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    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010 edited
    This continues from....
    they came to save Hip- Hop Part 3- EVERLAST


    You grow up in New York, Hip hop is just starting. It's everywhere
    around you even if it's not on the TV or the Radio.

    You're at the centre of it all, you're growing up
    in Brooklyn. But you're not African American.
    You're White working Class.No you're not The
    Beastie Boys. They're white and middle class.

    You're the LORDZ OF BROOKLYN

    Here with the best opening 10 seconds
    of a 1990s Hip hop video
    .Inspired by Quentin Tarantino

    Lordz of Brooklyn -"Saturday Night Fever"

    Inspired by a meeting with Chuck D of Public Enemy
    who suggested that they should form a Rap crew.
    They went and did just that!

    As with EVERLAST in the previous post, they
    have also been steadily EVOLVING over the years
    in music and outlook.They are now Also known as
    THE LORDZ and recently put
    out love poems to their borough Brooklyn like this...

    The Lordz ft Everlast - "Brooklyn Way"

    The Lordz did this short interview/history of the Lordz and
    how they started, and where they are going.....

    The Lordz -interview/History

    Heri Mkocha

    That interview/history video thing above is cool, you do though get the
    feeling that no matter how poor or working class, those guys parents
    did a decent job of bringING them up and protected them from alot of bad stuff.

    But what about the white kids who weren't protected from all that stuff,
    who were at the sharp end of it all and grew up in New york like them
    surrounded by Hip hop? This darkness would mask alot of the optimism
    found in the Lordz. The dark, dark side of life. If that was you you'd probably be...


    They came to save Hip- Hop Part 6- LA COKA NOSTRA
  1.  (8025.2)
    I submit to you: Gangstagrass

    They came not to save hip-hop,
    but to cross-breed with it.
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
    Why are you going from part four to part six? Did the number five offend you in some manner?
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
    Christ. We don't need a part five. We really don't need a part 2-4 -- a single thread would have been sufficient, but I barely have the time to do any clean up. Just try to bear in mind, going forward, that Whitechapel thrives more on discussion than it does on multi-part blogposts, yeah?
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010 edited
    Brendan, Wow. Thank you for that.

    EDIT: And now that I've listened to more I gotta say that while it SOUNDS nice, the lyrics are doing a good job of annoying me. Primarily when I pair them with the history behind the old bluegrass music they're looping.
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010 edited
    LOl, sorry Ariana.

    Lots of these artists have put out tonnes of stuff.
    I try to keep it to 4-5 songs to represent them in their
    "totality". Which is hard.

    Thanks for that Gangstagrass link, that's someone new to
    add to my musical list. Still waiting for somebody to combine
    J-Dilla beats with Folk music.No i'm serious! Like Dubstep, it
    seems so obvious when the genre actually happens

    Anyway , I didn't really think the people who really really hate Hip hop
    would be interested in any of the Hip Hop threads and would just leave
    them alone.
  2.  (8025.7)
    Looked into this only because of the huge amount of similarly named threads.

    Only Hip-hop artist I really respect is Saul Williams. Although I'm told that Tupac is worth looking into.

    Although Saul Williams is really a poet first and Hip-Hop artist second. Probably why his lyrics kick so much ass.
    • CommentAuthorjpr
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
    Hip hop? I'm deep into poetic hip hop.

    Saul Williams is more a poet than anything, which isn't to say he's not good. He's very, very good.

    Aesop Rock, pre-Bazooka Tooth is good as well. His lyrics are some of the best, and he spits fast as hell.

    Illogic is another rapper like Aesop, but he's more consistently good in all of his rap.

    Tonedeff is more a punchline rapper than a poetic one, but he raps so fast...

    Very few rappers I like. Those three, and the South African group Die Antwoord.
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    I'm going to watch the doco's and clips when I get home, but thanks for schooling me on a group I hadn't heard of.

