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    They actually use classical music as a detterent in some Tube stations in london, to stop the kids from hanging around and scaring people... it works.
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      CommentAuthorVespers
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2008
     (775.102)
    Yeah, and in public spaces and near bus stops here in NZ too. I'm still a teenager and damn me, it's not the classicalness of it that's driving me away, it's that it's Muzak of classical music. It kills me.
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      CommentAuthorliquidcow
    • CommentTimeFeb 15th 2008
     (775.103)
    I think a lot of people think they don't like Classical music because they've only heard the overplayed 'classic' like bits of Mozart or Bach, or other bits that are either boring or don't make sense without knowing a bit about them. There's a fair bit of classical music out there that I think people would like if they came across it. Maybe it's just me. But I guess if it keeps the hoodie kids out of tube stations then that's good.
  4.  (775.104)
    I like so-called "dark" psy trance. Some of that stuff can be pretty extreme. And the thing is, it goes on for a whole night (as in, until sunrise or later), or a whole weekend, or a whole WEEK of non-stop punishing loony crazy shit. Not like those metal bands that only play a half hour set.
  5.  (775.105)
    ive never heard extreme, punishing trance- any suggestions of where to start?

    also, i kinda forgot about this thread. its nice to read everybody (well, everbody that ACTUALLY had something to say) having differing opinions and not just getting into a bitch fight.

    as i mentioned in another thread, the new (and final) DYSTOPIA LP came out this week, and it kind of exemplifies some of the sentiments in this thread. when their last output was released, it was still fringe-y. while this new album is brutal and stompingly good, it feels a lot less removed from a lot of "modern" metal/hardcore. while it is interesting to see where the doomcrust genre has come, and where its influences have taken root, it also weirds me out to hear things that are musically related to dystopia getting popular singing about bullshit, while the crusty, almost homeless oakland gangsta core mutherfuckers are still putting out a serious record about modern life crushing our spirits and bodies. i didnt have a point really, i just figured that rant would fit in well here moreson than other threads.

    oh, and i dont think you meant it condescendingly, but does it actually matter how long a performance is? i have seen power violence and grind bands play for ten minutes, and it is just as, if not more, intense than some 3 hour (let alone 3 day) stretched out endurance-fest
  6.  (775.106)
    seeing Narcosis play maybe 35-30 minutes of just about nonstop grindcore was one of the most impressive things i've ever seen.

    I've been to a few psy-trance squat parties, and don't get me wrong, it's pretty extreme to take lots of drugs and party for 2 to 3 days, but it's not exactly comparable. dj's wouldn't exert the same amount of energy as say a drummer or guitarist over the same period of time.

    innit.
  7.  (775.107)
    http://myspace.com/orestismusic
    http://www.myspace.com/derangomusic
    http://www.myspace.com/megalopsy
    http://www.myspace.com/zikmuzik

    Should get you started nicely.

    @oftandiscord:
    um, so what if someone exerts a lot of energy on stage? Does it somehow make the music coming out of the speakers that much more intense, that someone is sweating?
  8.  (775.108)
    no, but you were talking specificly about how long an act plays for... a half hour set compared with a week long set?
  9.  (775.109)
    my mom will probably freak out at slayer


    Well - I freak out listening to Girl's Aloud... Y'know...

    ... I let my hair down, grab a hair brush and shake my tooshie all night lo-- uh... I mean bash my head open. Yeah.

    However, if you want extreme in terms of "set" length then Wagner's Ring Cycle is probably where it's at.

    If we gloss over the fact that he was a pusedo-nazi screwball, of course.

    Having problems with it? Then try this aptly titled little beauty.

    Can you believe that?
  10.  (775.110)
    I've wagners Ring Trilogy on vinnyl, i think there's 16 discs in total!
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      CommentAuthorliquidcow
    • CommentTimeFeb 16th 2008
     (775.111)
    Was Wagner actually a Nazi? I thought the deal with him was more that his music was appropriated by the Nazis, hence it has associations with the Holocaust, which is why Jewish people tend not to listen to it. I don't know that much about him, I know he was fairly nihilistic about people in general, but I didn't think he was actually a Nazi.
  12.  (775.112)
    Well anti-semitism was not exactly uncommon in 19th century Europe. You can't apply modern rules to people from the past.

    If he had anti-semitic opinions they were just 'of the time' and I don't think we should bother being squeamish about it and try to judge him by the standards of 2008.
  13.  (775.113)
    Was Wagner actually a Nazi? I thought the deal with him was more that his music was appropriated by the Nazis


    I think that was more the ideas of the philosopher Nietzsche who was an old friend (and eventual enemy) of Wagner. His own sister, Elizabeth, gave away his works to the later Nazi regime after his death in 1900. The reason they stopped being friends was because Wagner was extremely antisemetic (plus he was all into weird folk-lore-type stuff). Wagner was a Proto-Nazi, his ideas were instrumental in forming the idea/concept/manifesto/whatever of the Nazi party.

    If he had anti-semitic opinions they were just 'of the time' and I don't think we should bother being squeamish about it and try to judge him by the standards of 2008.


    I'm only stating what I learnt about Wagner at university from a couple of lectures (I'm certainly no authority). However, there has been antisemitism (and racism for that matter) for... well, for forever and it is clearly still very much about. Sure the media frowns upon it and anyone with half a brain does too but I'm always suprised by what comes out of some folks mouth.

    So... since racism is still all around us now does that make it okay since it's 'of the time'?

    I know you can't judge the past by today's standard. Just food for thought.
    • CommentAuthorPhro
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2008
     (775.114)
    antisemitism is still all around us as well...as well as homophobia...

    so, while i think it would be a damn shame to throw wagner out for being antisemitic, i think it would behoove us to be free and open about it. Just like we need to admit that the gangsta rap market thrives on homophobia and misogyny, while still being able to appreciate whatever artistic achievement it harbors.

    So, what i'm saying is that, while no, racism is not okay, we need to be prepared to just a work on its artistic value, whether or not we agree with it's message. That does not mean, however, that we need to accept it's message... I not proposing mindlessness (some call it open-mindedness) but rather critical thought. Eminem is actually a fairly talented rapper (in my opinion, of course, certainly not as good as any number of other rappers, but he does have talent), but he simply has nothing worth saying to say.

    (okay, maybe that was a bad example...)
  15.  (775.115)
    If we gloss over the fact that he was a pusedo-nazi screwball, of course.


    Agreed!
  16.  (775.116)
    Even by the standards of the day , Wagner was an anti-semitic shitbag , and some of his operas deal so explicitly in the Norse/German glamour myths
    the Nazis loved that huge chunks of his work definitely feel tainted.

    However , Tristan and Isolde , the Cornish/Irish love story , is one of the most intense and moving pieces of music and events I've seen...five hours of foreplay
    and tension finally resolved in a deathgasm of utter beauty....I'm just off to wash my hands .
  17.  (775.117)
    wow, this got ridiculously off subject.....the FUTURE not the PAST.
  18.  (775.118)
    I'm listening to the Swans side project Body Lovers right this second.

    And damn if you can't see where the likes of KK Null and Boris get their ideas from.
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      CommentAuthorTheremina
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2008 edited
     (775.119)
    I dunno if he's exactly in line with a lot of the folks being brought up, but I think Scott Walker's "The Drift" is probably one of the most terrifying things I've heard in years. (Doesn't get much more extreme than meat-punching.)
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      CommentAuthorTheremina
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2008 edited
     (775.120)
    Also, Idiot Flesh is getting back together. Listen to "Let the Dog Sing."

    The new shit's going to be insane.

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