Not signed in (Sign In)
    •  
      CommentAuthorstsparky
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2009
     (7314.41)
    It's one of those moments when the idea becomes acted on because there is no other choice. Practice goes live ...
  1.  (7314.42)
    I'm coming to love Mark. The clear, sane voice of destruction. Reasoning them into breaking the world.

    A reminder that sometimes chaos wears a a calm face and works logically. I think we have reached tipping point here, the aggression of the forces trying to contain them has forced the freak angels hand. Never back a dangerous animal into a corner eh?

    As for the comment on the last page about wondering if the soldiers have families etc. I had to laugh. I get where you are coming from but it's a comic. Go down that route and you are empathising with the sentries James Bond has to strangle (why won't those bastards just die quietly!) and so forth. I felt far more for the starving wretches the FA community accepted into the fold even after they attacked whitechapel. These were ordinary folks who didn't choose to be caught up in an apocalyptic event. The soldiers at least knew that one day the job would mean trying to gun down an enemy. Even if that enemy is a group of scared teenagers with gifts they haven't had a chance to test.
    • CommentAuthorTwist
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2009
     (7314.43)
    *Flails* Damned cliff hanger type endings >.< Awesome addition this week though.

    I am shiny. We don't do thanks giving here but i don't work Friday's anyway so I had a Friday full of failing to comprehend the meaning of holidays. My friend who has just finished uni for the year is studying for next year and full of love for one of her teachers who answers emails from places over seas late at night and I spent the day trying to figure out what I was writing about for my first essay for art history class that begins on Monday. I think I'm getting my head around it but this is pretty much my first formal study in 8 years, I can't remember how to study, take notes properly or write essays (thank god for the aforementioned friend who will look over my drafts for me) and I'm terrified.

    Today it rained and I cleaned house and napped. So far the weekend is made of success. Tomorrow is reserved for power tools and doctor sketchy's.
  2.  (7314.44)
    @Dotcommunist:
    Why not empathise with the henchmen??
    I suggest you read "Dead Man Fall", in The Invisibles. Or for a lighter look, watch the exploits of Number 21 and Number 24 in The Venture Brothers. Might give you another viewpoint.

    "But it's a comic" doesn't really cut it, I think. If that's the case, why care about any fictional character at all?
  3.  (7314.45)
    @Dotcommunist & Cat Vincent - 'Dead Man Fall' sprang to mind for me. You can pay no attention to the antagonists and not give a toss about them, of course, but then aren't you just reading a story in one dimension? Part of the intrigue of Freakangels for me is that I can't work out whose side I'm on. Yes, it's a comic, but if you're jumping up and down saying 'punch' aren't you a bit like a turkey voting for Christmas? Putting myself into the narrative, that's my world/life/family they're about to destroy. Does their persecution give them the right to commit mass murder?
  4.  (7314.46)
    Here's more agreement. We should take a moment to think about the implication behind the phrase "It's a comic". To me, it seems to be: relax, comics are over-the-top, unrealistic, thrill filled adventures and you should be happy when they make you think at all.

    I don't mean to sound like a rabid snarling beast here (even though I feel like one), especially when I know that Dotcommunist's comments are often thoughtful and astute, but the mere fact that discussing comics is perceived by an intelligent person as an excuse to lower the bar is disheartening.
  5.  (7314.47)
    Paul, where I said 'yes, it's a comic', I should perhaps have said 'yes, it's fiction', which is closer to what I meant. I'm kind of taking it as a given round here that people don't merely percieve them as 'over-the-top, unrealistic, thrill filled adventures'. Over the last five years, I've been moved and stimulated far more by comics than by any other medium and it rarely crosses my mind that some people think otherwise...
    •  
      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2009
     (7314.48)
    "It's a comic/fiction" is no reason to shove down any feelings of compassion. It's not like when we feel sad that someone bites it in a comic we actually assault the writer and demand justice. It's one thing to sit here on the forum and say "aw... I liked him!" and another to actually equate a story point with murder - which NO ONE here is doing.

    Getting to see the police/army officer's eyes gives me just enough time to get the semiotics that this is a real person (as real as any FreakAngel, anyway) that is getting dead. I feel pity and I'm not going to call myself a fool for it. But it's not like I'm mistaking it for real life.
  6.  (7314.49)
    Why not empathise with the henchmen??
    I suggest you read "Dead Man Fall", in The Invisibles

    @ cat vincent

    I'll look it up. I seem to recall enjoying the Invisibles, was reminiscent of Illuminatus!

    The callous disregard of soldiers/henchmen is a source of many good gags in Austin Powers ('he was one day from retirement' being my favourite). In genre fiction and comics I tend to write them off as devices not people unless they are speaking characters or are directly weitten about as anything other than 'soldier no.1.'
    •  
      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2009
     (7314.50)
    Go down that route and you are empathizing with the sentries James Bond has to strangle (why won't those bastards just die quietly!) and so forth.


