700 johnjones Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190855#Comment_190855 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190855#Comment_190855 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 04:13:32 -0700 warrenellis Shit, I'd wear a pith helmet to work.

So would I.

AND I WORK FROM HOME. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190874#Comment_190874 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190874#Comment_190874 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:09:23 -0700 Fauxhammer
I think it's up to the cryptozoological community to come out and tell people that it's a scientific endeavor, and not THE SEARCH FOR A NESSIE.

Don't forget, orangutans were cryptids (from the Western point of view) until fairly recently. If there are unknown animals out there, let's find them, and debunk the bullshit at the same time. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190881#Comment_190881 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190881#Comment_190881 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:36:50 -0700 Jess
This thread vaguely reminded me of a dilemma in the early modern world concerning accounts of creatures and plants explorers were finding overseas. When specimens could not be produced for analysis, sometimes all scientists had to go on were the descriptions and accounts of amazing creatures and specimens -- sometimes faithful, sometimes mistaken, sometimes downright fictional. They were finding amazing things like opossums -- who would have believed such a thing as its pouch could have existed? And thus they entertained the existence of a race of people without heads, mermaids, and so on because they had seen all these wonderful and true things in their lifetime. But the existence of wonderful things does not mean that all wonderful things exist.

Those fanged frogs Oddcult showed me were great. And if you want to go hunting for unknown primates, sounds good to me. Just don't be silly about it, OK? :)

(And for the heck of it, here's an article from Skeptoid on the Orang Pendek: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4077)

And Warren, I hate to burst your bubble, but if you start wearing a pith helmet, technically you are no longer working in the nude. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190888#Comment_190888 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190888#Comment_190888 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:41:13 -0700 Fauxhammer
A hat or helmet serves to accentuate nakedness, and actually trebles the weird factor. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190890#Comment_190890 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190890#Comment_190890 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:01:12 -0700 Jess Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190899#Comment_190899 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190899#Comment_190899 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:27:08 -0700 warrenellis And Warren, I hate to burst your bubble, but if you start wearing a pith helmet, technically you are no longer working in the nude.

It's not like you to talk about my helmet in public. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190900#Comment_190900 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190900#Comment_190900 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:41:07 -0700 Jess It's not like you to talk about my helmet in public.

The spike on the tip is a bit offputting, I'll give you that much -- but sometimes you can't avoid the elephant in the room. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190905#Comment_190905 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190905#Comment_190905 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:18:32 -0700 LudwigTheurer
The only one that survived was a portable/common hand-camera.. LOL so even if you can predict issues with Humidity, you can't figure an easy solution to it.. he would never predict that the cheap one was the best. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190907#Comment_190907 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190907#Comment_190907 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:46:23 -0700 groundxero

VIDEO: El Chupacabra Remains

Texas mystery: 'Defective coyote' or chupacabra?

(CNN) -- The owner of a taxidermy school in Blanco, Texas, says he's been receiving more phone calls and attention than he'd like over the identity of a dead roughly 30-pound, mostly hairless coyote-like creature.

"I don't know what it is. ... I do know that I have an odd animal," Jerry Ayer said Thursday.

He said word spread quickly that he was in possession of an unknown animal -- often speculated in his region to be chupacabras, or mythical creatures, he said. Soon, the local, national and even international media picked up on what he said could be a "genetically defective coyote."

"Chupacabra" roughly translates from Spanish to "goat sucker." Reported victims are said to have puncture wounds to their necks, supposedly where the chupacabra drained their blood.

LINK TO ARTICLE ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190966#Comment_190966 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190966#Comment_190966 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:03:11 -0700 Cat Vincent The part of cryptozoology that annoys me if almost the exact opposite - the tendency for a lot of investigators to ignore or dismiss other paranormal activity which is associated with sightings of cryptids. This is especially prevalent in the Bigfoot-chasers.