    Re. the poetry vs rap debate... why does there have to be a line? I'm not a fan of these divisive terms... but its only recently I've felt that I could call myself a 'rapper' per se. I don't battle, or write battle rhymes. I'm not American, let alone from NYC. I'm too young to remember much past The Daisy Age. I too am middle class (although not in a wacky, cartoonish, Dalai Lama-obsessed, proseletyzing cod-political way like late-period Beasties). So I guess what I'm asking is... what d'you reckon? Is what I do hip-hop? Am I a rapper? I'd be interested in opinions from the folk on this thread, particularly the fans of Saul and Aesop.

    Apologies for the threadjacking people.
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    @Toxo zombie

    Saul williams is a bit of a legend, the proper living link
    for the spoken word poetry scene and Hip Hop.
    He's done alot of MCing in all it's forms and
    the Drum N Bass Roni size boys.

    As for Tupac...hmmm. Generally considered the
    one who has mastered the Lament type of rap song.
    When I say that I mean emotively,
    not in documentary style like other MCS.

    He is unusual in being able to show alot of vulnerability in
    the west coast genre which has a lot of swagger,
    bragging and outright showing no weakness.

    This also means alot of his songs swing from your cut-out
    and keep G funk west coast rap stuff. To songs like tearz.
    which is about all the people he lost and him not
    knowing his biological father and the paranioa of l
    iving the life he led growing up...

    Tupac -"So Many Tearz"

    He's got a huge back catalogue. But really when
    it comes to it I think I prefer Nas
    out of all the rap legends.

    Heri Mkocha

    Ps- saw the other threads deleted. intreasting
    that the Lordz of brookyln survived,
    instead of the others.... :-) ....
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
    Methinks because there's actual discussion going on in this one.

    Also, I agree with texture. I don't see why there has to be a line between rap and poetry. I'll give his link a listen when I get home.
  3.  (8025.12)

    Sounds like hip-hop to me. Not bad Hip-hop either.
    • CommentTimeApr 10th 2010
    Cheers Toxo! I'm interested to hear others opinions on what constitutes 'the line' between rap and poetry? Is rap without a beat poetry? Is poetry over a beat rap?
    • CommentTimeApr 10th 2010 edited

    Methinks because there's actual discussion going on in this one.

    Odd. Because I thought the La Coka Nostra thread
    might have bought up more discussion
    because they went so far to the extreme,
    way past anything they accuse Eminem of,
    or Everlast's whole credible Rap Rock hybrid
    might have some other counter claims.

    The Lordz are the safest, most cushyy
    out of all the acts.I like them just for being so damn honest
    about who they are, where they come from and
    don't try to be anything else, especially not the Beastie Boyz II.

    By the way the individual threads from jay Electronic onwards in the music section of
    Whitechapel were meant to highlight artists that had significant loyal fanbases
    and support but did not appear on even the main Hip Hop sources of information.
    trailblazers in their own personal niches.


    Re. the poetry vs rap debate... why does there have to be a line?

    There shouldn't be one. And MCs and Poets
    genrally pretend to get along. But
    MCs (not really the poets...) in private
    always talk about the "flow", that unique thing
    of rappers "locking into the music".
    Which they have to do. Which sets them
    apart from the poets.

    There's alot of MC 101 beginner vids out there and
    you see the happless wannabes not get it.

    The other , again MC instigated accusation
    is that the MCs are doing exactly what the
    poets were doing and aren't doing now.
    Which is address/represent the
    social/philisophical/economic etc...
    condition of life at the moment.

    Alot of MCs garner alot of
    authenticity by talking about excatly
    what they experienced, while Poetry seems
    a bit dusty....cornered in academia.
    (yes I know there are exceptions...don't
    shoot the messenger).

    There is also such a huge variety of MCs
    in all varietys, that the "body of work" of Hip Hop
    is diverse and rich in a way some think Poetry isn't.

    Which is starting to annoy me as i write because
    some of those diverse MCs threads got deleted....
    but whatever.

    Heri Mkocha