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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-09T19:12:50-08:00</published>
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			<name>Remedy Loame</name>
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			Disclaimer: I did do a reasonably good search on ethics, genes, genetic engineering, etc. first, so apologies if there's a similar thread that I missed.

But I was just now doodling around looking ...
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			<![CDATA[Disclaimer: I did do a reasonably good search on ethics, genes, genetic engineering, etc. first, so apologies if there's a similar thread that I missed.<br /><br />But I was just now doodling around looking at news and stumbled upon <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A900R20091110" >this article</a>.<br /><br /><blockquote >A mouse that can speak? A monkey with Down's Syndrome? Dogs with human hands or feet? British scientists want to know if such experiments are acceptable, or if they go too far in the name of medical research.<br /><br />To find out, Britain's Academy of Medical Sciences launched a study Tuesday to look at the use of animals containing human material in scientific research.<br />...<br />Using human material in animals is not new. Scientists have already created rhesus macaque monkeys that have a human form of the Huntingdon's gene so they can investigate how the disease develops; and mice with livers made from human cells are being used to study the effects of new drugs.<br /><br />But scientists say the technology to put ever greater amounts of human genetic material into animals is spreading quickly around the world -- raising the possibility that some scientists in some places may want to push boundaries.<br /><br />"There is a whole raft of new scientific techniques that will make it not only easier but also more important to be able to do these cross-species experiments," Bobrow said.<br />...<br />Bobrow said there was a "sort of understanding" within the scientific community that "as you get close to 50/50 mix" of human and animal material, the boundaries are near, but he said laws were vague at best.<br /><br />"Do most of us care if we make a mouse whose blood cells or liver are human? Probably not," he said. "But if it can speak? If it can think? Or if it is conscious in a human way? Then we're in a completely different ballpark."</blockquote><br /><br />Just thought I would throw it out there to see what your thoughts were on the whole idea.  How far is too far, and why?  When does it become unethical, if the concept of experimenting on animals for research isn't itself unethical?  If medical experiments require this much "human" in the animals, how about farming up some people instead?  If that'd be even worse, why?  Does this have implications down the road for genetically engineering humans with a hint of whichever animal (transhumanism, yes?)?  What about non-medical applications - would you really want a talking cat (maybe the wrong animal) or a dog that could use a tin-opener?  And so on...<br /><br />Curious about your opinions, I personally am a bit unsettled by it but haven't quite figured out why.  I don't like the idea of people doing experiments on live animals but science has made huge advances as a result of doing them, and I'm not clear as to whether the data they gather in animal experiments these days could be obtained from computer models alone yet.  I feel like a gene here and there is one thing, but large amounts of human material and functions like speech (I would think the biology could get quite messy and human-heavy there) really get a strong gut reaction from me when I imagine it.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-09T20:06:39-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-09T20:30:30-08:00</updated>
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			<name>Rootfireember</name>
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			Reminds me of The Island of Dr.Moreau. The book; not the movie, and outcry over the use of vivisection when it was the shiny new tecnique of the day. In reality, the technique did not actually result ...
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			<![CDATA[Reminds me of <em >The Island of Dr.Moreau</em>. The book; not the movie, and outcry over the use of vivisection when it was the shiny new tecnique of the day. In reality, the technique did not actually result in human-animals taking over the world. But it did cause protests on the behalf of how ethical -or unethical- is was perceived to be.<br /><br /> From what I understand, there are laws in place that govern how much human material can be used; and I know for sure the "If it can speak" thing is a bit of an inflammatory statement, designed to get a rise out of the reader. Scientists are not creating mythical beast people, human beings with doey animal eyes for abuse and torture , and the lives of chimeras in most places are very, very short. For example;<br /><blockquote ><br />British lawmakers voted to legalize the creation of animal-human embryos for medical research. In the future, scientists in Britain will be allowed to combine human DNA with animal egg cells. But the law says the resulting "chimera" embryos must destroyed within 14 days, and cannot be implanted. From [<a href="http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3351368,00.html" >here</a>]</blockquote><br /><br />Fourteen<strong > Days</strong> from its creation, the embryo must be destroyed.<br /><br /><img src="http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a150/RavenOne/MACROS/EMBRYO.jpg" alt="Embryo" ><br /><br />If that bugger's talking, I think we have a bit more to worry about than how human it is.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-09T20:19:03-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Fan</name>
