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			<title type="text">Whitechapel - CLIMATEGATE: It&amp;#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&amp;#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
			<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-24T09:10:00-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-24T09:11:15-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Oddcult</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214</uri>
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			http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

So, a few selectively chosen lines from some leaked/hacked ...
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			<![CDATA[<a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/" >http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/</a><br /><br />So, a few selectively chosen lines from some leaked/hacked emails, quoted without context, utterly and without any shadow of any doubt whatsoever have proved that the theory that global warming is caused by human activity is a big vast left wing hoax.<br /><br />Who'd have guessed? So, it's all over then and the leftist enviromentofascist plot to make people with big cars pay higher taxes has been blown wide open.<br /><br />These emails, relating to some statistical analysis of a series of tree rings and the difficulty in matching the datasets to other measurements, and some creative techniques used to attempt to understand the anomalous information presented, have, pretty much on their own, proven all the other climate models and data anaysis to be a lie and a conspiracy by science-ists.<br /><br />I'm so glad that's all been cleared up. And seeing as it doesn't matter any more, I'm off to light some farts.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-24T13:49:07-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
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			<name>StefanJ</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Now the world can move on to fighting the REAL evil destructive force of our time, ACORN.
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			<![CDATA[Now the world can move on to fighting the REAL evil destructive force of our time, ACORN.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-24T13:59:03-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			The interesting thing here is that the thousand-odd e-mails released are scattered over several years and there seems to be logical pattern to them.

It looks like the hacker scanned the database ...
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			<![CDATA[The interesting thing here is that the thousand-odd e-mails released are scattered over several years and there seems to be logical pattern to them.<br /><br />It looks like the hacker scanned the database for certain key words (like "trick") and posted online everything that matched.<br /><br />So these are the most incriminating e-mails they could find - and they're realyl not very incriminating at all - no mention of the massive global left-wing conspiracy. No mention of the fat money they're ripping off from the suckers.<br /><br />And as with Al Gore's power bill, isn't it nice to once again see how the denialist right is so deeply attached to others right to privacy.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-24T15:40:06-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William George</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7366</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Yeah, I was looking into this situation after my &quot;Never met a wackjob theory I didn't like&quot; friend posted it on his FaceBook. 

It's a few scientists trying their hand at the typical ...
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			<![CDATA[Yeah, I was looking into this situation after my "Never met a wackjob theory I didn't like" friend posted it on his FaceBook. <br /><br />It's a few scientists trying their hand at the typical bullshit high school level politics that passes as "Climate change debate" and getting caught on it. Their reputations have been sullied, but the data remains fine.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-24T20:22:14-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>James Puckett</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Well obviously global warming is BS if scientists have to debate it to figure it out. Everybody knows that the truth is found in the bible and that you only need one person to reveal it while ...
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			<![CDATA[Well obviously global warming is BS if scientists have to debate it to figure it out. Everybody knows that the truth is found in the bible and that you only need one person to reveal it while everyone else nods along.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-24T20:43:35-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>SteadyUP</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			You had me at &quot;science-ists&quot;.
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			<![CDATA[You had me at "science-ists".]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T01:13:14-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Zombi</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7578</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Well, to be perfectly honest, it's not unthinkable that a few scientists have fuelled the fire and made it look slightly worse than it is. Crisis maximization = research $$$.

That the entire thing ...
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			<![CDATA[Well, to be perfectly honest, it's not unthinkable that a few scientists have fuelled the fire and made it look slightly worse than it is. Crisis maximization = research $$$.<br /><br />That the entire thing is a hoax, and that those excerpts prove it? Not likely.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T01:25:53-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
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			&quot;Crisis maximization = research $$$.&quot;

Anybody dumb enough to go into science for the money is too dumb to get a science degree.

Also, 99% of science grants operate on the basis that ...
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			<![CDATA["Crisis maximization = research $$$."<br /><br />Anybody dumb enough to go into science for the money is too dumb to get a science degree.<br /><br />Also, 99% of science grants operate on the basis that the contract is with the institution which pays the individual researchers a fixed salary regardless of what they're working on.<br /><br />Anybody who knows enough computer science to work as a climatologist could make 10 times more (conservatively) working as a quantitative analyst for a Wall Street brokerage.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T05:08:03-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Redwynd</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=653</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Kosmopolit:

