Whitechapel - Vat-grown Meat 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206525#Comment_206525 2009-12-01T20:33:12-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Anopheles http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=713 Seems they have the principle down, and the means. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206541#Comment_206541 2009-12-01T22:19:10-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 Yeah, the only real problem to be overcome is that they currently need an animal-based nutrient broth which seems to make the whole thing moot. Won't help me much seeing as my veganism is for ...
Won't help me much seeing as my veganism is for medical reasons.

Still, anyone for long pig?]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206574#Comment_206574 2009-12-02T05:51:15-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 bjacques http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2157 The article says they're working on the nutrient broth part. I wonder about this part: "The Vegetarian Society reacted cautiously yesterday, saying: 'The big question is how could you ...
I wonder about this part:

"The Vegetarian Society reacted cautiously yesterday, saying: 'The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.'"

"Cultured" meat is going to cost more than regular meat at first, and I'd think any company trying to pass off the latter at a premium price would be exposed pretty quickly these days, and the EU at least is pretty strict about product labeling. When the price goes below that of slaughtered meat, it'll simply drive the latter off the market.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206580#Comment_206580 2009-12-02T07:16:51-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 If they can make it taste good I’ll eat it. Especially in the case of pork; factory farmed pork is really only edible if converted to a spiced sausage, but getting all my pork from boutique pork ... Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206583#Comment_206583 2009-12-02T07:53:40-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 costa_k http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6592 Honestly, if anyone can REALLY tell the difference through taste between a vat-grown porkchop and one carved off some bleeding and squealing living bacon factory, I'll eat my goddamn hat. As long as ... Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206585#Comment_206585 2009-12-02T08:13:27-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 keyofsilence http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7294 If they can make a steak that looks and tastes like a regular steak, then I'll eat it. Damn I love steak. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206629#Comment_206629 2009-12-02T12:59:02-08:00 2009-12-02T12:59:28-08:00 lampcommander http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4529 If the organic war has proved anything*, it's that You Will Always Notice the Difference. But I'm interested, maybe I'll end up liking it more. *EDIT: and constant failed diet sodas, on and on
*EDIT: and constant failed diet sodas, on and on]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206684#Comment_206684 2009-12-02T15:16:09-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Oddcult http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214 RON JEREMY COCK CELL STEAK JENNA JAMESON NIPPLE BURGER OM NOM NOM Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206685#Comment_206685 2009-12-02T15:17:12-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Oddcult http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214 Sorry. Just thinking about the 'porn drives new technologies' thing. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206688#Comment_206688 2009-12-02T15:20:02-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Ethan Ede http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7656 I will try any food item at anytime. I will eat any animal, endangered, vat grown, or otherwise. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206692#Comment_206692 2009-12-02T15:23:49-08:00 2009-12-02T15:25:12-08:00 Audley Strange http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4475 @Oddcult I've got you rumbled, you were attempting Hiaku hah ha! Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206697#Comment_206697 2009-12-02T15:47:29-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Oddcult http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214 Nah, I just want longpig and reckon that's the only way to get it to market. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206707#Comment_206707 2009-12-02T16:41:17-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Audley Strange http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4475 I've heard an urban rumour from North Korea that it's available at some markets. I also recall a story back in the late 90's about a rural Russian woman who's dog was found choking after she fed it a ... must be stated.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206904#Comment_206904 2009-12-03T12:18:15-08:00 2009-12-03T12:19:43-08:00 Verissimus http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379 Now I want to live in a world where I can eat human meat. .... I mean without the guilt that usually plagues me after doing so. edit: on that note, does anyone think Warren would allow ...
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I mean without the guilt that usually plagues me after doing so.

edit: on that note, does anyone think Warren would allow another IDNNTST thread??]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=206915#Comment_206915 2009-12-03T12:57:56-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 icelandbob http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250 well it´s good to know that in the future we won´t run out of Doner meat... Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207072#Comment_207072 2009-12-04T05:09:55-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Pooka http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=216 according to my ex girlfriend, eating too much meat of your species can cause horrid brain diseases... Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207074#Comment_207074 2009-12-04T05:14:26-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 It might actually be more useful to produce vat grown fish meat. Cattle aren't endangered, blue fin tuna are.
Cattle aren't endangered, blue fin tuna are.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207170#Comment_207170 2009-12-04T11:41:33-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Brendan McGinley http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93 Yeah, great point. The wastefulness of modern commercial fishing is insane. This might give the oceans a chance to bounce back. Save the Maryland blue crab, et al. Though it means I'll never ...
Though it means I'll never become a whaler like my great-great-grandpa. Oh. Wait, that's a good thing.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207197#Comment_207197 2009-12-04T13:54:37-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 It might actually be more useful to produce vat grown fish meat. That one would probably be pretty tough given that we eat carnivorous fish. Getting the nutrients in a manner that doesn’t damage ... It might actually be more useful to produce vat grown fish meat.