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			I think that the distinction between human and animal is pretty nebulous already: artificial, kind of self-serving, might-makes-right, and amoral on the part of humans. Personally, given the choice I ...
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			<![CDATA[I think that the distinction between human and animal is pretty nebulous already: artificial, kind of self-serving, might-makes-right, and amoral on the part of humans. Personally, given the choice I avoid paying to have animals slaughtered, like human beings. That said I'm not too proud to accept present-day benefits of medical science, even if it has been gained in part at the cost of others' lives. I think it would be better if we as a supposedly intelligent and moral species were a little bit braver about living within our own limits instead of encroaching so on others. I vote for a moratorium on exploiting animals ("sentient beings"), but it's clear to me that this is a minority opinion.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-09T21:39:50-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-09T22:01:31-08:00</updated>
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			<name>Remedy Loame</name>
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			@Rootfireember - Yes, I did figure they were going to extremes with the imagery in the article but it still brought up questions for me, despite how unlikely it would be to actually occur.  Just ...
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			<![CDATA[@Rootfireember - Yes, I did figure they were going to extremes with the imagery in the article but it still brought up questions for me, despite how unlikely it would be to actually occur.  Just wondering more as a what-if and how far is it acceptable to go, including outside of the UK.  The chimaera stuff is interesting too, I will have to look further into it because I'm not entirely understanding the usefulness of an embryo that gets binned after 14 days, so thanks! (I also didn't know about the "saviour sibling" being approved, so double thanks!),  But it did remind me slightly of something else, a book or a film, not <em >Moreau</em> (though it did come to mind for a second) - name and plot escape me.  Never mind.  <em >(edit:  I may have been thinking of the mouse with the ear on its back from years ago.)</em><br /><br />@Fan - It's definitely self-serving, perhaps it is more just a matter of time for development of other ways, better computer models and more cost-effective and efficient ways to, I don't know, grow human body parts in labs.  So there's no real need to go mucking about in the genetic makeup of other animals.  Encroachment brings up the issue of overpopulation, too, urgh...whole other can of worms.  Thanks for your thoughts!<br /><br />(Also, sorry about stupid questions, I can be a little too what-iffy for my own good!)]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-09T21:50:20-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>James Puckett</name>
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			I’m all for anything that might eventually engineer me a pig with a nine-inch transplantable human cock. Especially if I can eat the bacon after the surgery.
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			<![CDATA[I’m all for anything that might eventually engineer me a pig with a nine-inch transplantable human cock. Especially if I can eat the bacon after the surgery.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-09T21:58:16-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Remedy Loame</name>
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			Oddly enough, James, well, it's not nine inches with complimentary bacon, but...working lab-grown rabbit penises seem to be happening.
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			<![CDATA[Oddly enough, James, well, it's not nine inches with complimentary bacon, but...working <a href="http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre5a85l2-us-penis-artificial/" >lab-grown rabbit penises</a> seem to be happening.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-09T23:06:37-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>StefanJ</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			An intelligent dog would make a great apartment mate. He could tell you which of your dates is really interested in you (pheremones), and help you sort out laundry into &quot;one more day&quot; and ...