I think Zombi's referring to funding for research projects... something that has been in short supply in North America for several years now. The grants you're referring to may not ...
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			<![CDATA[@Kosmopolit:<br /><br />I think Zombi's referring to funding for research projects... something that has been in short supply in North America for several years now. The grants you're referring to may not pay salaries, but research doesn't happen unless someone is footing the bill. That said, I sincerely doubt anyone mentioned in the emails would be stupid enough to try a stunt like this, data theft is being treated pretty seriously these days.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T05:46:48-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-25T05:47:57-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Paul Duffield</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Wow, this should be used as a sample text to study logical fallacies.
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			<![CDATA[Wow, this should be used as a sample text to study logical fallacies.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T06:18:26-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>cornelius.urquhart</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4554</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Now the world can move on to fighting the REAL evil destructive force of our time, ACORN.And JEW DEBIL SOROS!!!!!!!!!!
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote >Now the world can move on to fighting the REAL evil destructive force of our time, ACORN.</blockquote>And JEW DEBIL SOROS!!!!!!!!!!]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T06:29:30-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-25T06:30:30-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>JJH</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7722</uri>
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			What I've never understood is the other side's arguements... Ok, lets say for a second... just for the sake of arguement... that despite the preponderance of evidence: Global Warming doesn't exist. ...
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			<![CDATA[What I've never understood is the other side's arguements... Ok, lets say for a second... just for the sake of arguement... that despite the preponderance of evidence: Global Warming doesn't exist. <br /><br />(I almost typed: Global Frequency doesn't exist)<br /><br />Anyway, lets just say that Global Warming doesn't exist... what is the downside of putting programs into place to ensure that it doesn't end up coming true? <br /><br />Lets say that Bill O'reilly and the bible are right and Al Gore is lying just for attention and that Global Warming is all a big lie... why is having eco-friendly options a bad thing? <br /><br />Are they really that threatened by energy-effiecient lightbulbs?<br /><br />I just don't get it.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T06:58:30-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Fan</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6919</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&gt; I just don't get it. 

Apparently there are people who don't want to do things (replace their lightbulbs), don't want to be taxed (carbon taxes), don't want change (or, only want a certain ...
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			<![CDATA[> I just don't get it. <br /><br />Apparently there are people who don't want to do things (replace their lightbulbs), don't want to be taxed (carbon taxes), don't want change (or, only want a certain sort of change), don't want to lose their jobs (building cars, digging coal), and/or who (sometimes, perhaps depending on the message and/or on the messenger) resent being told what to do.<br /><br />Furthermore, one of the latest headlines is <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2009-11-24-copenhagen24_CV_N.htm" >Price of global warming cuts may stop deal at U.N. meeting</a>. That headline doesn't seem to me to be borne out by the fine print of the article: but still, maybe it's just the headline that matters.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T08:12:10-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Audley Strange</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4475</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Dumb arse head in the sand wankers. I find it weird that the very same reactionaries who deny global warming are the same types that bleat about &quot;think of the children.&quot; Cognitive ...
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			<![CDATA[Dumb arse head in the sand wankers. I find it weird that the very same reactionaries who deny global warming are the same types that bleat about "think of the children." Cognitive dissonance ahoy!<br /><br />The other thing that bewilders me is them going. "Ah it's not man made!" like that's a solution. Even if it wasn't we would need to be retarded to think our current behaviours were not exacerbating it and that since climate change is clearly happening, it's downright insane not to want to adapt. Unless of course all of them are dreaming of a future in which they are "Lord Humungus."]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T08:35:23-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>JJH</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7722</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Unless of course all of them are dreaming of a future in which they are &quot;Lord Humungus.&quot; 

Well... admittedly... who doesn't?
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote >Unless of course all of them are dreaming of a future in which they are "Lord Humungus." </blockquote><br /><br />Well... admittedly... who doesn't?]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T12:21:48-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>StefanJ</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I'm pretty much convinced that nothing will be done until the floods and famines start, and large swathes of the American Midwest are churned into rubble by giant tornadoes.

Of course, the ...
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			<![CDATA[I'm pretty much convinced that nothing will be done until the floods and famines start, and large swathes of the American Midwest are churned into rubble by giant tornadoes.<br /><br />Of course, the die-hards will still blame it all on sunspots, Muslims, and gay marriage.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T12:43:53-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@StefanJ

Gay Muslim sunspots.
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			<![CDATA[@StefanJ<br /><br />Gay Muslim sunspots.]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-11-25T21:21:59-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Rootfireember</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1551</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/11/uk-hack-puts-climate-scientists-personal-e-mails-on-display.ars I believe this ArsTech article puts the emails and what's occurring in them into ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<a href="http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/11/uk-hack-puts-climate-scientists-personal-e-mails-on-display.ars" >http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/11/uk-hack-puts-climate-scientists-personal-e-mails-on-display.ars</a> I believe this ArsTech article puts the emails and what's occurring in them into perspective. However... it's already been touted about as a tale of climate fraud and conspiracy. In the household I'm part of, I've already been an unwilling participant in tales of how the scientists are out to get us, and it's not the first time I've heard such paranoid keening over the dinner table. Science is scary to a lot of people, and seems to be growing comprehensibly complex and pervasive, with 'scientists' not being viewed as human beings, but as more archetypal figures, kept on pedestals and tossed labels according to current whim and fad. Its easier than thinking of them as people, or of science as a process that is constantly changing. <br /><br />I believe the 'threat' of green living comes from a very basic human fear. The fear of the different, and the unknown; and a willingness to lash out at what we don't understand and fear. It's easier to panic and lash out then to put that fear on a leash and try to understand something. In different cultures, the threat level is different; as is the social pressure for living greenly. <br /><br />Anyhow. What I believe we're viewing is a human fear reaction to something different and 'scary'; a scientific community with its guts and offal spread out for the public eye, far from the mythic white-labcoat wearing, pristine and jargon-speaking creature.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205427#Comment_205427" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205427#Comment_205427</id>
		<published>2009-11-26T03:32:06-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Marty Nozz</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6518</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Anyway, lets just say that Global Warming doesn't exist... what is the downside of putting programs into place to ensure that it doesn't end up coming true?