    You know one of my favorite bits from Grant Morrison's The Invisibles was when he devoted an entire issue to the biography of the life of one of the "random thugs" that King Mob casually gunned down at an earlier point in the series. All life is precious. All life has meaning.
    • CommentAuthorSteadyUP
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2009
     (7314.51)
    This is very close to how I felt when I saw that "Are the FreakAngels the bad guys?" topic. Is anyone the "bad guys"? It's a bunch of people in a mess.
  7.  (7314.52)
    It's a bunch of people in a mess.


    That sums up, for me, the entire history of human life on Planet Earth.

    Now I'm going to cry gently into some scotch.
  8.  (7314.53)
    @johnjones:
    'Dead Man Fall' is that issue of the book.

    Anyway... back to Freakangels.

    The more I see of the flashback sequence, the more I want it to go further back... to see their birth, early childhood - and perhaps even find out what the Package actually was. But at the same time, I'm happy if that's not a part of the story Warren wants to tell!
  9.  (7314.54)
    What I am finding most interesting about Freakangels, as a story, is that is seems to be a detailed and multilayered exploration of what humanity is. Of what it takes to lose, and then to regain, one's humanity. Each of the Freakangels is close to being an avatar of some aspect of self that, at some point or another, has been said to "define humanity." We build things, this makes us human. We care for the sick, this makes us human. We love, this makes us human. We plan ahead, this makes us human. We enforce law, this makes us human.

    Yet it's clear that the Freakangels, if left to pursue their individual threads too far, falls away from humanity. They need each other, sure. But they also need the non-freaks, a fact they are just barely coming around to acknowledging. It's as if the entire of the story of the Freakangels may yet turn out to be the journey from the moment they decided to be something other than human -- the moment we are seeing -- to the moment (as-yet-unseen) where they decide to re-ally themselves with the people whose lives they destroyed.

    I, of course, have no idea if that's the engine running this comic. But given Orbiter, and Global Frequency, it might could be.

    And, in that light, the look into the eyes of the soldier as the purple-eyed kids decide whether he is 'Self' or 'Other' strikes me as a crucial moment in the story.
    • CommentAuthorSteadyUP
    • CommentTimeNov 28th 2009
     (7314.55)
    @Jon - ah, but what a fascinating mess. =)
    • CommentAuthorPooka
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2009
     (7314.56)
    Oh, this is getting really exciting.
    I can't wait for next week!
    Well, this week has been really busy for me actually. Thanksgiving, we ran in like bastards, ate big plates of food, dropped off the kids and sped out of there. We had alot of work to prepare for and I didn't feel like dealing with with horrid cousin of my husband. Who thought the height of comedy was falsely identifying my step daughter as a boy, and asking her if her father's name was Glitter (his family calls him Critter...). and then his mother saying we were bad parents (because I've had a girlfriend before mostly...and because we let the girls watch and read stuff above their "recomended" level...). Anyway, we went home and finished up our costuming for my husband's graduate project. He's doing some photo manip and I had to model as the main character in the first series and a secondary character in the second. Because it took us a while to get a proper camera, and a lot of other crazy delays we had to wait until the middle of a kentucky winter to take the shots, and my costume was, while layered, less warm than my coat. I also had to put my tights and boots on after we got to the shooting location because I really didn't want to hike down to the rock formations in boots that were really a size too big for me. We only managed one of the four set ups that we need, but we got some really good shots (I'll post the raw images once we get the on the computer). We have to go out today and find an old abandoned house (which won't really be that hard in this area. You can't go down any road for too long without finding creepy rotting farm houses and barns.)
    We also went to see 2012. I got what I expected. The plot was predictable,the acting was mediocre, but that's not why you go to see movies like that for. You want to see the world burn. I was impressed by the world destruction...but I thought it needed another twenty minutes of monuments crumbling and people dying in bizarre and unescapable mother naturey doom...
    • CommentAuthormaxowallis
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2009
     (7314.57)
    Um ... I've always been a lurker, I really love Freakangels.

    But on page pg 6, episode 77 there's a spelling mistake in 'practise' it should be 'practice'? Unless I'm completely wrong, which is possible.

    Anyway keep up the amazing work guys :D x
    •  
      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2009
     (7314.58)
    @maxowallis - that's the British spelling. Warren Ellis is British and FA takes place there so... no spelling error. Using a C is alternate spelling Americans typically employ.
    • CommentAuthormaxowallis
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2009
     (7314.59)
    @razrangel - I'm English myself and have never been taught to use the 's' version in schooling, but maybe it's interchangeable these days I'm not sure. Anyway, fair enough.
    •  
      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2009 edited
     (7314.60)
    @maxowallis - hm at your school(s) did they teach it with a "c"? I'm used to the differences in part as a professional copywriter and editor and typically with English writing we would refer to the BBC or British Economist style guides. According to the Economist the C is for the noun "practice" and the S is for the verb. Americans pretty much don't use the s in that way.