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			<![CDATA[An intelligent dog would make a great apartment mate. He could tell you which of your dates is really interested in you (pheremones), and help you sort out laundry into "one more day" and "wash right now" piles.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-10T00:40:35-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>tedcroland</name>
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			The way I see it, the &quot;throw shit against a wall&quot; method of genetic science seems a little irresponsible, but fuck it I want some goddamned abominations already! Hearing about them my whole ...
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			<![CDATA[The way I see it, the "throw shit against a wall" method of genetic science seems a little irresponsible, but fuck it I want some goddamned abominations already! Hearing about them my whole life, never have I actually seen a true abomination of science.<br /><br /><img src="http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://meredith007.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/mouse-human-ear.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHAM57v7SUYwIAAC-VA197PVdwPWQ" alt="" ><br /><br />Whoops.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-10T01:41:12-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
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			There's really no such thing as &quot;human DNA&quot; and &quot;animal DNA&quot;. most human genes are either identical to the equivalent animal gene or very similar to it. The difference between ...
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			<![CDATA[There's really no such thing as "human DNA" and "animal DNA". most human genes are either identical to the equivalent animal gene or very similar to it. The difference between humans and other primates seems mainly to come down to a relative handful of genes; difference in gene expression and having extra copies of some genes.<br /><br />There's also a natural phenomena known as horizontal gene transfer where viruses transfer genes between different species. That's been going on for hundreds of millions of years. So, genetic engineering is lot less "unnatural" than people assume.<br /><br />I definitely don't believe in causing unnecessary suffering in any sentient being but proivded you aren;t doing that, stick whatever genes you like wherever you like.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-10T07:00:33-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>cornelius.urquhart</name>
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			How far? 
Until we make something that enslaves us/turns us extinct. 
And if that happens, then we deserved it.
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			<![CDATA[How far? <br />Until we make something that enslaves us/turns us extinct. <br />And if that happens, then we deserved it.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-10T10:01:05-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Cyman</name>
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			By that logic, Cornelius, do we deserve it now? You've put &quot;deserved&quot; in past tense, y'see. And if we deserve it now, then it would seem we've already gone too far.
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			<![CDATA[By that logic, Cornelius, do we deserve it now? You've put "deserved" in past tense, y'see. And if we deserve it now, then it would seem we've already gone too far.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-10T10:15:47-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>cornelius.urquhart</name>
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			Cyman wrote:
By that logic, Cornelius, do we deserve it now? You've put &quot;deserved&quot; in past tense, y'see. And if we deserve it now, then it would seem we've already gone too far.I wish to ...
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			<![CDATA[Cyman wrote:<br /><blockquote >By that logic, Cornelius, do we deserve it now? You've put "deserved" in past tense, y'see. And if we deserve it now, then it would seem we've already gone too far.</blockquote>I wish to plead temporal ignorance.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-10T15:06:55-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Phranky</name>
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			Without reading the original post and any other subsequent replies I'm going to say &quot;not far enough&quot;. As a young boy at heart I have an unhealthy fixation with any grotesque mutations and ...
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			<![CDATA[Without reading the original post and any other subsequent replies I'm going to say "not far enough". As a young boy at heart I have an unhealthy fixation with any grotesque mutations and oddities, so much so that I will only be satisfied until science has created an Island of Dr. Moreau style event whereby all the animal-humans have recreated 'Animal Farm'.<br /><br />If funding is lacking then perhaps donations could be requested from furries.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-10T16:10:35-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
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			&quot;How far?
Until we make something that enslaves us/turns us extinct.
And if that happens, then we deserved it. &quot;