That's why the entire thing is stupid.  ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><br />Anyway, lets just say that Global Warming doesn't exist... what is the downside of putting programs into place to ensure that it doesn't end up coming true?</blockquote><br /><br />That's why the entire thing is stupid.  It's two factions arguing over something that will benefit everyone.  The big problem with the Global Warming thing is the steps that government are wanting to take would actually hurt people and set things back.  Everyone can agree that a clean planet and less pollution are a good thing.  Both sides are cherry picking data to support their arguments.  If our idiots in power wanted to actually do something useful that wouldn't be trying things like Cap and trade which will just make it harder for many people to pay their bills and give tax incentives to companies who are specializing in clean power.  Quit trying to force companies into the mold they want and make them want to do it.  Quit with the stupid scare tactics too.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205440#Comment_205440" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205440#Comment_205440</id>
		<published>2009-11-26T05:28:49-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-26T05:31:55-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>gzapata</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4899</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			^Actually it's not really suppose to raise taxes on people by much at all though it is hard to predict where our technology will be at in a decade or so

*atleast that's what the data says
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[^Actually it's not really suppose to raise taxes on people by much at all though it is hard to predict where our technology will be at in a decade or so<br /><br />*atleast that's what the data says]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205514#Comment_205514" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205514#Comment_205514</id>
		<published>2009-11-26T13:35:44-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I'd go further: cap and trade will reduce taxes for the poor and allow carbon dioxide reduction to be achieved far more cheaply than would otherwise be the case.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I'd go further: cap and trade will reduce taxes for the poor and allow carbon dioxide reduction to be achieved far more cheaply than would otherwise be the case.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205540#Comment_205540" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205540#Comment_205540</id>
		<published>2009-11-26T15:54:12-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>johnjones</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1052</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			How do you figure?  Won't corporations who are required to shell out extra money simply raise their prices and effectively pass the costs onto their customer?  Sure Exxon will need to buy a lot of ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[How do you figure?  Won't corporations who are required to shell out extra money simply raise their prices and effectively pass the costs onto their customer?  Sure Exxon will need to buy a lot of carbon rights, but that can simply hike their prices at the pump.  It's not like everyone in the USA can convert to biodiesel and fill their car up at McDonalds.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205542#Comment_205542" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205542#Comment_205542</id>
		<published>2009-11-26T15:59:50-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;How do you figure? Won't corporations who are required to shell out extra money simply raise their prices and effectively pass the costs onto their customer? Sure Exxon will need to buy a lot ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA["How do you figure? Won't corporations who are required to shell out extra money simply raise their prices and effectively pass the costs onto their customer? Sure Exxon will need to buy a lot of carbon rights, but that can simply hike their prices at the pump."<br /><br />For every buyer there's a seller and vice versa.<br /><br />Exxon buys carbon permits - the companies selling the permits increase profits, pay out more in dividends and can potentially cut prices to undercut theri competitors.<br /><br />If one of the other oil companies needs to buy fewer permits than Exxon they'll undercut Exxon on price and Exxon will need to reduce its dividends or fidn ways to cut its emissions so it needs fewer  permits.<br /><br />Furthermore, pretty much everywhere cap and trade has been proposed, the revenue raised by the government is used to cut taxes on the poor or otherwise compensate them for the higher prices. So if the average increase in costs is $100 a year, people on average wages or less with be compensated by,say, $150.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205546#Comment_205546" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205546#Comment_205546</id>
		<published>2009-11-26T16:30:26-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William George</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7366</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Unless they get together to conspire to keep prices high by manipulating the stock market like they normally do.
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Unless they get together to conspire to keep prices high by manipulating the stock market like they normally do.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205555#Comment_205555" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205555#Comment_205555</id>
		<published>2009-11-26T18:41:34-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Lani</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3573</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Let me preface this by saying that I do believe anthropogenic Global Warming is occurring, and that we need to do something about it immediately.