No doubt there are yet-to-be-found-by-Science beasties out there, and I do understand a need to delineate between them and the weird-shit, but if the weird shit is part of the observation... ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190970#Comment_190970 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190970#Comment_190970 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:03:58 -0700 Oddcult
Okay, so they haven't got a picture, film or an Orang Pendek corpse. But what they have got is corroborative evidence to support claims of a sighting.

The CFZ are *not* a well-funded, academic research expedition. They're doing this on a shoe-string budget, for the hell of it, but with an eye on conservation. If they wanted to prove the Orang Pendek existed (and let's for the sake of argument, say it does) then all they need to would be to put a small price on its head. If they turned up on one of the islands where it lived and said they'd pay a couple of hundred quid for a corpse, they'd almost certainly get one within days.

Hell, if any zoo actually put a value on one that was similar to what's been paid for Okapis or Snow Leopards, there'd be a live one on display within months.

The Okapi is an interesting comparison to the Orang Pendek. It was depicted in Ancient Egyptian texts going back thousands of years, but was unknown to western science until the very early part of the 20th century. They were sighted and then captured but still extremely uncommon in the wild and virtually no pictures were taken of them, or studies undertaken, until two years ago.

Camera traps aren't a very reliable way of locating a single type of animal across a massive range, and they find it hard enough to snap already well-known animals, right out in the wilds.

A sighting of an animal, backed up by footprints, and hair and saliva samples, is a hell of a lot better, in my opinion, than a dodgy IR image, or a picture of a something sitting in a tree. Of course, having the pictures backed up by the physical evidence would be better still, but it's all part of building up a picture of where and how to look next. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190971#Comment_190971 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190971#Comment_190971 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:05:04 -0700 Oddcult Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190973#Comment_190973 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190973#Comment_190973 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:13:59 -0700 Fauxhammer Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190997#Comment_190997 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=190997#Comment_190997 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:32:24 -0700 looneynerd Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191007#Comment_191007 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191007#Comment_191007 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:11:10 -0700 Pooka

anyway, they captured this small monkey like creature in a bear trap, which had funky transparent skin. They tested it and found it was a new species of monkey, that supposedly lived in the caves in mexico....
I believe perhaps this might be the freaky goatsucker....all those other "sightings" look like mangy foxes or coyotes.

As for the "blue cat"...whatever it's origin species...god damn that was a big pointy sharpy bitey godamn black monstercat. I've seen mountain lions, and that thing was a hell of alot bigger than any mountain lion I've see.
and as for the grey snake...I'm even more terrified if it was a giant thirty foot copper head. I'm hoping for the black snake....

someone mentioned being terrified of cryptids and such....I used to have more fears about the unknown, then my ex girlfriend moved in and I started seeing all sorts of weird things. Our brownie was the most active. Soon after the woodsy form sighting my husband saw, I had a less exciting but still kinda weird sighting.
I was taking my ex to class one morning, and we had been discussing the previous fey sighting, as I sat down in the car, my ex said "wow, there she is", I looked up and this two or three inch glowing yellow ball floated slowly through my open door. it sailed by about a foot from my face and then turned and zipped to the back seat of the car where it disapeared. My ex, who as i mentioned before, has funky brain waves and can see and sense things most people don't see, said she could see the brownie sitting in the back seat.
"oookkkayy...well....hmmm"...was my reply. So I was thinking ball lightning or hallucinations or something...so I take my ex to school, and get back home, and as I open my door, the yellow ball appears again, and zips past my face, out the door, and then straight through the window of my laundry room. That was what freaked me out about the whole thing, seeing it twice...
other than that, we had a room mate that swore up and down that he was molested in the night by a strange thin female figure who he thought was me. phantom feathers rained down on my kids once while they were brushign their teeth, and i've seen way more quick movements out of the corner of my eye that for some reason my cats were chasing than I can call coincidence or insane cat behavior.