Or something that ask us to stop.
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			<![CDATA["How far?<br />Until we make something that enslaves us/turns us extinct.<br />And if that happens, then we deserved it. "<br /><br />Or something that ask us to stop.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-10T19:07:39-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>James Puckett</name>
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			If funding is lacking then perhaps donations could be requested from furries.

And that’s too far.
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			<![CDATA[<em >If funding is lacking then perhaps donations could be requested from furries.</em><br /><br />And that’s too far.]]>
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		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
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		<published>2009-11-11T12:47:39-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rootfireember</name>
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			There are fairly strict laws about what you can and can't do to animals in a lab in the name of science; with quality of care and minimization of suffering being one of them. I don't see how chimeras ...
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			<![CDATA[There are fairly strict laws about what you can and can't do to animals in a lab in the name of science; with quality of care and minimization of suffering being one of them. I don't see how chimeras - would be exempt from the level of care that even a laboratory mouse gets now-days. <br /><br />The days of madcap experiments, I believe, are rather long gone, with the rising standard of ethics in the scientific and psychological communities.<br /><br />As for how far is too far? - When something causes needless suffering to a subject (human or animal), for no benefit to the subject, mankind or the subject's species in general. Reactions to procedures, treatments and medications can and will occur in an experimental setting- one's working with stuff that was, until then, untested, afterall. But as long as attempts are made to ensure that the animal is in no extreme amount of stress, suffering or pain-- I've got no problem with stuff. <br /><br />While daydreams of Moreau's island are fun, I believe we've got a long way to go before we have to fear leopard and hyena men trying to chomp our bones.<br /><br />I do have a question I've been mulling over the past few days:<br /><br />at what point does a Chimera stop being an animal, and become human?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201679#Comment_201679" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201679#Comment_201679</id>
		<published>2009-11-11T13:10:55-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>gzapata</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4899</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@rootfireember- When they are able to explain to me how to play black jack


In all seriousness I'd like to never find out
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@rootfireember- When they are able to explain to me how to play black jack<br /><br /><br />In all seriousness I'd like to never find out]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201696#Comment_201696" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201696#Comment_201696</id>
		<published>2009-11-11T14:12:37-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rootfireember</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Humans and chimps are about 96% the same, genetically, according to [This Study]; if we use that as a baseline to work with, it gives one quite a bit of room before a chimera goes from animal to ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Humans and chimps are about 96% the same, genetically, according to [<a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html" >This Study</a>]; if we use that as a baseline to work with, it gives one quite a bit of room before a chimera goes from animal to human. Though I expect things to be really interesting when you pass the 96% same-as-human mark .]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201701#Comment_201701" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201701#Comment_201701</id>
		<published>2009-11-11T14:35:46-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>gzapata</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4899</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I thought it was even more than that actually
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I thought it was even more than that actually]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201715#Comment_201715" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201715#Comment_201715</id>
		<published>2009-11-11T15:08:01-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>StefanJ</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;I believe we've got a long way to go before we have to fear leopard and hyena men trying to chomp our bones.&quot;

To judge from the artwork I've seen, the furries might go for a leopard ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<em >"I believe we've got a long way to go before we have to fear leopard and hyena men trying to chomp our bones."</em><br /><br />To judge from the artwork I've seen, the furries might go for a leopard <em >woman</em> nibbling on their bone.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201749#Comment_201749" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=201749#Comment_201749</id>
		<published>2009-11-11T16:55:18-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-11T16:56:15-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Dario</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7250</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@StefanJ I doubt leopard women would sink so low. They're chimeras, not desperate.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@StefanJ I doubt leopard women would sink so low. They're chimeras, not desperate.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202036#Comment_202036" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202036#Comment_202036</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T11:55:05-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Fan</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6919</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&gt; When they are able to explain to me how to play black jack

That's social, you know, cultural: not physical. A feral child couldn't do it: wouldn't even know (and couldn't be taught) what ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[> When they are able to explain to me how to play black jack<br /><br />That's social, you know, cultural: not physical. A <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child" >feral child</a> couldn't do it: wouldn't even know (and couldn't be taught) what 'playing' is: don't have the capacity for 'shared attention', apparently: which we can certainly teach dogs.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202039#Comment_202039" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202039#Comment_202039</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T11:56:29-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Dario</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7250</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Jesus.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Jesus.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202063#Comment_202063" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202063#Comment_202063</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T13:02:53-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>rickiep00h</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I love this thread just because it vacillates between completely serious and completely insane so well. Carry on, folks, I'm loving this.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I love this thread just because it vacillates between completely serious and completely insane so well. Carry on, folks, I'm loving this.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202069#Comment_202069" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202069#Comment_202069</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T13:17:21-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rootfireember</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Rickiep00h 
-WHAT DO you have against LEOPARD WOMEN?! HRMM!

erm. I mean.