That one would probably be pretty tough given that we eat carnivorous fish. Getting the nutrients in a manner that doesn’t damage existing feed fish stocks the way other forms are fish farming do might not be so easy.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207211#Comment_207211 2009-12-04T15:56:09-08:00 2009-12-04T16:02:55-08:00 Verissimus http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379 Not all the fish we eat are carnivorous. Tilapia can thrive on a vegetarian diet. And those magical omega 3 fatty acids from fish like tuna and salmon can also be found in walnuts or linseed oil...
And those magical omega 3 fatty acids from fish like tuna and salmon can also be found in walnuts or linseed oil...]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207214#Comment_207214 2009-12-04T16:06:49-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 It'd probably be moderately less damaging that current aquaculture practises. Then again there's those massive schools of Nomura jellyfish popping up due to global warming and the fact we've eaten ...
Seriously doubt the people paying $1000 a kilo for Tuna sashimi would go for the vatgrown version though.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207216#Comment_207216 2009-12-04T16:18:07-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Fan http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6919 And those magical omega 3 fatty acids from fish like tuna and salmon can also be found in walnuts or linseed oil DHA comes from algae, apparently: fish get it from algae. There are DHA food ... And those magical omega 3 fatty acids from fish like tuna and salmon can also be found in walnuts or linseed oil

DHA comes from algae, apparently: fish get it from algae. There are DHA food supplements being made directly from algae: suitable for vegetarians, and incidentally without the toxins which bioaccumulate in fish.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207268#Comment_207268 2009-12-05T00:34:22-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Oddcult http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214 Bamboo's a fast growing and readily available nutrient, right? I'm sure you know where I'm going here. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207269#Comment_207269 2009-12-05T00:34:44-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Oddcult http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214 Also, Eucalyptus. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207300#Comment_207300 2009-12-05T09:23:37-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Brendan McGinley http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93 My understanding is even though bamboo's super fast, it's tough to process. It just doesn't break down, ever. That's why biodiesel types go for algae, which is already sludge. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207302#Comment_207302 2009-12-05T09:32:59-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Slick http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5354 @Brendan that spoils the pandaburger joke though Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207305#Comment_207305 2009-12-05T09:55:33-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Oddcult http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=214 How about plankton? Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207385#Comment_207385 2009-12-05T16:09:21-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 Still thinking through some stuff here. If they can get the texture right, this would be great for all the game meats and luxury meats. In principle it shouldn't cost more to grow cultured ...
If they can get the texture right, this would be great for all the game meats and luxury meats. In principle it shouldn't cost more to grow cultured pheasant; quail; lobster, venison etc than pork or beef.

Whale meat - this could take away just about the last excuse the Japanese have for continued whaling.

Pate: let's face it, texture isn't going to be an issue.

Caviar: this is a big step up in complexity because you'd need to grow whole ovaries rather than just an undifferentiated muscle mass but this might save the Beluga sturgeon.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207393#Comment_207393 2009-12-05T16:53:09-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 If this brings down the cost of luxury meats they’ll cease to be luxury meats. Just as the wealthy stopped buying most of Mercedes and BMWs offerings when the C Class and 3 Series took the brands ... Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207645#Comment_207645 2009-12-07T07:40:33-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Verissimus http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3379 Seriously doubt the people paying $1000 a kilo for Tuna sashimi would go for the vatgrown version though. Yeah, that's an interesting question. Is there a subconscious part of us that appreciates ... Seriously doubt the people paying $1000 a kilo for Tuna sashimi would go for the vatgrown version though.

Yeah, that's an interesting question. Is there a subconscious part of us that appreciates eating meat more because they know it's from a creature that was once alive? Which appreciates the "taste"of the cruelty?

The story of the food is important when we buy it and when we consume it. Many people simply reject any food which they feel is artificial, even when that is a positive thing. They like authenticity in their food and psychologically that influences the way it tastes to them.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207649#Comment_207649 2009-12-07T08:01:50-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Ben Klumaster http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2723 On the other hand, you just have to launch it on the back of some foot-and-mouth/BSE/swine flu (yes I know you can't catch swine flu from meat but it would still work) type panic. The advantage of ... Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207679#Comment_207679 2009-12-07T09:26:34-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 "Is there a subconscious part of us that appreciates eating meat more because they know it's from a creature that was once alive?" I think it's more the snob appeal. There'll always ...
I think it's more the snob appeal.

There'll always be people who insist the real stuff tastes better, like there are people who pay hundreds of dollars for gold loudspeaker leads.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207771#Comment_207771 2009-12-07T16:41:17-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 James Puckett http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2911 They like authenticity in their food and psychologically that influences the way it tastes to them. People like authenticity because that’s what they’re told to buy. From the 1950s to the ... They like authenticity in their food and psychologically that influences the way it tastes to them.