oh dear...I always sound like such a nut job, and maybe I am, but I'm not one for making shit up, as for my friends who tell me some of these tales, I can't vouche for, but I do know that my ex takes this sort of thing deadly serious, and my husband doesn't know how to lie to me.
I've got alot of other stories, but I can only type for so long before my fingers start screaming at me.
Oh, regaurding faeries or auditory hallucinations and the like. I did have one creepy experience I'll go ahead and relate....
My family own a chunk of land in the deep dark parts of eastern kentucky, close to the west virginian boarder, that been passed down through the generations since George Washington was president. I'm pretty sure that the land was granted to a Duke Burgess who left england for the America, back in the day when that was te thing to do to piss off the other royalty....anyway...these woods haven't really been disturbed in around fifty years or so, and before that they were pig and cow pastures. The nearest neighbor is about three or four miles away on either side.
So one day I was sitting on our pond's dock, just enjoying nature, waiting for my husband to come up the hill to join me.
As I was sitting here I started hearing this odd singing, like a choir, fading in and out rather oddly. it sounded like a bunch of female voices, not singing words, but just a long drawn out "AHHHHHHhhhhHHHHhhhh", with different voices fading in and out. I stood up and peered out into the woods on the other side of the pond (in which direction there is nothing but woods for miles). Oddly, it sounded like it was coming from our ancient ass rabbit warren at the far side of the pond. I was compelled to seek out the sound, it was really strange, and fairly loud, but just as I started into the woods, my husband tromped up the hill and the singing just cut off, instantly, without an echo or a fade, just gone. It was so very strange. odder still was that when I was a kid, I heard the same singing once before in a completely different situation, with a couple ofgirls with me who also heard it, but we were in the middle of town for that one.
I asked a few "experts" on the matter at scarefest and one of them called the angels, one said the faeries were trying to take me, and one said I was picking up radiowaves...
anyway, gonna stop now...i'll tell more tales later... ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191039#Comment_191039 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191039#Comment_191039 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:08:24 -0700 Steven Thomas
Supposedly, my grandfather/her father saw a will-o-wisp/ghost/something. Instead of staying a distance away from him, it shot straight at him (at first he thought it was a truck with a broken headlight or a motorcycle/bike) then stopped, hovered silently, and shot off and into the woods.

He told my mom about it that night and never spoke of it again...but...like myself and my mother, he also had migraines. Died from a brain hemorrhage in his 30's. Who knows what strange visual flares or synapses might've been misfiring that night.

I had never heard the tale of a giant grey snake in Eastern Kentucky.
That sounds awesome and yes it does make me think of the black snakes me and dad would kill.
As my dad would tell it, they were "as big around as your arm."
Tall-tales to be shared with other old farmers in the area which i imagine most of these things are...folktales/legends grown up from tall-tales based on a slight measure of possible fact or overactive imagination. I say that and yet I love reading about cryptozoology reports at the same time. :)

Nonetheless, in the summers, rattlesnakes were often killed crossing the road (Route 245).
Back then, it was a 2-lane road...still is for about half of it.
The biggest rattlesnake hit was around 7 feet/2 meters long. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191045#Comment_191045 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191045#Comment_191045 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:29:41 -0700 Internaut "They had the ability to not only strike with their talons but to close the talons and put them through quite solid objects such as a pelvis. It was designed as a killing machine."

Pith helmet indeed. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191049#Comment_191049 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191049#Comment_191049 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:40:35 -0700 Pooka Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191057#Comment_191057 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191057#Comment_191057 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:08:13 -0700 Jess
The part of cryptozoology that annoys me if almost the exact opposite - the tendency for a lot of investigators to ignore or dismiss other paranormal activity which is associated with sightings of cryptids. This is especially prevalent in the Bigfoot-chasers.

No doubt there are yet-to-be-found-by-Science beasties out there, and I do understand a need to delineate between them and the weird-shit, but if the weird shit is part of the observation...