If a chimera of over 94% human biology were raised in a laboratory setting,  would it be human? Would it end up ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<strong >@Rickiep00h </strong><br />-WHAT DO you have against LEOPARD WOMEN?! HRMM!<br /><br />erm. I mean.<br /><br />If a chimera of over 94% human biology were raised in a laboratory setting,  would it be human? Would it end up growing up like a feral child with the cognative issues asociated with it, or would it grow up more like a normal human?<br /><br />I have NO CLUE.<br /><br />But I do like chewing on thoughts like these.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202095#Comment_202095" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202095#Comment_202095</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T14:08:46-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>StefanJ</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Homework: Olaf Stapledon's Sirius. Dog with a really big brain (through hormone manipulation in the womb; genetic engineering wasn't quite conceived of back then) raised by a Welsch ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Homework: Olaf Stapledon's <em >Sirius</em>. Dog with a really big brain (through hormone manipulation in the womb; genetic engineering wasn't quite conceived of back then) raised by a Welsch family.<br /><br />@Rootfireember: Which 94%?  What kind of laboratory setting? And what the hell is human anyway?<br /><br />There's a science story appearing here and there about the FOXP2 gene, which controls speech:<br /><br />http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091111130942.htm<br /><br />One gene which controls language ability. At least on the cognitive level; I doubt you'd get a larynx for free. Humans with a mutated form of the gene have severe language difficulties. If you put the human form into an animal, it might very well have remarkable language abilities. But would it be human? Or more to the point, be able to have a meaningful life in human society? Smart creatures who can understand language but not actually talk, and who don't have hands and have short lives, might feel like they've gotten the shaft.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202111#Comment_202111" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202111#Comment_202111</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T14:25:03-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rootfireember</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Some birds -corvids and parrots- have been shown to already be capable of using english to some degree, matching words with meaning.
...this has done nothing to change humans perceptions of them as ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Some birds -corvids and parrots- have been shown to already be capable of using english to some degree, matching words with meaning.<br />...this has done nothing to change humans perceptions of them as dumb animals, it would seem.<br /><br />Also, I forgot about the FOXP2 gene! Thanks for bringing it up.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202119#Comment_202119" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202119#Comment_202119</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T14:37:43-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Fan</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6919</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&gt; What kind of laboratory setting?

There were those experiments by Harry Harlow, about touch and so on.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[> What kind of laboratory setting?<br /><br />There were those experiments by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow" >Harry Harlow</a>, about touch and so on.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202134#Comment_202134" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202134#Comment_202134</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T15:45:19-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>StefanJ</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Rootfireember &quot;...this has done nothing to change humans perceptions of them as dumb animals, it would seem.&quot;

Most people think crows are pretty bright. If they all talked like Alex the ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@Rootfireember <em >"...this has done nothing to change humans perceptions of them as dumb animals, it would seem."</em><br /><br />Most people think crows are pretty bright. If they all talked like Alex the Grey Parrot we'd think they were even smarter. But it would make them even more annoying.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202139#Comment_202139" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202139#Comment_202139</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T16:00:25-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rootfireember</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@StefanJ- The New Caledonian Crows have, as far as I remember, (I may be wrong) surpassed chimps in a variety of logic and toolmaking tests. There's a large volume of studies about avian ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<strong >@StefanJ</strong>- The New Caledonian Crows have, as far as I remember, (I may be wrong) surpassed chimps in a variety of logic and toolmaking tests. There's a large volume of studies about avian intelligence. People just don't seem to like them as much as the monkey studies; and then there's the word Parrot. As in To Mimic. It's easy enough for the average person to mistake a bird's words for nothing more than abstracted, meaningless babbling -- a cute parlor trick, but little more.<br /><br />If you were, eventually to get an animal as intelligent as a human, with the ability to communicate like a human, would it have a chance of being accepted into a human society and culture, or would it always be an outsider, a freak to be toured around on youtube or for sound-bites?  What would we do with such a thing? Would it have a chance at all of integrating into our society, and living a happy, fulfilling life?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202172#Comment_202172" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202172#Comment_202172</id>
		<published>2009-11-12T19:33:32-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Walks-The-Murder-Dub</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7715</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			From my beautiful Geneticist Wifey:

