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CommentAuthorwarrenellis
- CommentTimeJan 30th 2008
So it's out today in the USA, Thoughts, comments, spare change etc?
HUGE GUT-EXPLODO SPOILERS BEYOND THIS POINT, OBVIOUSLY.
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We've already sold out. They were on the shelf less than an hour (also sold the last Fell in stock). The art is great (the covers are much better in person). Anyway off to work again.
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CommentAuthorJosé Borges
- CommentTimeJan 30th 2008
Loved the dialogue between the two military types. I did find the fight scene a bit hard to follow - I'll have to take a closer look at it later, but it seemed overloaded with details for the size of some of the panels. Best thing I've read this week, though. -
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- CommentAuthorRogan Gosh
- CommentTimeJan 30th 2008
1. I love the art and the discussion from the military guys.
2. Great entrance by John at the end.
3. I too found that fight scene hard to follow. I know Zoe got attacked by another speedster However, it also appeared as if he died but from what I could not tell. Zoe had her gun out but all we see is the new gun's severed feet.
4. I am 80% convinced now that Tom is dead; although I hope not because no one would be around to kill
Frank Blacksmith and that fucker must die!
5. I wonder at this point about the differences between the new guns and the old ones. In this issue, two of the new guns appear to have been killed before the battles begun (the speedster and the one Dominic fell on). If that is the case, I doubt that they could handle John Horus.
In one of the earlier issues, Frank Blacksmith states that he has pinged Tom's implants and received an inoperative response. Well, that was clearly not the case. It makes you wonder about Frank Blacksmith's understanding of the technology or about whether Tom Noir had modifications or alterations in the technology that no one knows about; which would in turn give some hope that Tom is still alive -
Great discussion between Frank and katherine regarding her desire to just eliminate the bad element in society. Those that deserve to die should simply just die. With two issues left who wants to bet a Zoe vs. Katherine fight or another internal fight that does not involve Horus?
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I'm from Frederick, Maryland-- where Fort Detrick is located. I've spent 90% of my life within a mile of the thing.
I have to say-- my little town has become Spook City, USA.
Detrick has been America's big biodefense and chemical warfare base for a while. We have a ton of military scientists and doctors in the town, and it's gotten even crazier since Bechtel moved their HQ here a few years back. Bechtel is the biggest supplier of Non-Operational Cover (NOCs) to covert CIA agents here and abroad. The confluence of a major military/science base and the world's biggest engineering/shadow government corporation has turned our little farm and lumber town into the world's center for biological research and chemical warfare. We've also got a particularly fucked-up cancer rate, as I can personally testify.
I can go on if anyone is interested. MK Ultra, anyone? Anthrax? Bueller? -
At the store I bought this from, as I was getting ready to leave with Black Summer (and Templesmith's new Wormwood and Suburban Glamour), two of the sales staff were having a discussion.
Guy One: What about Black Summer?
Guy Two: I think I like the story better than the art. The art is really busy.
Guy One: Yeah, a lot of the pages look crowded.
Haven't read the new one yet, but that's my general opinion as well. The art is gorgeous and really hard to follow. -
The good stuff keeps on rolling, the Frank/Katherine discussion was excellent, particularly as I just finished up Death Note and had it spark off a little bit of What If?
As to story vs art, I'm finding that the amount of detail is actually making me pay more attention to it, slowing things down and taking time to absorb it, rather than firing right through each issue. -
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CommentAuthorSpiraltwist
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008
I feel like a need to read the book again because there was so much to take in, art & story wise. Great job, all around. -
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Check out Crecy for another good example of dense art that works, just like Black Summer.
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Yeah, I'm in the camp that thought the scene with Zoe & the other speedster was a bit confusing. Beautiful...but confusing.
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I'm a huge fan of this series and have the shot glass to prove it, The last page was excellent, and I'm convinced Tom Noir is still alive, Ellis wouldn't kill a drunk one legged man he just wouldn't.
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Pretty damn good. Some of the art is so full it's difficult to really see what's going on (like the aforementioned speeder fight), but it's still beautiful and the story's fantastic. -
I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.Just got number 5 yesterday and I must say it was one of the best comics I have ever read. I am more of a story than art guy but the art in this is perfect for the type of story.
I found that the hard to follow combat scenes give you the feeling of what combat is really like where you don't know what's going on or where exactly you are taking fire from.
You just get to cover and hope it is between you and the enemy. Combat with speedsters would be even worse. My guess is Zoe fired at the place where she least wanted the speedster to be
(because that is where a competent enemy usually is)and got lucky.
