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Warren's Pub Table: GLOBAL FREQUENCY On TV: Round 2

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      CommentAuthorJJH
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2009
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    My fiancee is addicted to it.
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    Supernatural is actually a good example of employing the Things Go To Crap card without losing the fun spirit of the show. I haven't watched a lot of episodes, but the Groundhog Day-style episode where each "attempt" ends with a different death for one of the brothers is morbidly awesome... AND it's got a downer ending.

    But back to Global Frequency. I can actually imagine that the first issue wouldn't be the best place to start... Seeing as most of the issues are self-contained and self-explained, you could really start anywhere. If I were to set up a pilot episode for TV, though? It's true that the first issue is a bit of a downer, even if it's awesome. Maybe one could go straight for the parkour episode, and save the first issue for episode 2 or 3.
    • CommentAuthorMarty Nozz
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2009
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    I like the alien meme issue myself. Fun twist on the ending would make it a good sale. That's where I'd start.
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    I have the feeling I may have written something similar to this before - if so, I apologise, but does anyone else think the GF would make a better series if it was written to fit a half-hour slot rather than an hour slot? The original pilot had a lot of padding to make the material in 22-page* comic fit a 1-hour timeslot

    The other thing is, while "Thunderbirds meets 24" is a magnificent high concept (and given that Thunderbirds column he wrote for Wired and that recent "rescue fiction" issue of Astonishing I have a feeling that Warren has something brewing along those lines), it's missing what is for me is one of the main points of Global Frequency

    Anyone can be on the Global Frequency - if they're in the right place at the right time with the right skills. You know those little vignettes at the start of cop or medical dramas where you (the viewer) are trying to figure out which of the characters is about to discover a body/get raped/come down with a mysterious disease/be run over? With Global Frequency you'd be figuring out who's going to get the call. And instead of being the show's victim, they get to be the shows star.

    What are the stand-out moments from the comics? "Did you save the world?/No. You did". "I'm on the Global Frequency and I hate all men everywhere". The sniper smoking a cigarette while waiting to die from radiation sickness. "Do you want to go for a drink, superspy girl?/I thought we'd skip straight to the shagging/Yeah baby." Who gets those moments? No Miranda Zero or Aleph, because they aren't the stars of the comic. The stars are what in any other show/comic would be the "little people", but - to Warren - there are no little people

    *it might be 24 pages, but I'm not going to get my trades out and count the pages because 1) it would be geeky and 2) it doesn't change my point
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    I always saw the real potential for network ratings (the bottom line for them) from a Global Frequency TV show is in the promise of stunt casting and guest stars.
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      CommentAuthorAnxst
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2009
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    Here's hoping Global Frequency makes it through all the hurdles this time. My wife would be happy, just so I can quit bitching every time I see some insipid new idiocy get made into a TV show, and I bemoan that things such as Global Frequency got passed over.

    We shall see, I suppose.
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    *it might be 24 pages, but I'm not going to get my trades out and count the pages because 1) it would be geeky and 2) it doesn't change my point

    To add to your point, I also thought that the suspense of the comic was missing from the pilot. The global frequency comics where an excellent use of the medium to tell short, and concise high concept stories. There was an immediacy in the comics, where every second counted, so the Frequency had to be severely efficient and organized to keep the response time to threats in mere seconds no matter the location.
    The padding in the pilot removed that important element. It felt like they had all the time in the world and it weakened the concept of the Global Frequency because it showed that they weren't very efficient. Like the fact that Mirand Zero or Aleph, didn't know one of their own was dead sooner, or that once they found out how serious the threat was they didn't send additional agents to help(given the extra time they had in the show.)

