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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:36:00 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ <blockquote >Like part of a cosmic Russian doll, our universe may be nested inside a black hole that is itself part of a larger universe. In turn, all the black holes found so far in our universe—from the microscopic to the supermassive—may be doorways into alternate realities.<br /><br />According to a mind-bending new theory, a black hole is actually a tunnel between universes—a type of wormhole. The matter the black hole attracts doesn't collapse into a single point, as has been predicted, but rather gushes out a "white hole" at the other end of the black one, the theory goes.</blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote >The new model isn't the first to propose that other universes exist inside black holes. Damien Easson, a theoretical physicist at Arizona State University, has made the speculation in previous studies.<br /><br />"What is new here is an actual wormhole solution in general relativity that acts as the passage from the exterior black hole to the new interior universe," said Easson, who was not involved in the new study.<br /><br />"In our paper, we just speculated that such a solution could exist, but Poplawski has found an actual solution," said Easson, referring to Poplawski's equations.</blockquote><br /><a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-black-holes-alternate-universe-multiverse-einstein-wormholes/" >Source</a><br /><br />BAD. ASS. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:38:58 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Hannah and Barbera were ahead of their time. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:40:56 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ When a dude says "I've just made up this thing, and this thing that I made up proves my point!" I generally try to avoid it. I'm not saying that this theory might not be fucking amazing (because it is) but when you have to make up yet another theoretical substance in a field full of theoretical substances, I get a little tired.<br /><br />This wacky-ass substance does has some cool points though. Having reverse properties of gravity seems pretty neat. Plus the theory as a whole has some interesting implications. Can you go from one universe to another through a wormhole? Can you go in both directions? If, assuming you could somehow survive through spaghettification, you ended up on the other side of a wormhole, would you instantaneously de-interlace because you're at an opposite gravitational charge than the universe you're in? Would it be possible that rather than being "nested" the universes were coincident, with a single point of space being shared between the two universes (or all universes)?<br /><br />All pretty awesome ideas. I'm not to keen on the jiggering the math to make it work. Unless, of course, they figure out a way to prove this wacky exotic matter other than "these calculations need it to work." We already have something kinda like that: dark matter. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:13:14 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Lani</author>
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			<![CDATA[ <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/04/do_we_live_inside_a_wormholes.php?utm_source=sbhomepage&utm_medium=link&utm_content=channellink" >This</a> has some criticism of the press this theory has received, but he still concedes that <br /><blockquote >First off, this solution is stable, which means -- in principle -- that it can exist. Second off, it is possible that this can be generalized to make the space inside of it do other things besides remain completely static (like expand or contract). And third off, it brings up this amazingly interesting possibility that not only might our Universe be the inside of a black hole, but that each black hole that's come to exist in our Universe may house its own miniature Universe inside of it! </blockquote><br />He also points out that the research into this theory may lead to some fascinating discoveries.<br /><br />At any rate, "jiggered math" is a bit unnecessarily dismissive I think, as it's not just one guy's wacky ideas - other researchers agree that his logic and reasoning holds.  Also, just because we can't test it yet doesn't mean it's not testable, even if it ends up being in fairly roundabout ways.  There's been some pretty cool research to support dark matter and dark energy too, though they're both difficult to test as you say.<br /><br />Regardless, reading about this stuff inevitably elicits a SQUEEEEEEE!! reaction in me.  Astrophysics = awesome. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:14:08 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ (sorry, internet trickiness = broken duplicate posts) ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:21:52 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ Soon every door in your house will lead to a room 4 inches larger on the inside than it is on the outside. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:45:27 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>rickiep00h</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Like I said, personal opinion on the weird math/inventing variables thing. I'm not an astrophysicist, so I'm going to trust that he probably knows a lot more about it than I do. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:53:55 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @ agentarsenic -  clever reference. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:42:25 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Fan</author>
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			<![CDATA[ > I'm not an astrophysicist<br /><br />Is this "theory" testable? If the other side of a black hole's event horizon is unknowable, then why try to know it? Maybe this a Mathematical theory, and not a Physical theory. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 03:12:43 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[ @Fan<br />Probably not directly, but hopefully it might indirectly predict some observable physical phenomena, or a particular type/property of particle that might one day be observed in an accelerator. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 03:43:24 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>William George</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Would our parent black hole's universe have the same physics as ours does? Can we even have black holes in a universe with different physical laws? If it does have the same laws, would that suggest it's parent black hole's universe is the same? Wouldn't this imply infinite regress? What if black holes aren't creating new universes, but are recycling spacetime back into our own reality? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:54:54 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Verissimus</author>
