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    • CommentAuthorKen Miller
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2010
    The Nightly News was okay but, at its core, it was a simply a merging of reasonable vector graphics and (sometimes) interesting factoids.
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2010
    Just some random thoughts here

    - Aren't all events reiterations of previous ones? If you know the rules of the system, chaotic or otherwise but ultimately a closed, finite one, you can predict the next iteration. A truly original event \ thought \ idea therefore is either a system rule previously not acknowledged, or an introduction of a new element into the system from outside its boundaries.

    - An act of god has managed in 24 hours to do what no act of terrorism has ever \ will ever manage to do - close most of Europe's airspace. 9/11 - the biggest act of man-made terrorism - had most immediate effect worldwide on the internet, which was practically brought to its knees. Man-made terrorism best affects man-made things. In the 00s, we became more digital. Surely that makes digital terrorism most likely. And I mean terrorism, man-made approximations to acts of god.

    - Is it possible to terrorize the group consciousness \ collective effort? Or to poison it? And what would that mean? If we're talking about the collective groups of efforts organised online a la Clay Shirky? He describes such efforts as the mass amateurisation of an action. e.g Journalism -> blogging. But the key word is 'amateurisation'. I hate the word 'meme' (it's just a sticky idea, like the tune you can't get out of your head) but it could fit in here. Wired ran the story last of how Dan Kaminsky realised how to poison DNS and thus 'steal the internet'. DNS is an automaton sure, but it was supposed to be absolutely solid. Collective effort is far more fragile. Storylines have done small scale ideas like that as precursor to something else. The Stargate:Universe opener did that to an extent, like Last Starfighter did before that. Even Global Frequency has a mindwipe meme issue. Ipcress file, Manchurian Candidate focus on single brainwashes etc. But they are 20th Century applications and targets. Everything's becoming digital. Is the Feraliminal Lycanthropiser as a wav file the first stone axe in this path (OK, probably not, but it makes me laugh). Fifty years down the line, will digital terrorism amount to simultaneously hacking and resetting all the matter transmitters of the world during the rush hour, with no Scotty to save the millions of commuters mid-transfer.

    - Is there any need for a nanotech/grey goo movie? We've had umpteen variants of 'Body Snatchers' (sentient and organised nanotech) and stuff like Cabin Fever for the goo \ unorganised nanotech.
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    What exactly do you mean by TNN being insular?

    Read what is being said. You'll see your mistake.
    • CommentAuthorDickey
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2010
    Ohohohoho, i see now. My mistake, the point makes much more sense in the context of earlier ones. And I can wholeheartedly agree.
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2010 edited
    i love thinking about whats around the corner, but im such a goofy jackass i always end up just thinking about what would make me laugh instead of actual possibilities for what will materialize and harden as an accidental "trope" of the times. i think there may be a lot of the "2012 means apocalypse" gunk floating around in the air. partly as a symptom of people seeing something cataclysmic as more likely than a real change in the fucked up systems that we (well, most of us) are trapped as part of, partly as it is kind of scary-an actual cataclysm, not 2012 itself.

    i have a feeling that once enough people breathe the sigh of relief in the next five or so years and realize that we are already partially in 'the future' and that everything is an open slate in one way or another, we may see some new patterns emerge. its one reason i like totally batshit insane fiction- its so many things all at once that everyone SHOULD find some part to attach themselves.

    as far as comics, i want more of THE INTIMATES, less ULTIMATE COMICS AVENGERS in the next wave of mad ideas.

    that was a little rambly. sorry. this is a hard subject for me to get out in an eloquent manner.
    • CommentAuthorDirk Deppey
    • CommentTimeApr 19th 2010 edited
    The future stops inspiring awe once it becomes the present and the novelty wears off. My grandfather could have told you that, and he didn't own a pair of shoes until he turned eight.

    If I had to guess, I'd say that the theme of fiction in the 21st century will be "human interaction in the age of magic mirrors" -- but it'll be about the interactions, not the mirrors. I mean mainstream fiction, of course, not genre fiction. That will likely stay self-absorbed and nostalgic for decades to come. (Look for the "adult" version of Spongebob Squarepants in 2020, coming soon to a wallmount [very] near you.)

    I'm assuming William Gibson (or one of his clones) was saying this ten years ago. I wouldn't know. With the eventual exception of Neal Stephenson, I stopped reading science fiction around seventeen, when I got bored with cyberpunk and discovered sex and drugs and William S. Burroughs novels and learned that my local police chief kept a list of known homosexuals on the dashboard computers of his employees' cars and promptly stopped giving a shit about cyborgs in sunglasses. Real life is much, much weirder and more interesting than anything you can imagine, and all the back issues of Popular Science in the world won't change that.
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    That said, there is something to be said for novelty before it wears off. Hell, I'm a latecomer to Twitter, and I can't seem to stop...
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    Highly interesting.

