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    I love this title and its characters but it seems pretty obvious to me that the Freakangels are the bad guys of this story. I mean come on. They destroyed the world to make a point. Can we all say supervillain.

    On top of all that these guys seem to have no problem with thinning out the ranks of the survivors. Was I the only one who felt sorry for those desperate starving people the gang wiped out for daring to raid their little kingdom. All the apparent good they do in Whitechapel seems to be about maintaining their grip on a community that would probably take them out Midwich style if they ever learned about the FA's role in armageddon.

    Maybe I'm completely off base and we'll learn that the guys were completely justified in their actions. Personally I hope this is not the case as it's the moral ambiguity of these characters that make them so cool to read about.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009
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    Nah. Of course they're not the bad guys. They're the good guys, of course. Just like The Authority. Or William Gravel. Or Judge Dredd.
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    I don't know. Rape, murder, genocide. Not exactly the stuff heroes are made of.
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009
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    I think it's fair to say that it's a large group with many differing points of view. Luke may be a rapist, but it's obvious that the rest of the group is not cool with it.

    Everyone does stupid shit when they're a teenager, sometimes things they can't live down. It just happens that these teens were doing stupid superpowered shit.

    I'm pretty sure that Mark is the villain, and happens to be a very smart, suave, and cold villain.
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    Actually I'm holding out hope that Mark isn't going to be the big bad. I think it would much cooler if he ran into something a lot more badass out there in the wastelands and everything we've seen so far has be part of a nefarious plan to test the capabilities of his fellow Freakangels.
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      CommentAuthorSlick
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009
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    Why must they be good or bad, maybe they're just like other people (except for the superpowers).
  4.  (7184.7)
    What slick said. There are no good guys or bad guys in life, just people. Some people have agendas and behavior you like, others not so much.
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    They’re kids who got in over their heads and screwed up just like most kids do. Unfortunately these kids happen to have powers.
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      CommentAuthorInternaut
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009
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    I'm not sure that "Bad" and "Good" really apply as of yet. The military presence has already been demonized, as we are meant to feel some kind of sympathy for the Freakangels as they are on the run for who-knows-what-reasons yet (I'm assuming the 'Genetic freaks on the run from the government" backstory). Yes, we've seen a glimpse of what they can do together, with the talk of their shielding prowess and you know....that whole punching a hole through the world thing. But strictly speaking, we have yet to see any of the "evil" that Mark perpetrates (Again, aside from wanting to punch a Hole in the Earth).

    That being said, I do hope someone takes Luke down a peg or five. And when I say "takes him down a peg" i do in fact mean "Telekineticly burst his testicles, reform them, and burst them again. Over and Over."

    Also, I'm off to listen to Deftones' "Hole in the Earth." It's been rattling around inside my head since I typed this.
    • CommentAuthorIsaacSher
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009 edited
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    I would think that trying to establish cut and dried categories like Good and Evil on these characters is a waste of time.

    I mean, look at Sirkka. We recently saw her performing a selective mind-wipe and body-alteration on a rape victim. The idea was to remove the mental, physical, and sexual trauma of the rape, by "fixing" it as if she'd never experienced the attack. Her memory of the rape is gone, so no mental trauma. The physical damage is healed as if it were never there, and any DNA evidence left on her -- blood, sperm, etc. -- is gone. Sirkka clearly approaches this from a "let's make it all better" standpoint.

    BUT.

    One could make an argument that a mindwipe like this, even done with the best of intentions and done with scalpel-like precision to only take out the "bad" memories, is as bad or worse than the sexual rape that this was meant to heal.

    There is no easy answer to this. It's a slippery shade of gray.

    Just like nearly everything else in FREAKANGELS.
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    When you think about it Luke is about as real as it gets.

    If you're responsible for destroying the world, if you can do pretty much anything you want without consequences, why is it surprising that he uses his powers in the way he does? He obviously doesn't consider himself to be a mere mortal anymore.

    That seems to be a more brutally real response to the situation, rather than chilling in paradise attitude the rest of the gang has. Day one flood London. Day two grow strawberries.
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      CommentAuthorInternaut
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009
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    yes, essentially healing one kind of rape with another is a slippery slope indeed.
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      CommentAuthorFauxhammer
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009
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    I don't think it's a case of good versus bad; the FAs clearly have their own code of morality ("Freakangels business") which, along with their power, puts them into the category of deity, where they're more benevolent or more malevolent.

