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    Hilarious and great stuff taking apart religion, history, and superheroes. Loved the bit about Russia and its government. And the fact the narrator is mad (and I believe at this stage wired up on a lot of drugs and booze).
    • CommentAuthorGraizur
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2010
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    I liked the guy made out of little peices of black squares who sees the multiverse though time and interacts with the narrator and the reader. Would rather he be the narrator. Also why no pantheons? No Divine families and also no MotherGods.

    Also wtf. Why can't some one just write a story about a cosmic particle inseminating Mary and go from there?

    I get it many wannabe messiahs were crucified that year.
    Many cults started.
    Nicene Creed, Rome, King James's wives, Egyptian myth paralellels. Ok I get it. But seriously, Warren I feel like you are deteriorating. God of the Cities, Spider Jerusalem, Spirit of the 20ths century.

    You quite on Tom Noir too early IMO. Makes me sad.
    • CommentAuthorDoktor B
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2010
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    Who is the "uninjured superhuman" that Reddin refers to when he talks to his boss on the next-to-last page?

    I don't think he means Morrigan Lugus; Reddin is hoping, after all, that the superbeings will all "blow each others' brains out."

    Could this mean that the Brits have <em>another</em> superhuman in reserve?
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      CommentAuthorcurb
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2010 edited
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    @Doktor B - I think Reddin was referring to Lugus, who if all goes to plan ( ! ) will survive the parlay with Krishna, letting Britian sit out the fight between the other supers whilst keeping their own god intact.

    Other than last issue's scene with Jerry Craven casually tearing his face off, I've not found this story particularly funny, but rather creepy instead. No bad thing though, I'm enjoying it all the same. Dajjal's interjection into the narrative was some spooky fun, and I like that the revamped Russian super looks like exactly the kind of nationalistic folk legend warrior I'd expect. Hoping that the Somalian pirate state god gets some more screen time before this is all played out.
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      CommentAuthorcelan
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2010
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    I'm with Jeff Owens on this...although the longevity of Batman's nads is questionable. The haters can make their own comics.
    Totally reads as comedy. I like it.
    The only thing I don't like about Supergod is waiting for the next ish.
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    Just read it yesterday, sorry to come in so late in the discussion.

    I like the narrative style of Supergod in general; it manages to move the story along at a good pace without making me feel like I'm missing anything. The narrator is so far the most interesting character in the book as far as I'm concerned. This issue was interesting because I felt the wall cracking. We're seeing the "gods" speak for themselves, which while it's still filtered through a narrator, feels stark, foreboding and apocalyptic. It reminds me why when angels show up the first thing they have to say is "Fear not".

    Morrigan's speech wasn't particularly mind blowing to me, mostly because I debate the mind-body connection, religion and biological predetermination all the damn time on the internet (I'm so fucking intellectual, I tell you). That said, I thought it was pretty well delivered and seemed appropriate to the scene.

    I liked the take on temporal perceptions. That was spiffy.

    If find it interesting that a common them is Mr. Ellis' works has been perceptions and how different perceptions lead to playing by different sets of rules. You've got the drug users like Supergod's narrator and Spider Jerusalem that have seen the world and seem to take narcotics to keep things in focus so they can function. Then you've got the world players like John Horus and Doctor Sleepless who just decide to cut through the usual channels and get shit done. Then you've got the people with the really wide vision, like the Supergods, who stop caring about the playing field altogether and just act because they see no reason to play anyone else's rules. If I were a bit more fucking intellectual, I'm sure I could turn this into one hell of a paper.

    Overall, I thought the book did it's job. The "I'm your stash" line was epic and the other dialogue was cool. The book didn't drop pace, feel or do anything that would make me sorry I was reading the title. I loved the art and I'm looking forward to the next issue and seeing where this all explodes.