That said, it's less about going more green being ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[Let me preface this by saying that I do believe anthropogenic Global Warming is occurring, and that we need to do something about it immediately.<br /><br />That said, it's less about going more green being a generally good idea, and more about what kind of a time line we're dealing with.  If GW isn't occurring at all, then we have a much longer time line before dire consequences occur.  If it is not occurring but we think it is, making the necessary changes could potentially wreck economies, and it would be for nothing.  Now, pretending for just a moment that the majority of companies are not just greedy bastards who care more about their current profits than the environmental living conditions for future generations, that is one of the legitimate concerns regarding the research.  That said, it seems like the evidence gathered so far strongly supports that it's happening, so yes, we should do something about it now, even if it hurts us economically...because being economically hurt is better than the nasty nasty deaths that would occur from people panicking, vector-borne (e.g. insect-borne) diseases spreading to areas totally unprepared to diagnose/treat them, and the environment gone generally haywire.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205605#Comment_205605" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205605#Comment_205605</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T03:48:23-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-27T03:52:29-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Marty Nozz</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6518</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Furthermore, pretty much everywhere cap and trade has been proposed, the revenue raised by the government is used to cut taxes on the poor or otherwise compensate them for the higher prices. So if ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<blockquote >Furthermore, pretty much everywhere cap and trade has been proposed, the revenue raised by the government is used to cut taxes on the poor or otherwise compensate them for the higher prices. So if the average increase in costs is $100 a year, people on average wages or less with be compensated by,say, $150.</blockquote><br />That doesn't work.  The revenue raised by the government will be coming from the people.  How are people going to generate $100 per person and get back $150?  This is bad economics.  If the money stays with the people they can pay their bills and maybe buy things.  This will help get the economy back on track.<br /><br />Right now we are not in a position to do things that will hurt us economically.  Cap and Trade will raise prices on energy and there's a lot of people who can't afford it.  It's a bad idea.  Companies do not pay taxes.  Consumers pay taxes.  A company's taxes and figured into the price of the product they produce.<br /><br />There is a legitimate demand for green tech from the public.  Companies recognize this and are racing to produce to meet that demand.  The government needs to butt out and let things take their course.  We won't be able to do anything about the environment if people are more worried about eating and keeping a roof over their head.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205606#Comment_205606" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205606#Comment_205606</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T03:51:44-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-27T03:55:51-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;Companies do not pay taxes. Consumers pay taxes.&quot;

Well then let's abolish all corporate taxes and replace them with higher taxes on individuals.

It'll make absolutely no difference, ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA["Companies do not pay taxes. Consumers pay taxes."<br /><br />Well then let's abolish all corporate taxes and replace them with higher taxes on individuals.<br /><br />It'll make absolutely no difference, right?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205609#Comment_205609" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205609#Comment_205609</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T03:55:48-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-27T03:56:13-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Marty Nozz</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6518</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Well then let's abolish all corporate taxes and repalce them with higher taxes on individuals.

It'll make absolutely no difference, right? 

Don't be silly.  Switch to a national sales tax.  ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<blockquote >Well then let's abolish all corporate taxes and repalce them with higher taxes on individuals.<br /><br />It'll make absolutely no difference, right? </blockquote><br /><br />Don't be silly.  Switch to a national sales tax.  About 22% of the price of everything you purchase is embedded tax.  Have that go directly to the government.  Companies will have more money to grow, expand and hire.  People can start working.  Prices on products stay the same they just go to a different source.  So we can abolish corporate taxes and not put any extra burden on the consumer.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205622#Comment_205622" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205622#Comment_205622</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T04:46:44-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;Right now we are not in a position to do things that will hurt us economically. Cap and Trade will raise prices on energy and there's a lot of people who can't afford it. It's a bad ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA["Right now we are not in a position to do things that will hurt us economically. Cap and Trade will raise prices on energy and there's a lot of people who can't afford it. It's a bad idea."<br /><br />Except that cap and trade won't kick in "right now" it'll take several years to set the system up.<br /><br />Oh and the majority of economists says it'll raise costs very little if at all.<br /><br />But what do they know?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205632#Comment_205632" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205632#Comment_205632</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T05:16:14-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>gzapata</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4899</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Marty Nozz- That's the flat tax right? Wouldn't that put a big burden on the lower and middle class? Would it even get enough money to keep our government running?
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@Marty Nozz- That's the flat tax right? Wouldn't that put a big burden on the lower and middle class? Would it even get enough money to keep our government running?]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205639#Comment_205639" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205639#Comment_205639</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T05:47:35-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William George</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7366</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Companies will have more money to grow, expand and hire

Or pass it all on to the CEOs and shareholders while they cut jobs and beg the government for a bailout. 