Cat, example please? Because in my mind, there's a huge difference between "paranormal" and a weird phenomenon that has the potential to be rationally explained. Are you annoyed that they're dismissing the possibility that it could be paranormal (in that it defies the laws of science)? Because typically they're doing so because of Occam's Razor. BUT if you know of a paranormal occurrence and would like it verified to be paranormal, the James Randi foundation will test it for you and you could win a million dollars.

Or you might just want to read through the JREF site, because they're very good at demonstrating why the paranormal label is silly.

Everyone's being a bit harsh on this report, I think.

Okay, so they haven't got a picture, film or an Orang Pendek corpse. But what they have got is corroborative evidence to support claims of a sighting.

Odd, trust me, I could be harsher. And what they have (until their DNA evidence is analyzed and demonstrates otherwise) is a sighting of a CREATURE in the woods. All they've done is assign a name to a creature they didn't see particularly well. They have offered no evidence that this is an Orang Pendek and not a Sun Bear. Read their post again. What, except willingness to believe that this creature is an Orang Pendek makes it an Orang Pendek? Why are you so willing to believe that it is?

And even if they report that they've analyzed the evidence and it's an unknown primate, I'm going to wait for an independent institution to corroborate their findings. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191079#Comment_191079 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191079#Comment_191079 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:07:11 -0700 Oddcult
First, with regards to the JREF, they're closing down the challenge and I think may already have done so, and for a while they've even had rules about it only being open to people with a media profile, as they had so many spurious claims.

The woman with Piss-Powers was probably the best of the spurious claims...

Knowing a bit about Mister Vincent, however, I'm sure he's well aware of the Randi challenge and will be along in a while to clarify the rest of what he's suggesting.

Anyway, with regards to :

What, except willingness to believe that this creature is an Orang Pendek makes it an Orang Pendek? Why are you so willing to believe that it is?

Well... okay, at the moment, what I'm calling an 'Orang Pendek' is more the phenomenon itself than the actual animal. In this case, a Sun Bear might have been an 'Orang Pendek', even though it was still a Sun Bear.

'Orang Pendek' might mean 'misidentified Sun Bear or other well-known forest creature', or 'trick of the light', or whatever, but as far as sticking a label on the sighting report actually goes, it's an 'Orang Pendek'.

Does that make sense?

I *do* think it's the cryptid that's the most likely candidate for a new species, because of the quality of the various reports, as well as the already existing DNA evidence, and I actually would put money on it being found and documented properly soon, but I'm not a 'true believer', by any means.

But yeah - I completely agree about peer review and independent corroboration. I just hope that doesn't take the form of someone shooting one. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191092#Comment_191092 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191092#Comment_191092 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:36:54 -0700 Jess First, with regards to the JREF, they're closing down the challenge and I think may already have done so, and for a while they've even had rules about it only being open to people with a media profile, as they had so many spurious claims.

The JREF challenge is still open -- Jeff Wagg was actually blogging about applicants needing to be corroborated by a member of the media and academic community the other day. They essentially want people to engage in testing themselves before they apply. Many of the applicants have never bothered to determine whether their so-called power is paranormal, or whether it is coincidence. So yes, this prevents the JREF from wasting their time, but it also prevents the applicants from embarrassing themselves.

Does that make sense?

Yes and no. I'm fine with acknowledging the possibility that it might be an unknown species (though I'm betting on a Sun Bear, personally) because they haven't seen enough to really assume one way or another. Nor, to my knowledge, have they analyzed the samples they brought back. For all intents and purposes, this is an unidentified creature. But in being an unidentified creature, it is also not an "Orang Pendek." ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191096#Comment_191096 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191096#Comment_191096 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:43:00 -0700 curb Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191106#Comment_191106 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191106#Comment_191106 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:15:26 -0700 Jess
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Let's say I see something in the woods. I don't see it very clearly, but it has a big scaly tail. Dinosaurs once existed -- could it be that there's a dinosaur in this woods that people are unaware of? Perhaps it is a new species of reptile. It moved like a reptile, after all. But all I saw is clearly is the tail, so I can't be sure. I decide to take some pictures of its footprints and I describe the tail as long and scaly, with little ridges on the top. Aren't there dinosaurs with ridges on the top of their tails?