    On a personal note, there is a theme I see in Supergod that I saw in No Hero and to some extent in Black Summer: Abdicate responsibility to a being of significantly greater power than yourself and it's only a matter of time before it all goes boom. On the one hand, I understand the point and time and time again, we've seen this in history; governments and cults have told this story 1000 times in 1000 ways. But at the same time, it seems to almost be the antithesis of what people read comics for in the first place.

    I'm not saying this is a bad thing. It seems the next logical step after deconstruction like Watchmen. Not only are our heroes fallible, some of them are malicious and given enough power, they realize they are not on the same playing field as the rest us and we might as well be ants in the path of a steamroller. But the story about super powered beings, for me, has always been that the greatest quality they have is not their abilities, but that they have the will and the restraint to do something with that power better than just ass rape the rest of the world.

    It's what makes them rare, I guess.

    While I realize this isn't an "Ask Warren" column, I'm curious: Hard atheist or soft atheist?
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    "Hard."
    • CommentAuthorfreakbox
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
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    Loved, absolutely loved the Morrigan Lugus speach! I have not read the "God Gene" theory, and would love if you would post some ref.'s
    Personally I am satisfied by the argument that man created god to give himself the illusion of having some control over the world around him. Creating less and less primative god's as their needs grew more sophisticated. This is the first time I have heard an alternative argument so well put. In just a few panels, and with great humor, you have managed to do what few philosphers can. Thanks

    Also loved the way this issued ended!
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      CommentAuthorFinagle
    • CommentTimeApr 2nd 2010
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    I find the hilarity level of /Supergod/ increases by about ^10 if I imagine the narrator has the voice of Harlan Ellison.

    Yeah, that's a compliment.
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    @freakbox
    wikipedia to the rescue! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_gene

    The God gene hypothesis proposes that human beings inherit a set of genes that predisposes them to believe in a higher power. The idea has been postulated by geneticist Dean Hamer, the director of the Gene Structure and Regulation Unit at the U.S. National Cancer Institute, who has written a book on the subject titled, The God Gene: How Faith is Hardwired into our Genes.
    • CommentAuthorhank
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2010
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    @warren Morrigan Lugus was on the fucking spot.

    I absolutely loved the fact that the narrator is dosing himself to avoid masturbating himself to death.

    Breaking the fourth wall worked extremely well.

    This issue had tons of balls, and has become one of my favorites ever.

    Thank you.
    • CommentAuthorfreakbox
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2010
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    @rootifireember thanks for the link!
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    Loving Dajjal. Hoping for a lot more from it. Curious if there'll be any actual interaction somehow between Dajjal and Reddin or if it'll simply be a narration pivot point?
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      CommentAuthorNickDonald
    • CommentTimeApr 10th 2010
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    So far it's been an excellent, large scale story. I am amazed, however, that it instantly elevated to Epic proportions simply due to the strength of that final page: Morrigan Lugus being airlifted and the words "I should have been more worried about that" and the wonderfully understated "to be continued"? Massive. Seriously: try find the time to read 1-3 in one sitting before 4 comes out and tell me I'm wrong.

    Also: The Felipe Massafera cover was sensational and I am loving the colour in this book - each section of the narrative has its own, clear and distinct, colour temperature. Excellent work.
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      CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2010 edited
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    Since our Steve Austin american superhuman seems a bit dated at this point I'm wondering two things.


    I'm glad I'm not the ONLY one who made that connection. ( the 6 million $ man one, that is... )

    In regards to those who argue that there should be a 'goddess' type romping about with the rest of these 'supers' ... why? What good argument is there for the inclusion of such in this? Look at modern religions, and you'll find it's all male-centric, even if tacitly - and if not the religions, than certainly the cultures that proscribe to them most definitely are.

    The discombobulated mish-mash that is paganism will NEVER be so organized/profitable as to engender their own 'vision' of godhood via technological fudging. Sorry, but that's that.