She thinks the ethics line stops at the neck.  She is uncool with any alteration producing sentience in animals about to be used for experimentation (perhaps in ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[From my beautiful Geneticist Wifey:<br /><br />She thinks the ethics line stops at the neck.  She is uncool with any alteration producing sentience in animals about to be used for experimentation (perhaps in general.)<br /><br />I think all such idealist trends will yeild to profit unless some serious alteration of megacorp patterns is on the rise (HA Fucking HA)]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202296#Comment_202296" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202296#Comment_202296</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T07:09:15-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William George</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7366</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			If I can gain the proportional strength and speed of a spider, I'm all for this.

My Spider-man pajamas need airing.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[If I can gain the proportional strength and speed of a spider, I'm all for this.<br /><br />My Spider-man pajamas need airing.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202331#Comment_202331" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202331#Comment_202331</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T08:53:04-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Phranky</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4286</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			or would it always be an outsider, a freak to be toured around on youtube or for sound-bites? What would we do with such a thing? Would it have a chance at all of integrating into our society, and ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<blockquote >or would it always be an outsider, a freak to be toured around on youtube or for sound-bites? What would we do with such a thing? Would it have a chance at all of integrating into our society, and living a happy, fulfilling life?</blockquote><br />You have been on Youtube right? That's already a 21st century freak show.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202378#Comment_202378" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202378#Comment_202378</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T11:13:30-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>StefanJ</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;What would we do with such a thing?&quot;

The only ethical way to treat them would be to raise them as our own kids, to be citizens. If they're not capable of participating in society in a ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<em >"What would we do with such a thing?"</em><br /><br />The only ethical way to treat them would be to raise them as our own kids, to be citizens. If they're not capable of participating in society in a meaningful way, I wouldn't bother making them in the first place.<br /><br />As to why even try:<br /><br />“The question that will decide our destiny is not whether we shall expand into space. It is: shall we be one species or a million? A million species will not exhaust the ecological niches that are awaiting the arrival of intelligence.” -- Freeman Dyson, "The Greening of the Galaxy."]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202386#Comment_202386" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202386#Comment_202386</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T11:27:03-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			“The question that will decide our destiny is not whether we shall expand into space. It is: shall we be one species or a million? A million species will not exhaust the ecological niches that are ...
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			<![CDATA[<i >“The question that will decide our destiny is not whether we shall expand into space. It is: shall we be one species or a million? A million species will not exhaust the ecological niches that are awaiting the arrival of intelligence.” -- Freeman Dyson, "The Greening of the Galaxy."</i><br /><br />Reminds me of the race of humans in the Hyperion series who genetically modified themselves to be able to live just about anywhere on any planet.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202415#Comment_202415" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202415#Comment_202415</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T12:19:16-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>StefanJ</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@RenThing: I'm pretty sure Simmons wrote that stuff with Dyson's ideas slamming around his head. It was also the inspiration for Bruce Sterling's Schiszmatrix.

The essay is from Dyson's Disturbing ...
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			<![CDATA[@RenThing: I'm pretty sure Simmons wrote that stuff with Dyson's ideas slamming around his head. It was also the inspiration for Bruce Sterling's <em >Schiszmatrix</em>.<br /><br />The essay is from Dyson's <em >Disturbing the Universe</em>, which is a pretty amazing book.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202507#Comment_202507" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202507#Comment_202507</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T19:02:47-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>rickiep00h</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2930</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			You know, I just thought of something. What about people going for animal genes? I mean, it's not like it's that far out of the realm of possibility. Sure, it's an ethically gray area, but so is ...
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			<![CDATA[You know, I just thought of something. What about people going for animal genes? I mean, it's not like it's that far out of the realm of possibility. Sure, it's an ethically gray area, but so is animals with human genes. How far would we let people go before we started calling them freaks? Would society be okay with something like the Grays, a la Transmet?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202517#Comment_202517" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202517#Comment_202517</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T20:35:40-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>StefanJ</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@rickiep00h: I imagine it would be seen as Freedom by some people, sacrilege punishable by death for others, and for most people an indulgent affectation.