The &quot;invisible hand&quot; ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<blockquote >Companies will have more money to grow, expand and hire</blockquote><br /><br />Or pass it all on to the CEOs and shareholders while they cut jobs and beg the government for a bailout. <br /><br />The "invisible hand" is attached to a greedy, untrustworthy asshole.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205760#Comment_205760" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205760#Comment_205760</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T18:25:51-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Marty Nozz</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6518</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@gzapata: Not really a flat tax.  If we went to a national sales tax we could remove the need for income tax.  The current income tax system punishes success as you pay higher percentages the more ...
		</summary>
		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[@gzapata: Not really a flat tax.  If we went to a national sales tax we could remove the need for income tax.  The current income tax system punishes success as you pay higher percentages the more money you make.  This has many faults chief among them is people who don't have money don't create jobs.  By having the sales tax people can take home the money they earn without having the government hanging onto a chunk of it.  They can save it, invest it, pay bills or whatever.  The Government does need money to operate, but there is a lot of needless spending going on, especially with this administration.  The previous one spent too much too.  I'm not saying a national sales tax will be a cure all, but it would be a good start.<br /><br />@William George: I know there's the popular notion the CEOs are evil greedy bastards, but those guys don't last in the long haul.  Profit hording is bad business and those guys get ferreted out.  That whole "too big to fail" notion and government bailouts can go suck it.  That was a massive mistake, but it was one that was largely government generated.  I think there's a lot of animosity towards big business and small business ends up suffering for it.  Think about how small business would benefit from it.<br /><br />@Kosmopolit: That apparently don't know squat since businesses are looking at how it will be affecting them and are opposing it.  University of Missouri is dead set against it.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205766#Comment_205766" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205766#Comment_205766</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T19:20:40-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>ZJVavrek</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4243</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Marty Nozz
Um.  You said businesses were dead set against it, and then gave the example of a ... public research institution?  Okay, I won't say more on that.
See, when you mentioned the national ...
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			<![CDATA[@Marty Nozz<br />Um.  You said businesses were dead set against it, and then gave the example of a ... public research institution?  Okay, I won't say more on that.<br />See, when you mentioned the national sales tax, I didn't realize look at your name and attach "Other side of the debate" to what I was reading, so I just sort of assumed it was a Whitechapeler chiming in with a random extremist comment.  It was kind of funny.  It was still kind of funny when I realized you were serious (which took until this most recent post), but what's more serious is that we're talking tax in a thread about Global Warming.  The Benevolent Overlords might not like this.<br /><br />@Lani<br />Thank you for explaining that.  It has helped me, personally, put the issue into perspective.  A large amount of my support for electric cars comes simply from reducing pollution in cities (to improve quality of life, because I hate how exhaust smells and others must too) and from the ideas of energy efficiency (which are worthwhile but not as necessary without AGW being true.)  I have typically withheld my opinion on the issue of GW or AGW, simply because I'm not familiar with the data beyond An Inconvenient Truth and criticisms of An Inconvenient Truth, but I strongly support many of the same things supported by those who believe that AGW is happening.<br /><br />re: Cap'n Trade.<br />I thought the whole idea was to apply market forces to the issue of reducing pollution?  It's been done before, and successfully.  The government grants or tax breaks to groups which are investigating or producing "clean" "green" "elf" or whatever kind of products (which I believe has been going on—didn't Tesla Motors get a grant or a low-interest loan of some kind?) has the problem that it <em >is</em> the government meddling in business directly and supporters of Captain Trade (such as myself) are concerned about the best solutions not being given the greatest reinforcement when it comes to aid programs.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205769#Comment_205769" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205769#Comment_205769</id>
		<published>2009-11-27T19:30:04-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-27T19:36:14-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;@Kosmopolit: That apparently don't know squat since businesses are looking at how it will be affecting them and are opposing it. University of Missouri is dead set against ...
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			<![CDATA["@Kosmopolit: That apparently don't know squat since businesses are looking at how it will be affecting them and are opposing it. University of Missouri is dead set against it."<br /><br />Businesses against something that might cost them money?<br /><br />Well that proves it!<br /><br />Because as we know businesses are the sole repository of wisdom just as government is the source of all evil in the world.<br /><br />And the University of Missouri, too?<br /><br />Well that sure trumps Lord Stern, John Steiglitz and the majority of living Nobel Economics laureates.<br /><br />I love an ideology that not only tells people being corporate slaves is good for them but tells them to beg their masters to whip them harder.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205805#Comment_205805" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205805#Comment_205805</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T03:57:32-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-28T03:57:47-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Marty Nozz</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6518</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@ZJVavrek:  I was just giving two separate examples of organizations that oppose Cap and Trade being businesses (specifically I'm seeing it from Virginia Dominion Power who have been warning us that ...
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			<![CDATA[@ZJVavrek:  I was just giving two separate examples of organizations that oppose Cap and Trade being businesses (specifically I'm seeing it from Virginia Dominion Power who have been warning us that their costs are going to go up) and a University.  You are right that this discussion is getting away from it's original topic, so I'll bring it back around.<br /><br />We have what we are told and we have what we see.<br /><br />We're told Cap and Trade won't cost much, but I'm seeing letters from the power company and news stories of people opposing the costs.<br /><br />We were told the Stimulus package would create jobs and save the economy, but we're at double digit percentages of unemployment that they said would not happen.<br /><br />We were told manmade Global Warning was as serious threat and we need to stop it "for the children".  Take note everyone:  when you see "for the children" look very closely at what is being presented.  It can be a bit of a red flag.  So, we have a washed up politician in a propaganda piece kicking it off.  We then have separate three summits on Global Warming canceled or postponed due to blizzard.  Then it snows in Peru for the first time in a hundred years.  So it looks fishy.<br /><br />But do note I am all for cleaner energy resources and a cleaner environment.  I don't think the government is going about achieving this in the best possible manner.  I also resent the idea of Global Warming as a scare tactic which is what it's being used as, just as Global freezing and Acid Rain were.  We can save the world, but we don't have to be douchey about it.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205811#Comment_205811" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205811#Comment_205811</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T05:44:43-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-28T05:46:35-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;We're told Cap and Trade won't cost much, but I'm seeing letters from the power company and news stories of people opposing the costs.&quot;