People like authenticity because that’s what they’re told to buy. From the 1950s to the 1980s people were told to buy all kinds of horrible processed crap. Twinkies, instant coffee, American cheese, frozen fish sticks, etc., people ate that shit up because that’s what the food industry told them to buy. Then the organic craze hit, and big agriculture realized it could make more money selling people organic foods. Two decades and millions of dollars in advertising later and people are paying extra to get specialty foods that are little if not at all different from what they were buying before.

It’s the same with music. Pop and hair metal tanked, so the record industry spewed out gangsta-rappers and grunge bands and made a fortune selling it all as real or alternative. When pop tanked just a few years ago they did it again with stripped down rock bands like Jet, the White Stripes, etc.. Each time people ate it up because there were lots of people telling them that it was authentic and better and what they needed.

So all industry needs to make vat-grown food work is a profit motive. As soon as vat-grown meat that tastes good and costs less to make than the real stuff is ready to go the campaigns will start. It will be safer—Grown in Sterile Hydroponic Food Systems!—more consistent—Tastes Perfect Every Meal!—healthier—Always Low in Fat!—easier to cook—No Bones or Chunks of Fat!—and so on. People will get these messages from every media system, slowly replacing the organic/free range messages, and in a few decades only cranks will still eat dead animals.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207786#Comment_207786 2009-12-07T18:54:40-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Finagle http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254 I don't think it'll be *cranks* exactly who only will still eat dead animals - but the same people who eat beef tartare now might. A foodie thing. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207825#Comment_207825 2009-12-07T23:51:14-08:00 2009-12-08T06:32:41-08:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 It will be safer—Grown in Sterile Hydroponic Food Systems!—more consistent—Tastes Perfect Every Meal!—healthier—Always Low in Fat!—easier to cook—No Bones or Chunks of Fat!—and so ... It will be safer—Grown in Sterile Hydroponic Food Systems!—more consistent—Tastes Perfect Every Meal!—healthier—Always Low in Fat!—easier to cook—No Bones or Chunks of Fat!—and so on.

"Good for you and good for the planet."]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=207849#Comment_207849 2009-12-08T04:03:17-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 IsaacSher http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1930 Or the obvious catering to vegetarians. "This steak is pain-free." Or portray slaughtered real meat as messy, gross, dirty, and morally inferior to "Perfect Pork", ... Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=208070#Comment_208070 2009-12-09T03:37:57-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Pooka http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=216 bwhaha! Freedom Chicken...heh Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=208092#Comment_208092 2009-12-09T07:55:30-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 IsaacSher http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1930 Oh, you know they'll have cute names for it. "Vat-grown meat" just sounds icky. I used to be a receptionist at an Advertising Agency, they're *all* about "branding", like a ...
Porkette? Life Lobster? Super Steak?

Now it's starting to sound like the Legion of SuperFoods...]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=208102#Comment_208102 2009-12-09T08:59:52-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Brendan McGinley http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93 And then of course... There's Numeat.
There's Numeat.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=208146#Comment_208146 2009-12-09T13:03:31-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 costa_k http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=6592 @ IsaacSher I would read "Legion of SuperFoods". In a heartbeat.
I would read "Legion of SuperFoods". In a heartbeat.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=208162#Comment_208162 2009-12-09T15:13:53-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 Brendan, care to enlighten those of us not on Myspace? Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=208194#Comment_208194 2009-12-09T19:15:33-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Brendan McGinley http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=93 It's a Dark Horse Presents piece about vat-grown meat turning people into flesh-eating ghouls. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=208208#Comment_208208 2009-12-09T21:21:45-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 callisto23 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5765 I am not excited about eating Synthespam, but vat-grown live meat shows great promise for the adult novelty business. Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=212236#Comment_212236 2010-01-05T22:52:38-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Baldanders http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7912 Speaking of novelty, I'm surprised the idea of "exotic meats" hasn't been brought up. Most people consider eating certain types of animals immoral, even if they are fine with eating other ...
And, of course, there's human meat, if people ever get past the sticky ethical issues. I'll be honest, if there was a way to create vat-grown human meat that was absolutely proven to be totally safe to eat, I'd give it a try. I'd eat a man-burger. I believe there was an establishment in transmetropolitan that served vat-grown human meat.]]> Vat-grown Meat http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=7348&Focus=212282#Comment_212282 2010-01-06T04:37:45-08:00 2013-06-19T21:25:53-07:00 Kosmopolit http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1346 Another random thought - I wonder how the Chinese apothecary trade would feel about vat-grown tiger penis or bear bile?