    Also, the acting and dialogue was a little "awkward" But that isn't suprprising in a pilot. Overall, this show had/has potential and can become it's own thing if it gets picked up.
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      CommentAuthorStargrave
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2009
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    the first time i read global frequency i instantly thought of michelle forbes playing miranda zero. so when i saw the pilot later it blew my mind that they had actually cast her. i would love to see her in the new run at it but i am dubious that she will get brought in again.
    • CommentAuthorKelind
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2009
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    Would Whitechapel be able to host the Michelle Forbes' trailer? Please? (I've never seen the whole thing)
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2009
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    That was so cool. Now I desperately want to see the whole damn pilot.
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      CommentAuthorJJH
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2009
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    sweet.
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    That was impressive. Thank you, Warren.
    Despite being a huge fan of Forbes' work and Global Frequency, I had never seen a single clip of the pilot (and i didn't even know it was on youtube). It's exciting to see the characters come to life, but sad to watch all the same.

    Still, if only for a brief period of time, Michelle Forbes was most definitely Miranda Zero.

    Good luck to those pursuing a second stab at getting the series made.
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      CommentAuthorJJH
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2009 edited
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    Hey warren,

    Let me ask you this, and of course, I realize you probably won't be involved with the process at all, and to whatever extent you may be, you might be barred from saying too much, but... at least from the comics standpoint... What were your thoughts/intentions on the bigger picture of Global Frequency?

    I love the basic premise and all, and I loved the individual episodes and the variety of characters and situations, but who is Miranda Zero and the Frequency's opposite? Is there a larger struggle? Was there a plan? I recall the issue where Aleph was alone against a team of intruders, but I can't recall if there was a bigger "bad guy" mentioned or not.

    I think this is the situation that ultimately sank Dollhouse, the lack of a directional focus/cohesive struggle (among other things), and helped to save Fringe (with its multi-dimensional war angle tying the random events together... which is also an awesome idea in Astonishing. I eagerly await more...) and also, while Planetary is one of my most favoritest things ever, it might not of been without the addition to the Four. They really kept stuff moving, instead of it just being the team going out, seeing something weird, going: "Oh thats weird" and then going home until the next issue.

    I believe the loosely connected series of stand alone episodes type of show/book/whatever can only sustain itself for so long without eventually becoming formulaic and it is the struggle which defines the longer story arcs/more continuity type of narratives and keeps them fresh and interesting... basically, the good guy is only as good as his bad guy...

    So.... the long way... can you talk about the bigger picture of global frequency? Was there one? Or maybe speak on the Orginization's opposite?

    A little?

    A bit?
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    What were your thoughts/intentions on the bigger picture of Global Frequency?

    Writing 12 stories.

    It was a really simple story engine, and I wanted to run it twelve times with the twelve best artists available to me. I got to write one specifically for Jon J Muth, which was a highlight. I got to write a comic for Garry fucking Leach. I got to make DC pay attention to Brian Wood (and got the best 12 covers of that year).

    An overarching Big Bad, "show mythology" or uber-arc is not necessary. Tell a good enough story and people will come back for another experience like that next time. Especially when there are only 12 of them. Remember, there was never any intent for GF to be an ongoing book -- it was pitched, solicited and structured as 12 single issues and then, poof, gone.

    DOLLHOUSE's problems, I would submit, come from places entirely other than a broad story arc. FRINGE was never not positioned as a series about a broader story -- the minute the Pattern was put on the table and connected to Massive and Bell, that's what the show was going to be about.
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      CommentAuthorJJH
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2009
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    I don't think a "big Bad" is necessary, but without it, I do think there is a shelf life. Although, admittedly, 12 issues is still well within that zone... Don't get me wrong though, I loved it as is, but going forward as a show... any idea what they're planning?

    uh... Dollhouse... that show makes me mad... which is weird, but whatever...
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    any idea what they're planning?


    Nope.
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      CommentAuthorEndjinn
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2009
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    I think as long as they manage to keep some of the technological mythology in it,
    it'd be a real shame if the 'Global Frequency' just end up going after terrorists in a "This week you are Jack Bauer!" kind of way,

    I just hope they can keep a lot of cold war, SF elements in anything they make out of it.
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      CommentAuthorJJH
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2009
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    Nope.


    Oh well... thanks for responding.

    I'm digging Armor Wars BTW. I just finished #2 last night.
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      CommentAuthorEndjinn
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2009
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    @JJH - Just took a look at the cover for armour wars, thats a great cover!

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