PSA Sends Letter to Congress on Climate Change ...
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			<![CDATA["We're told Cap and Trade won't cost much, but I'm seeing letters from the power company and news stories of people opposing the costs."<br /><br /><blockquote >PSA Sends Letter to Congress on Climate Change and Energy Trading<br />EPSA Sends Letter to Congress on Climate Change and Energy Trading<br /><br />WASHINGTON, D.C. - The Electric Power Supply Association (EPSA) <strong >this week sent a letter to Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works Chairman Barbara Boxer (D-CA) supporting passage of a cap-and-trade bill</strong> to regulate greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) consistent with EPSA's previously released policy principles.<br /><br />Commenting on the letter EPSA President and CEO, John E. Shelk, said "EPSA is proud to have been the first national multi-fuel electricity trade association in January 2007 to support federal legislation to reduce GHG emissions and we look forward to continuing to work with Congress on this historic legislation. <strong >EPSA believes that a market-based approach to GHG regulation provides the best opportunity for innovation and lowest reasonable costs to consumers over the long-term. </strong>Inclusion of our guidelines for allocations to LDCs as well as allowances to merchant coal generators and merchant generators under long-term contracts are necessary to ensure an efficient transition to a lower-carbon economy."<br /><br /></blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.epsa.org/forms/documents/DocumentFormPublic/view?id=11A3C00000001" >Link</a><br /><br />But what would they know?<br /><br /><em >EPSA is the national trade association representing competitive power suppliers, including generators and marketers. These suppliers, <em >who account for nearly 40 percent of the installed generating capacity in the United States</em>, provide reliable and competitively priced electricity from environmentally responsible facilities serving global power markets. EPSA seeks to bring the benefits of competition to all power customers. </em>]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205822#Comment_205822" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205822#Comment_205822</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T07:06:22-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>StefanJ</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=961</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			we need to stop it &quot;for the children&quot;.

Marty, do your hands ever get itchy from handling straw men?

Lead poisoning from all those bullet points?

&quot;Global freezing&quot; . . . ...
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			<![CDATA[<em >we need to stop it "for the children".</em><br /><br />Marty, do your hands ever get itchy from handling straw men?<br /><br />Lead poisoning from all those bullet points?<br /><br />"Global freezing" . . . oh, for cripe's sake. Ya see, I <em >remember</em> that flap, that silly-season scare. I was a teenager. A science nerd. It was based on statistics and was good for a few magazine articles and a NOVA episode. It was never used to scare people. There was never any implication that it was our fault. There was no call to action. That flash in the pan phenom is brought up now by every convention suite libertarian who wants to look level headed and long sighted. You have no fucking shame. <br /><br />"Acid rain?" That was <em >real</em>, dude. The fact that regulation worked and got it under control doesn't mean we shouldn't have been concerned about it.<br /><br />Blizzards canceling conferences means the world as a whole isn't warming up? Anecdotal peanut gallery chatter. See, droughts and oceanic dead zones and melting ice sheets, that long-term frog boil stuff doesn't cancel conferences. If they did -- if cities actually shut down golf courses and put up NO SHOWERS TODAY signs in convention hotels, and pulled fish from the menu -- cripes, the whole blizzard anecdote dropping thing would look tres pathetic.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205825#Comment_205825" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205825#Comment_205825</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T07:18:08-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William George</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7366</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I know there's the popular notion the CEOs are evil greedy bastards, but those guys don't last in the long haul.