Of course I fell madly in love with Kathrine this issue. A beautiful woman who is an Olympic marksman ,a motercyclist and a HISTORIAN and who believes that some people need to be put down like dangerous dogs! It is like Warren specifically made my dream woman.
The conversation between the General and Bob was also very very well done. It was also one of the most succinct evaluations of the 2 Iraq wars I have ever heard.
Issue 5 totally blew me away.
Of course Tom is alive ,he is to good a character to not have a bigger role and better death. Like Andre said ,He is a one legged drunk there is no Way Ellis would kill him at least not without making it really painful. -
- CommentAuthorTechnocratJT
- CommentTimeFeb 1st 2008 edited
For me, I actually think my favorite thing has become the motivation behind the characters, the flash backs say an awful lot of what type of people would make these choices and underscore the fact the each has chosen a guiding morality long before John Horus went to the logical (for him) conclusion. As for the Art, I think Ryp's art is entirely clear, though it is helped to no end by Mark's colors. I always liked Ryp's art, but the coloring here raises it to a new level for me.Of course I fell madly in love with Kathrine this issue. A beautiful woman who is an Olympic marksman ,a motercyclist and a HISTORIAN and who believes that some people need to be put down like dangerous dogs! It is like Warren specifically made my dream woman.
Looks to some of the people on the forum who have heard a bit about the women I end up with. You would laugh damn hard if you had an idea Unsub, you really would..... -
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CommentAuthorAndre Navarro
- CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
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- CommentAuthorDavid xvx Ludd
- CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2008
Katherine scared the shit out of me. I've heard a few people call the Authority a liberal-rage comic...well, with her, Ellis captured the rage of the crazed American right disturbingly well. -
Good stuff, particularly the analysis of the difference between the first Iraq war and the 'street mugging writ large' that the second one started out as. I also enjoyed seeing 2 of the new guns taken down with relative ease, which was a nice twist after they were given such a sinister introduction last issue. On t'other hand, I'm starting to feel that John Horus is being a little overused. I'd rather have not seen him at all in this issue - I think that less is always more when you're dealing with someone so ridiculously powerful. I worry that seeing too much of him at this stage will lessen the impact of the climax when it comes. Which, I predict, will involve the return (in some form) of Tom Noir.
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I'm enjoying how the premise is playing out and the pyrotechnics but I find the pace a bit hard, lightning fast sections and quick cuts interspersed with lengthy flashbacks and political conversation. It's interesting, but kinda tricky reading.
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I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.JTraub now you have peaked my curiosity. I get this thought in my head ,cue movie intro music and voice "He is a lefty liberal lawyer ,she is a protestant trust fund brat who took a job with Homeland Security and together they are the mod odd couple" He is in the NAACP and she is in the NRA. He rides a bike to work while she takes a govt Yukon with armoyur and run flats that gets worse mileage than a brinks truck. I could go on.
As far as Horus being over used I thought it wasn't to bad. He was gone for quite a while and now that he is back it is with a very dramatic entrance.
Speaking of dramatic the new guns entrance was dramatic showing up behind the door but not very tactically smart. When I go to the trouble to ambush someone
I like to have them walk into an enclosed space with no cover and interlocking fields of fire and no chance of friendly fire. I guess the super dudes do things differently though.
I did not think Kathrine was crazed at all (but then I wouldn't). Some people cannot be saved or rehabilitated and should be put down because leaving them alive is to dangerous.
This whole concept of right and left is flawed. The right wants no compassion and extreme punishment for everyone while the left wants to rehabilitate everyone when it is common sense to rehabilitate the ones that can be saved and deal with the rest in as efficient a way as possible. The way it is done now where we give drug offenders 40 years and put sexual sadists into programs.
It is people with guns who refuse to give them up that keep you free. If it wasn't for us the government could take all the rest of your rights away and there would be nothing you could do about it. Vote maybe? like the black people in Florida did? Protest? worked well in China. With an armed populace the government can only get away with so much but once they have been disarmed all it takes is one bad government and you have a permanent nation of slaves. Worse things like ethnic cleansing and genocide become easy.
That's why I love this book. I know I am reading my own views into it but I see it as someone who sees something that needs changing and taking the responsibility to do it.
I got the same thing from the Authority. Having the balls to take action does not automatically make you a fascist. There is no reason that you can't make things better.
Look at Cuba. It was everything bad about US supported dictators with 99% of the population living in poverty and the rest sucking them dry for all they were worth on behalf of US Sugar and other corporations. Now it is not perfect but it is a thousand times better than it was and a millions times better than Haiti. The only way you can fix something without force or the threat of force is if they were not that bad to begin with. End rant bring it on JTraub I know you love it.