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			<![CDATA[ What does the term "another universe" mean when matter can go from here to there via a black hole? Is my bedroom also another universe because I have to use a door to get there? Why are we asking all these questions? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:48:18 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Paul Duffield</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @Verus<br />Oh! Wow, actually you must be right. I'll go tell the scientists to stop asking questions, and I'll try to moderate my curiosity from now on. I much prefer not thinking about things that are hard to answer, and I'm sure it'll take a weight off their minds to know that it's all pointless. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:41:32 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Verissimus</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @Paul<br />I'm right?<br /><br />That can't be right. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:03:17 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Paul Duffield</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Hehe, maybe I was being little sarcastic, I couldn't help myself. My point is that questioning human curiosity is not only ironic, it's more than a bit futile. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:08:29 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>LokiZero</author>
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			<![CDATA[ HOLY SHIT I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY!<br /><br />ahem.<br /><br />I was watching this thing on the Science channel about parallel universes and M Theory, then I got to thinking about black holes, and how they must be punching through this universe into the next one. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:11:26 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>city creed</author>
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			<![CDATA[ hehe - questioning out of genuine ignorance is never futile, surely? :P<br />I thought Verus made a legit point originally though.<br />How can it be a different universe if it's contiguous with this one? - even if it is via a black hole ]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:43:30 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Paul Duffield</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Probably just a matter of semantic arrangement. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:37:14 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Fan</author>
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			<![CDATA[ Reading the article, the interesting thing isn't the other universes inside black holes of our universe; instead it's whether the possibility that our universe is the inside of a black hole of some other universe can explain phenomena which we see in this universe. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:56:39 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Gekko</author>
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			<![CDATA[ That would mean our universe has bounds, wouldn't it? Isn't a theory about limits of our universe what we are secretely looking for, something to feel less miscroscopic, to soothe our fears? You see what I mean? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:19:02 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>mister hex</author>
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			<![CDATA[ I'm reminded of a quote from Steve Purcell's Sam and Max comic : <br />"Try to imagine how far the universe extends. Keep thinking about it till you go insane. Do you know that cosmic rays go <em >right through</em> your clothes? Or even these stupid space suits? Sooner or later, we're all going to get something wrong with us. Do you see what I mean?" ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:22:23 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Fan</author>
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			<![CDATA[ > That would mean our universe has bounds, wouldn't it?<br /><br />Our universe has many bounds already, hasn't it: the speed of light is one bound/limit, for example, isn't it.<br /><br />If we are inside a black hole, then naively I think of that as being *less* limiting than otherwise: because it implies to me that new stuff can come into our universe from outside, instead of this universe being all there is and ever can be from our frame of reference.<br /><br />> Isn't a theory about limits of our universe what we are secretely looking for, something to feel less miscroscopic, to soothe our fears? You see what I mean?<br /><br />I don't know; most of my personal fears have been earthly, and to do with failing to meet social obligations and expectations, or failing to preserve things that I've valued, or to do with physiological/medical phenomena like illness, pain, sadness, death, etc.: so, all quite (in my mind) a separate realm from astrophysical theory.<br /><br />The universe is already so relatively unlimited compared to the lifespan of a human body that the act of considering it is already something which 'takes you out of yourself' and your own personal fears: but that's ditto virtually any other field of knowledge that's bigger than one person: the study of history, for example; or religion, politics, art, engineering, journalism, or even fantasy. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:31:11 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Labyrinthine</author>
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			<![CDATA[ What concerns me about that theory is that if every black hole has a corresponding white hole, where are all the white holes? Is there anywhere in our universe where matter seems to appear from nowhere the way it seems to disappear into nowhere in a black hole? Wouldn't we have heard about this? ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:14:57 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>rickiep00h</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @Labryinthine - It might account for this "dark matter" we've heard about. It also might account for the matter we're looking at right now. The way I read it, and from previous theories of the big bang and black holes, one could logically say (I think) that the matter inside a black hole gets compressed, superheated, changed a bit because of that, and then there's the whole "big bang" thing... except slightly different, because the matter it starts with has been altered to be different from the universe it started out in.<br /><br />That is, maybe the matter we see already came from another universe all in one go, and that what's left is less of a major stream and more of a slight trickle, if the original black hole even exists after exploding into the big bang. In this way, maybe a black hole isn't a two-way street, so to speak, or even a permanent object once it reaches a certain point. I have no idea, of course, if the math would back up this idea, but I could see it being plausible. ]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:39:58 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Paul Duffield</author>
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			<![CDATA[ @Labyrinthine<br />As far as I know white holes just can't exist, if one were to spontaneously pop into existence it would collapse as soon as it encountered any matter (which would be immediately), they're a theoretical construction more than a physical reality. Although I'm guessing for this theory to work, they'd need to be stable. ]]>
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