Well, only one vampire's mouth can be on a neck at a time...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[<blockquote >I know there's the popular notion the CEOs are evil greedy bastards, but those guys don't last in the long haul.</blockquote><br /><br />Well, only one vampire's mouth can be on a neck at a time...]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205827#Comment_205827" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205827#Comment_205827</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T07:24:08-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>gzapata</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4899</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Well first from my understanding of the Global Freeze (as it was way before my time) the media heard about the some data of the time and hyped it up. Didn't really have many scientists on board. Also ...
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			<![CDATA[Well first from my understanding of the Global Freeze (as it was way before my time) the media heard about the some data of the time and hyped it up. Didn't really have many scientists on board. Also the technology of that time is nothing compared to what we have now. Climate change isn't even a discussion in the science community. Whether it is man made is also not even a discussion. They have a consensus. Does anyone ever wonder why the only people that seem to debate against it are politicians and the media?<br /><br />I also don't understand how people listen to the gas and oil companies on this matter. That's like listening to cigarette companies say their products don't cause cancer.<br /><br />Also the term now used is climate change not global warming specifically so that it may encompass ALL the changes that will be going on not just the warming aspect. The changes are even becoming easily visible by all of us. Anyone else notice the weird weather we've all been getting? Crops not doing well? Glaciers melting? <br /><br />I simply do not understand how people can not believe we can have an effect in the world]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205841#Comment_205841" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205841#Comment_205841</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T08:48:23-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>johnjones</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1052</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Has anyone from the left or right thought to address climate change as a national security issue?  We're in two wars and spending hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have because nineteen ...
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			<![CDATA[Has anyone from the left or right thought to address climate change as a national security issue?  We're in two wars and spending hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have because nineteen guys with knives hijacked some airplanes and crashed them into buildings.  How much actual, direct damage in terms of dollar amounts did 9-11 really do?  Now, how much did hurricane Katrina do?  I'm guessing it did more.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205851#Comment_205851" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205851#Comment_205851</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T10:12:01-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-28T10:14:44-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Verissimus</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Then it snows in Peru for the first time in a hundred years. So it looks fishy.

@martynozz That's not really a scientific method...

&quot;global warming&quot; is not as good a description of ...
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote >Then it snows in Peru for the first time in a hundred years. So it looks fishy.</blockquote><br /><br />@martynozz That's not really a scientific method...<br /><br />"global warming" is not as good a description of what is going on as is "climate change".  The first snow in Peru in a hundred years could well be a sign of climate change, since it is possible that many parts of the world may see extreme cold as well as heat.<br /><br />edit: anyway <em >if</em> climate change is a hoax I would be very, very happy...but I am not insane enough to believe that.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205868#Comment_205868" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205868#Comment_205868</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T11:28:23-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-28T12:35:44-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Fan</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6919</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Some parts of Peru are tall, and they have winter there: so if it preciptates there at all, it can be as snow.

Some high mountains are called &quot;dry&quot; because it doesn't precipitate there ...
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			<![CDATA[Some parts of Peru are tall, and they have winter there: so if it preciptates there at all, it can be as snow.<br /><br />Some high mountains are called "dry" because it doesn't precipitate there at all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_shadow<br /><br />Global warming might increase precipitation: http://www.google.ca/search?q=global+warming+rain<br /><br />So, there's nothing contradictory about global warming causing snow. In Canada in winter it's often too cold to snow: it's clear, sunny, and cold, any moisture having already been frozen out of the air: snow then is something that happens when it gets warmer: when there's warmer, moisture-laden air coming by.<br /><br />In a similar vein, I saw an article somewhere claim that global warming isn't happening, evidenced by there being more ice-bergs than ever in the antarctic ocean: and I thought, "Yeah, there are more icebergs than ever because the freaking glaciers are melting."]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205870#Comment_205870" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205870#Comment_205870</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T11:38:40-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>curb</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1334</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Has anyone from the left or right thought to address climate change as a national security issue?

I don't know, but I think they should be. I've seen more recent articles talking about the same ...
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote >Has anyone from the left or right thought to address climate change as a national security issue?</blockquote><br /><br />I don't know, but I think they should be. I've seen more recent articles talking about the same issue, but <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7365573.stm" >this</a> article from BBC goes some way to illustrate the impact that conflict exacerbated by or caused by climate change is already having:<br /><br /><blockquote >In 2007, 26 million people were driven from their homes by conflict. The effects of climate change - and conflict over limited resources like water, food and land - mean that every year, larger numbers of people are likely to be displaced.</blockquote><br /><br />Given that the consensus seems to be that this problem will get worse before it gets better, I'd agree that climate change should be considered as a national security issue, even before you consider the cost of Katrina style disasters.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205874#Comment_205874" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205874#Comment_205874</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T12:07:03-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-28T12:07:31-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Lani</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3573</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			The DOD has been aware of these potential problems for years, back even before Bush's second term.  I remember reading these articles when them came out in 2004:

The Pentagon's Weather ...
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			<![CDATA[The DOD has been aware of these potential problems for years, back even before Bush's second term.  I remember reading these articles when them came out in 2004:<br /><br /><a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/index.htm" >The Pentagon's Weather Nightmare</a><br /><blockquote >But recently, renowned Department of Defense planner Andrew Marshall sponsored a groundbreaking effort to come to grips with the question. A Pentagon legend, Marshall, 82, is known as the Defense Department's "Yoda"--a balding, bespectacled sage whose pronouncements on looming risks have long had an outsized influence on defense policy.</blockquote><br /><blockquote >Turning inward, the U.S. effectively seeks to build a fortress around itself to preserve resources. Borders are strengthened to hold back starving immigrants from Mexico, South America, and the Caribbean islands--waves of boat people pose especially grim problems. Tension between the U.S. and Mexico rises as the U.S. reneges on a 1944 treaty that guarantees water flow from the Colorado River into Mexico. America is forced to meet its rising energy demand with options that are costly both economically and politically, including nuclear power and onerous Middle Eastern contracts. Yet it survives without catastrophic losses.</blockquote><br />...it runs through a number of other scenarios for other countries as well.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.tompaine.com/Archive/scontent/9882.html" >And this article,</a> which discussed the implications of the previous article:<br /><blockquote >While the content of this release raises the alarm, Marshall is sending multiple messages. The timing of the Fortune article, for instance. For a man of Marshall's long legacy of discretion to directly challenge the current administration's line on global warming at the beginning of a presidential election year speaks volumes. That he chose to do so by releasing a report by respected business consultants in Fortune magazine seems to say he wants the business world, Bush's most important constituency, to understand clearly that the status quo is untenable. </blockquote>]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205884#Comment_205884" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205884#Comment_205884</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T13:53:41-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			&quot;Then it snows in Peru for the first time in a hundred years. So it looks fishy.&quot;

Oh, for fuck's sake, Peru is in the Andes.

They have ski resorts there.


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			<![CDATA[<em >"Then it snows in Peru for the first time in a hundred years. So it looks fishy."</em><br /><br />Oh, for fuck's sake, Peru is in the Andes.<br /><br />They have ski resorts there.<br /><br /><img src="http://s0.fast-sfc.com/resortphotos1/Huascaran.jpg" alt="" >]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205887#Comment_205887" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205887#Comment_205887</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T14:05:44-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			The article Marty is probably basing his &quot;snows for the first time in 100 years line on.&quot;

Almost 250 children under the age of five have died in a wave of intensely cold weather in ...
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			<![CDATA[The article Marty is probably basing his "snows for the first time in 100 years line on."<br /><blockquote ><br />Almost 250 children under the age of five have died in a wave of intensely cold weather in Peru.<br /><br />Children die from pneumonia and other respiratory infections every year during the winter months particularly in Peru's southern Andes.<br /><br />But this year freezing temperatures arrived almost three months earlier than usual.<br /><br /><strong >Experts blame climate change for the early arrival of intense cold which began in March.</strong><br /><br />...<br /><br /><br />The extreme cold, which has brought snow, hail, freezing temperatures and strong winds, <strong >has killed more children than recorded annually for the past four years.</strong><br /><br />...<br />Meanwhile in the capital, Lima, <strong >it has become an annual ritual for businesses and ordinary citizens to donate blankets, clothes and food for the victims </strong>of the cold weather in the south of the country. </blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8146995.stm" >link</a>]]>
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		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7293&amp;Focus=205888#Comment_205888</id>
		<published>2009-11-28T14:10:43-08:00</published>
		<updated>2009-11-28T14:20:38-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Kosmopolit</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Oh and in case anyone thinks one cold winter in one country proves anything:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/warming-trend-seen-in-temperature-records/



Record cold temperatures ...
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			<![CDATA[Oh and in case anyone thinks one cold winter in one country proves anything:<br /><br />http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/warming-trend-seen-in-temperature-records/<br /><br /><img src="http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/images/temps_2med.jpg" alt="" ><br /><br />Record cold temperatures are still occurring in the US - but they're outnumbered 2 to 1 by new record hot temperatures.<br /><br />Surprise, the global weather system is really, really complicated and raising the average temperature by half a degree per decade doesn't mean it gets warmer everywhere continuously and at a constant rate. Just like the summer solstice isn't necessarily the hottest day of the year.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>CLIMATEGATE: It&#039;s okay. Global Warming is all a big fat lie. And there&#039;s proof. Srsly guize.</title>
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		<published>2009-12-06T06:40:58-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-22T12:47:32-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>William George</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7366</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I guess you've all seen this rebuttal by now;


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			<![CDATA[I guess you've all seen this rebuttal by now;<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg" ></a>]]>
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