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    Our interest never decade.

    Exceptional work, all. I can't recall when I last read a comic so full of joy, and I'm sure the anticipation contributed to that. I look forward to sitting in the comfy chair, in front of a fire, and reading the enormous Perfect Planetary collection (John was right Absolute really only works with Authority).

    Thank you.
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    What a wonderful series - and it was the perfect ending - we all wanted Elijah to save Ambrose, but didn't want everything wrapped up.

    Thanks to Warren, John and Laura for a magnificent piece of work.
    • CommentAuthorPhranky
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2009 edited
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    Very good. It wraps up a bunch of things but raises a few more questions... just the sort of ending I like.

    It still amazes me that I didn't catch that the bad guys were a take on the fantastic four until the last 4-5 issues. It was just staring me in the face the whole time.
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    And note how there are four protagonists left at the end, haha....
    • CommentAuthorJim Moore
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2009
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    Just wanted to say thanks for the ride Warren. Planetary literally kept me reading comics from issue #1. Excellent ending and epilogue.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeOct 9th 2009
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    And note how there are four protagonists left at the end, haha....


    I did catch that, but it works for me. The Planetary team is what the Four should've been but weren't because they sacrificed their souls to their greed.
    • CommentAuthorPJM
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2009
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    Like many others, I'm basically writing to thank Warren Ellis, John Cassady, Laura Martin, Wildstorm, et. al for an absolutely wonderful series. What a series about possibility, about wonder and about potential. Interwoven with great characterization, action, tender moments and global threats is a sense of magic not exclusive from scientific parameters. Brilliant and moving.

    Some of the science in #27 did leave me a little befuddled but looking forward to reading it - and the series - again. I loved it from the first issue and hope at some point there'll be more - but if not, #27 is a great way to end the series.
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      CommentAuthorstsparky
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2009
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    This was the my favorite read of year. I really liked the character interaction. I'm starting the series over again as soon as I get the tot to crash.
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    I got out of an overnight stay at the hospital today, and one of the first things I did was pick up the #27, where it was nestled among a dozen or so other comics.

    It didn't disappoint, but no issue of Planetary ever did. Those floppies are some of the most missed comics of mine from the house-fire. I don't have anything left aside from #27, and in some ways, having the others lost to time is almost fitting.

    That is, until I go on my own rescue mission and getting 'em back.

    But really, I wanted to thank you, John and Laura (as well as anyone else involved in getting the series out), but I wanted to thank you for bringing Ambrose back--missed the guy something fierce.
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      CommentAuthorhowyadoin
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2009
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    Y'know, that was everything I wanted it to be.

    And considering it was the only comic I've bought in a year, that's sayin' a lot.
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      CommentAuthorRob Bass
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2009
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    I couldn't even open the thing up for close to five minutes, just sat marveling at that one-third of cover, not wanting it to be over.

    Really enjoyed the skip forward, seeing how the trio had grown or stagnated into the even stranger world that they'd begun to let loose with Dowling's database. But then that conversation at the table, Elijah's mandate to build it, that turned everything on its head. Because, of course, the one thing that we've been expecting all this time is that this issue would deal with rescuing Ambrose. And that it would turn out well. Never a doubt in my mind. But then at the end of that conversation, the level of dread spikes to maximum, all of a sudden it seems possible, likely even, that this entire hypercompression of 20th century secret history into 26 issues has really just been the elaborate backstory to this, the real meat of the thing, the tale of The Man Who Ended Everything.

    And it would fit so perfectly, Elijah, with the best of intentions, pushing the science much further than Dowling dared, and unmaking existence. I really believed that that was where we were heading, the last page was going to be some insane splash of them getting pulled into the center of the snowflake as it shattered into 196,833 little pieces. Maybe with the green face from #9 in the middle, waiting. Even after Ambrose showed up, I expected the alarms around the next turn of the page and was shocked to simply have my original expectations fulfilled in an ending that also pulls off the neat trick of catapulting our speculation over the narrative in the other direction.