But, like wearing blue jeans and not ...
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			<![CDATA[@rickiep00h: I imagine it would be seen as Freedom by some people, sacrilege punishable by death for others, and for most people an indulgent affectation.<br /><br />But, like wearing blue jeans and not wearing a hat, with time it might become perfectly normal.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202521#Comment_202521" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202521#Comment_202521</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T21:16:05-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rootfireember</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Another thing I'm curious about with chimeras, or humans with animal genes would be this:
Would they be more susceptible to zoonotic diseases? Would they have to get animal shots and human shots? ...
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			<![CDATA[Another thing I'm curious about with chimeras, or humans with animal genes would be this:<br />Would they be more susceptible to zoonotic diseases? Would they have to get animal shots and human shots? Would they become a pathway by which diseases that had previously only occurred in some non-humans crossed over to humanity?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202535#Comment_202535" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202535#Comment_202535</id>
		<published>2009-11-13T23:07:31-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Mark Seifert</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Rickie -- I think where there is profit or advantage to be had, people will start doing it and issues of ethics and acceptance will be worked out over time. 

Look at the areas of sports ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Rickie -- I think where there is profit or advantage to be had, people will start doing it and issues of ethics and acceptance will be worked out over time. <br /><br />Look at the areas of sports performance that people are struggling with now, with various performance enhancers and so on.  That's worked its way from dirty little secret to openly debated to some of the biggest names in sports doing it and not losing their status.  Next, we'll start hearing about safer drugs and methods and the floodgates will start opening.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202666#Comment_202666" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202666#Comment_202666</id>
		<published>2009-11-14T17:11:12-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			If not for the ethical barriers, it'd probably be possible right now to create someone who's effectively superhuman:

1. Additional copies of the telomerase gene to extend life expectancy.

2. ...
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			<![CDATA[If not for the ethical barriers, it'd probably be possible right now to create someone who's effectively superhuman:<br /><br />1. Additional copies of the telomerase gene to extend life expectancy.<br /><br />2. Delete the Myostatin gene to promote extreme physical strength<br /><br />3. Copy the genetic mutation found in mole rats that prevents cancer <br /><br />4. Additional copies of the gene recently found in mice that correlates with memory and IQ.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202671#Comment_202671" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=202671#Comment_202671</id>
		<published>2009-11-14T17:37:31-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Nygaard</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=431</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I really like garlic mayonnaise; but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to combine it with strawberry jam. I suspect just squashing all those changes in there would have too many unexpected side ...
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			<![CDATA[I really like garlic mayonnaise; but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to combine it with strawberry jam. I suspect just squashing all those changes in there would have too many unexpected side effects to count, most of which would simply produce an unviable lump of cells. Of course, with the present state of the art of gene-cracking, the only way to find out is to try it.<br /><br />Come to think of it, why haven't we?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Animals with Human Genes: How Far Is Too Far?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=203186#Comment_203186" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7194&amp;Focus=203186#Comment_203186</id>
		<published>2009-11-16T18:30:06-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-21T08:54:02-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rootfireember</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			A new Human/Chimp Gene Comparrison
The target of Geschwind’s analysis was FOXP2, a gene that rose to scientific prominence during the study of a London-based family afflicted by hereditary speech ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/language-genes" >A new Human/Chimp Gene Comparrison</a><br /><blockquote >The target of Geschwind’s analysis was FOXP2, a gene that rose to scientific prominence during the study of a London-based family afflicted by hereditary speech disorders. Of the extended family’s 30 members, one-half have severe linguistic deficiencies, as well as a FOXP2 mutation. Those who don’t have the mutation are able to speak normally.</blockquote>]]>
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