    ( Let's for fun's sake say that somehow they DID manage to create their own 'supergod' - this being is going out to do battle with ALL the other 'gods' that've been created. If that's so you'd want some burly motherfucker with horns, and not some round-assed lady with tits until forever! )

    If mankind had the sense to make gods out of MOTHERS, all this would probably be moot.
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    Artemis, Athena, the Bear Wife and other female ass-kicking deities aside, I think making a male 'god' for weapons purposes makes more sense, esp. within our cultural context. It's a male dominated culture and war is seen as a 'macho' thing; heck even male chimps go to 'war' against other clans. And with most people being monotheistic, subscribing to some sort of Judaic/Christian/Muslim religion which features an omnipotent father figure in the sky.... having the 'gods' be male would probably just be an assumed detail for most. Most of us, I'd say, are raised to view the idea of God as a male ass kicker, as from such traditions as mentioned above; with the female gods relegated to the land of "Mythology" and "Fairy tales" and not "real" religion. It's SuperGOD, not SuperGreek/otherPaganMythologyTime.

    So, yeh. Going along with Berserker on the no need for females 'gods' here. It wouldn't make sense for the story or its setting. I mean, unless there's some Equal Opportunity Group or something like that group that goes around saying that Gods can't be discriminated against and there have to be Female (and hell, how about adding hermaphrodite and gender neutral too) gods in the military based programs as well? But I can't really imagine that within the story. It'd be a bit silly. And the gods were Made, not bred, for a weapons purpose. So, 'families' don't really make sense, either.

    Taking into consideration the 'world' it goes within and what we see of it's values and why the gods were made, having them be all politically correct and equal opportunity in the workplace with female gods whatnot just .... doesn't make sense. I mean, unless you made a goddess of perpetual PMS. But then she'd just kill everyone and that would be the end of the story. Besides no one'd WANT to read THAT story. Ever.
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      CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2010
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    At any rate, I think assigning 'sex' to these beings is pointless anyway - some are barely even biological at all, others of a biology so far removed they resemble nothing familiar to the concept. And all were manufactured.

    Morrigan is obviously a being no longer possessed of normal biology - sex doesn't even apply to it.
    Malak was meant to be an angel, and therefore presumably intended to be gender neutral. And while obviously masculine, it clearly lacks 'maleness'.
    Dajjal? That's barely there enough to even call physical.

    The rest are either almost entirely robotic, like Jerry and Novaya, or so seamlessly blended with/altered by technology that the idea is moot. Krishna and Maitreya would seem to have genitalia at least, but I doubt they care - if they even recognize it. And why would they?

    Not that this has a lick to do with the story in Supergod. This is more about the dangers of letting our technologies exceed our ability to foresee their consequences. It's interesting to see gods being used to demonstrate mankind's hubris.
    • CommentAuthorGraizur
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2010
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    Female Gods would be the abiding culture of an empowered populace, like Mercantilism or Free Trade. The Viral God that shot the brain sperm to mars was abiding in many minds. A sentient virus might be female in a sense, since it abides instead of penetrates. Or an entirely different dimension waiting to be discovered slowly wooing us with ... hints that it exists.
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    Not sure I buy that, honestly. It sounds like something based on things people say about females, without taking into account experience with their actual personalities.

    -edit- Don't mean to be curt, sorry. I've got a nasty cold (viral?) and I assure you I'm feeling fairly well penetrated right now. Had to post and run before horrible things happened.
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    Some people seem to be unable to have the "humor" switch and the "god" switch on at same time. Like paramilitary-buffs who can't watch war comedies without bitching about how the AK47 sounds. I don't think supergod is about gods or theology at all. It's about humans.

    I love how SuperGod poses an 'unlikely' near-future to talk about very likely things about us talking primates. Also how it talks about comic fans and superheroes themselves.

    I don't think it's fair to criticize or even to pat your back for #3 since so far, the story only seems to be stretching its legs out setting up a bigger picture we can't fully see (in an absolutely enjoyable way I must say) and as such we got to have FAITH (ironically) that you won't screw us over(unlike other stories that hint us on how things will pan out or are at least a little predictable.). As you never did that, you got one more blessing to keep going like you are cos it's working.

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