    We've spent all this time reading along as they unearthed secrets of the past in all their bizarre glory while addressing the conflicts of the present. It's only fitting, then, that once the Four have been defeated, we leave our protagonists not at an ending but gazing out upon the cusp of a secret future too fantastic and of course strange to even begin to be chronicled, stories too big for even our imaginations. Perfect.

    Gratitude and love to Warren and John and Laura and David and anyone else who helped bring all of this wonder to us for all of these years in glorious 2-D. It's one of my favorite things that has ever happened.
    • CommentAuthorredex
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2009
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    This has been such an excuse to rope everyone I know into reading this series. One of my favourite narratives of all time, and stands up amazingly well to rereading. Always some new detail to notice. Bearing in mind that 27 was meant to be an epilogue and definitely wasn't intended to take however long to come out, it really was a lovely and satisfying ending. Thank you Ellis and all the rest of the team for giving it to us.

    That said, I think it'll take a few more rereads before I'm ready to do some hard literary analysis of this whole thing. I'm still basking in the glow of the happy ending, but I know that if my honours thesis topic wasn't already spoken for I'd be all over this baby.

    As a side note, this issue's release also proved the value of a local comic shop that knows all the names of their regulars – they sold out entirely as so many people put it on their "subscriptions" at the last minute, but because they knew this one guy doesn't come in for his box for months at a time they gave me his copy so I could have it the day it came out. Stuff like that makes all the difference in a medium that can be very difficult for interested people to break into and become fans. So, props to Comic Connection of Hamilton, Ontario.
    • CommentAuthoricelandbob
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2009
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    read my copy extensively yesterday...

    Firstly, I really loved the issue as "an epilogue" that helped to tie up some loose ends. I pretty much concur with Rob Bass´ views on the issue, so there´s not much point in going into it further.

    Warren, while i understand you are fairly underwhelmed at the completion of Planetary for obvious reasons, can i just say that it has been a true pleasure reading this and it has made me happier and, unbelievably, smarter man. From the completely mindbending science and ideas proposed that would make a particle physicists´head bleed with pleasure, to the deconstruction of superhero genres. (My personal favourite was the morphing of Jack Carter (John Constantine) into Spider Jerusalem, making him into an anti hero for a more modern age. Brilliant).

    Also the art and colours from John and Laura are of the gold standard. For christmas, i´m buying several copies of VOl. 1 to give to friends for xmas. If any of them don´t like it, then they will not be my friend any more!
    • CommentAuthorVerus
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2009
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    I find it an especially nice touch that Jakita comments on the mystery that continues to surround the identity of the person from the fictional reality...just a reminder that in real life not all mysteries get cleared up.

    I have my own little theory that says Elijah is the one that came from that fictional reality...I know it doesn't make an ounce of sense, but I just like the idea.
    • CommentAuthorSteadyUP
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2009 edited
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    Loved it, especially the original way the time machine concept was handled. I'm somewhat unclear on one thing, though - so the future collapses from a superposition into one reality (assuming Drummer was right and, ahem, future Drummer wasn't)...but why would that, even theoretically, lead to armageddon? It's hard for me to divorce myself from Vonnegut's solid time, admittedly, but unless the perception of free will is essential to existence somehow, I don't see how it would make a difference if the future became fixed in any particular state. If it ever happens, it's already happened, right?
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    Vonnegut's theory of solid time is fun, but it isn't quantum. If every probability-wave concerning the future collapses at once, then all of time can be said to have happened and been done, and so the universe switches off.
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      CommentAuthorLBA
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2009
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    Warren, if this writing gig doesn't work out, you'd make a great theoretical physics professor.
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      CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2009
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    Isn't that his sub-profession on these boards?
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    Great series, Warren. On a related note, I honestly believe that science education would be dramatically furthered if you and Grant Morrison would go on a lecture tour explaining how to get outrageously complex concepts across with less dialogue than it takes a TV science host to introduce himself. Has anyone seen someone do a better concise explanation of the universe-as-hologram concept?
    • CommentAuthoricelandbob
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2009
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    @James Puckett

    I can see the title of the series now

    "Warren & Grant: Science will fuck you!"

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