    Was Loki a bad guy? It depends on what myth you read. The same might hold true for Luke in the end.
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    Everybody's a badguy to somebody.
    • CommentAuthorarvandor
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009
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    They do seem to have a disturbing lack of regard for life, which could be attributed to their hunted lifestyle, but only Luke and (presumably) Mark seem to demonstrate actual sociopathy.

    They're not villains. But like many they only care about what they can see. If its not in Whitechapel and not someone they know, they don't think about it. But if confronted by someone in need, they will help.

    (the exceptions being Luke and Mark, of course)
    • CommentAuthorIndigo Rose
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2009 edited
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    A little late in joining the conversation, but I'd like to agree with the "shade of grey" group here.

    Now that we've seen more of the flashbacks, we've gotten to see more of Mark. I'd have to say that Mark has demonstrated sociopathic tendancies in his casual face-melting, and we'd already seen Luke be a rapist. However, the rest of them are confused young people, rather than villains. This last episode, we leave them at a confrontation that may or may not be the catalyst for their world altering action. If this is the case, then they reacted out of fear and a will to survive, but accidentaly put too much force behind it. I think it's pretty clear they didn't just say, "Here's an idea, let's wipe out everything and start over, we can have a garden on a rooftop and grow strawberries!" I still hold the opinion it's an "Oh shit!" BOOM! moment. Yes, they've been contemplating a demonstration of power to make the authorities back off, but I don't think any of them (except maybe Mark) have thought about that scale of destruction.

    As for their behavior in Whitechapel, after the fact, only Luke has really been a heinous arsehole. The rest of the gang has been trying to be penitent (several occasions of "it's the least we can do" attitude) and rebuild a little of what they destroyed. I'm not saying this absolves them and makes them saints, but that they are not behaving in sociopathic ways. When they behave short-sightedly or selfishly, it's because they are young, but thrown into a position of authority by default. They don't have the experience to give them the scope they need to look at a picture larger than making sure they and the folks in Whitechapel survive.

    Also, empathizing with people who decide to come kill innocent people out of desperation for food, is a little wacky in a survival setting. It's not like they showed up and said, "We're hungry, please share with us." They came with weapons to take what they needed. The FreakAngels killed those few attackers to protect a larger group of individuals who were just trying to live their lives. Granted their methods were extreme, but those are the weapons at their disposal and, again, they react as young people with powers they don't fully understand.

    (edited to fix a Mark/Luke name switch)
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2009
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    You might be interested in this thread Ethics in a Drowned World

    I don't tend to have any use for comics where it's good guys versus bad guys and it's never unclear which is which. But I enjoy stories about folks who have to struggle with decisions and sort themselves out. Sometimes they do it right...sometimes not so much. The thing about ethics is typically you have to think your way into them, and hence we don't really expect them of teenagers. We also conventionally excuse people under duress, but only to a certain degree. Killing in self-defense is usually within bounds but rape and cannibalism never are. It may be useful to remember that ethics/morals/laws are always easy enough to keep to when the world is trucking along, it's a sunny day and no one is trying to kill you. They are hard and therefore important to keep when times are difficult.

    Good? Bad? They're just guys. Superpowered guys who, media en res, are trying to make up for something they did in the past.
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    @Fauxhammer:
    Nice catch on the Luke/Loki bit. Now wondering if it's a deliberate on on Warren's part...
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    Humans with superpowers doing the best they can. It's not really good or bad. I mean, they are trying to live. A few of them feel bad about what their powers did- and they should, they destroyed the world. But they can't fix the whole world, just their corner.

    Or can they fix it? I mean, if they had the power to punch a hole, why can't they patch that hole?? Even without all of them?
    • CommentAuthorAndrDrew
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2009
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    It is much easier to destroy than to create.
    Besides, there are some things that you can't just reverse and have it all be back to normal. Although now that I think about it, with the Freakangels perhaps the saying that "you can't unbake a cake" doesn't quite apply the same anymore.