Is it a dinosaur? Is it a new species? Or is it just a snapping turtle? What do I call this?

I say it's a Jessicasaurus in the end. It might exist, after all. I find out that many other people have seen weird reptiles in the woods. They're not sure what they've seen either, but they're all sure that they've seen something.

Oh, you're not willing to buy Jessicasaurus? Would you buy a previously unknown reptile because it seems less ridiculous? Let's go with that then. Would you mind if I still referred to it as a Jessicasaurus? I mean, you never know. It could be one.

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I think it would have made more sense for me to say "I saw something in the woods and I wasn't sure what it was, but it had X characteristics." Let's say there is a primate out there that we don't know about. It's completely possible. If you call every damn weird thing you see an Orang Pendek without evidence as to why it is an Orang Pendek, the description of the Orang Pendek becomes more fanciful and it becomes harder to compare any specimens against the descriptions of this creature. And it just gets people's hopes up OVER NOTHING.

And if you want to buy ME a Pith Helmet, I'll be hunting for the Jessicasaurus next weekend. :) ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191109#Comment_191109 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191109#Comment_191109 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:27:43 -0700 looneynerd
There are water moccasin(s?) at Kincaid and Cumberland Lakes that are four or five feet long easy. I once saw a black one at Kincaid that was longer than I am tall that took three large guys with axes to kill (they weren't just being mean. It was in a campground near children and no game wardens or park rangers were forthcoming). I've seen wolves near central kentucky as well, again while hunting as a kid. there have even been a few sightings of them as far north as I am. I guess that's what you get for living in a state with more nature than city... ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191117#Comment_191117 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191117#Comment_191117 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:39:59 -0700 Jess http://cfzsumatra09.blogspot.com/2009/09/they-are-back.html ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191124#Comment_191124 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191124#Comment_191124 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:56:48 -0700 Steven Thomas
Ah, the Cottonmouth! We had a large pond on our land growing up and i saw the occasional skinny water snake but thankfully, nothing like a water moccasin. The wolf thing...it's just something rare or unheard of in that particular area but then i wasn't in to hunting. Mostly i was in to horseback riding, fishing, and farming. And certain measures of trouble.

But that's veering off topic so, anyways... ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191338#Comment_191338 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191338#Comment_191338 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:41:58 -0700 Jess Here are the first round of pictures. Looks like they had a nice vacation, anyway. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191347#Comment_191347 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191347#Comment_191347 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:33:01 -0700 warrenellis Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191355#Comment_191355 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191355#Comment_191355 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:04:50 -0700 Steven Thomas Yep, that pretty much sums it up! ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191358#Comment_191358 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191358#Comment_191358 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:23:40 -0700 Jess
My kingdom for a coconut...

(I'm assuming I'm one of the guttersnipes they're referring to. :)) ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191362#Comment_191362 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191362#Comment_191362 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:44:30 -0700 Oddcult Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191546#Comment_191546 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=191546#Comment_191546 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:00:18 -0700 Jess More vacation pictures went up today.

EDIT: And there's also an interview with the guy who supposedly saw the "Orang Pendek." ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192195#Comment_192195 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192195#Comment_192195 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:49:26 -0700 Errol
But as far as i am concerned, this is the cryptozoological motherload.

a hideous prehistoric slime creature found in a sewer.

The nerd in me wants to poke at this thing with some sort of science-stick until it gives me all of its secrets.

Then there is another part of me that just says "KILL IT!!! KILL IT!!!"

]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192196#Comment_192196 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192196#Comment_192196 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:26:36 -0700 ruzkin Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192197#Comment_192197 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192197#Comment_192197 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:31:36 -0700 Jess
Tubifex worms not covered in raw sewage.

EDIT: Blah, Ruz beat me to it while I was looking for an appropriate video! :) ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192216#Comment_192216 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192216#Comment_192216 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:37:17 -0700 Purple Wyrm @Cat Vincent - can you elaborate a bit about what you're referring to? I know what you mean, I think, but could you explain a little more for the audience at home?

If I can be permitted to step in (since there doesn't seem to be any sign of Cat Vincent :). I suspect reference is being made to some of the very strange things certain cryptid witnesses report. Certain cryptozoologists - working from the basic premise that they're dealing with an unknown but perfectly natural animal - accept the parts of the report that support this premise, and discard the weird stuff as being misinterpretation or even outright deception on the part of the witnesses.

There've been several 'Bigfoot' reports for instance where the creatures/entities are reported to display downright uncanny abilities - like being able to walk through solid fences or take a shotgun blast to the torso at close range without even blinking. If the bigfoot is simply a large primate of some kind then this isn't possible, and as a result many 'bigfoot hunters' will happily stick a pin in their map to mark another sighting of their big ape, while dismissing all other eyewitness testimony about what the big ape actually did. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192219#Comment_192219 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192219#Comment_192219 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:47:55 -0700 Cat Vincent I stepped away from the debate when it looked like it was going to devolve into yet another rationalists-versus-woo argument (which exasperate me, and also are something which Ariana dislikes enough to shut threads for).

And you nailed my point precisely. There's also some association between Bigfoot and UFO sightings, which (understandably on some levels) put off a lot of cryptid-chasers. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192406#Comment_192406 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=192406#Comment_192406 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:49:49 -0700 Errol Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194269#Comment_194269 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194269#Comment_194269 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:23:46 -0700 Pooka He got some special permits to go cave diving out in the Carter Cave area here in rowan co. kentucky.
while he was deep in the depths of one of the caves, he saw a thin limbed, big eyes creature run off into a deeper fissure there. I called him to get details but he didn't answer his phone, I'll get a full account later.
Maybe it's the same critter. if it's some sort of sub terra simian it could totally survive in the wooded areas here, and the caves, while a state park, aren't explored very often past a few free caves, and the guided tours. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194342#Comment_194342 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194342#Comment_194342 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:50 -0700 Kosmopolit Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194343#Comment_194343 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194343#Comment_194343 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:52:47 -0700 lampcommander Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194423#Comment_194423 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194423#Comment_194423 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:59:56 -0700 Oddcult Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194438#Comment_194438 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=194438#Comment_194438 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:06:41 -0700 Pooka my hubs and ex girlfriend went to the mid-ohio con a couple years ago. On the way back, late late at night, they got lost, and ended up in mothman country. They didn't realize they were on the road it all happened on, but they kept getting a creepy vibe, and eventually saw a really weird light up in the sky....after a few minutes of this they turned around and went back...eventually they found a gas station and started asking for directions. the folks there got really nervous when they told them what road they had been traveling on and gave them alternate directions. they told them not to take that particular road, but didn't really say why.
On the way back home they were musing about the name of the town they had passed through, and both realized at the same moment "WE WERE IN MOTHMAN LAND!!!"
also, my bestest friend's parents were living in point pleasant when the whole mothman thing happened. they heard about it on the news, and were really freaked when the bridge collapsed. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=271544#Comment_271544 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=271544#Comment_271544 Wed, 24 Nov 2010 04:48:18 -0800 Oddcult http://forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2010/11/lars-thomas-analysis-of-orang-pendek.html

DNA analysis of the supposed Orang Pendak hairs. Possibly weirder than originally thought. Or contaminated. ]]> Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=271562#Comment_271562 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=271562#Comment_271562 Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:58:40 -0800 Fauxhammer Cryptozoology http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=271888#Comment_271888 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=6871&Focus=271888#Comment_271888 Sat, 27 Nov 2010 05:20:45 -0800 Mono
I know, I'm the spoilsport here. Sorry. ]]>