    I don't think there ever will be another "new sound." Or rather, I don't think there can be. I think the trappings of modern media and it's role in culture and society won't allow for it. Audiences don't want a new sound, or a new visual, they want a new experience. An album, or comic, or movie isn't going to cut through it all anymore. (That isn't to say that amazing things can't be done in those formats, or that they shouldn't be.) I think the future standout projects will be all of the above and more. The new sound must be the new look must be the new App must be the person next to you. I feel one of the true seeds of future dissemination of one's narrative is NIN and 42 Entertainments Year Zero Experience. As creators we need to start considering how our audience affects our narrative on top of the narrative affecting them. Past that, I see it going from singular entities to communities. Not that many steps removed from what Whitechapel is now. An anthology mmorpg with new content daily including comics, music, video, prose. A comic that creates itself by the characters creating comics.

    The world has long lived a barely subconscious fiction of itself. Loosely, I think the "new sound" will be that fiction projected (probably quite literally via modern tech) on our reality. People will (I pray) finally recapture the ability to entertain themselves. I think the Atemporality aspect of this will be the entertained entertaining their entertainers, of course, that's always been, but I think the immediacy of it will increase.
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    There will always be a new sound. It may owe a huge debt to what's come before, but that doesn't mean it's not new. It's just not alien, is all.

    No idea what it's going to be, though. I've been enjoying the look back in comics simply because it's been working so hard on building the future, but as to what it's going to evolve into? Not sure. I do know that it's going to get harder and harder for the top creators to do any work for Marvel/DC seeing as nobody wants to give away their creations for near enough to free to make no difference. In terms of comics, at least, I suspect that's going to define the next decade pretty strongly.
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2010 edited
    What is around the corner of time for comics?
    The answer lies in the youth, and their minds, as always. Scott Pilgrim is a good starting point, I think, a hyper-realized version of millennial life. One foot in reality, one foot in the superego of culture as a whole. Old comicheads might have some pretty strong numbers right now, but a new fan is born every minute and they are the ones that will shape comics through their purchases and own work.

    I think that the superheroes punching each other in the tights genre needs to go to bed. There's not much more that is new that can go on there - plus anything shocking or game changing is always retconned to normalcy (Captain 'Merica should have stayed dead).

    I'd like to see better (read:user friendly) tools for creating comics put into more hands, shake it up, and see what comes out. Ok, you might argue anyone can pick up a pen, or mspaint or photoshop, but my point is in comics image (pictures) really are everything. Like when I scan the new webcomics thread, if art doesn't catch my eye, I'm not going to read it at first glance. It doesn't matter how well written it is, because I won't pick it up to find out.
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2010
    I re-watched Sterling's lecture on atemporality and came away with this: that thought, and possibly language, in the age of the network has become spatialised. It's not temporal any more. We don't think or plan in sequences but, rather, proceed in almost simultaneous actions. The availability of information about the past and of speculation about the future on the web has artificially transformed what was seen as a linear, temporal progression to a visible plateau of readily searchable and usable data.
    The simultaneity of the network has replaced the linearity of the printed page. The hyperlink has replaced the actual bodily process of looking at a footnote, going to a shelf, finding another book and bringing it back to your shelf. This has made plain what historians like Hayden White have been talking about for so long, and what authors like Pynchon have been proving in their fiction, that the sense of linearity in history and narratives themselves was itself artificial. It's not such new observation but it's becoming more and more observable and verifiable.
    Now, what does this mean for the creative artist? I don't see how anything completely new can ever be created, seeing as most "new" creations were pastiches or combinations anyway. If art has been a continuous re-shuffling since the renaissance, what makes anyone think that anything "new" is around the corner? Maybe it's been here and gone anyway, because noone paid it much attention. This idea of newness might be more viable in relation to new media platforms and technologies. It might be even closely related to the ways in which morality and tolerance will be transforming over the next few decades. In the end, new ideas will always create their own criteria for their own appreciation and judgement anyway, so maybe, like Sterling says, just go for it. Celebrate the atemporal and maybe that will lead to the other side.
    • CommentAuthorhelloMuller
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2010 edited
    Edit: Wrong thread.
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    @Alec9k I'll concede that comics and movies are about even in their track record for figuring out new and uneasy ideas. Film, however, does have the festival thing going for it which ostensibly encourages experimentation and the incorporation of larger ideas into the medium.

    I was thinking more about novels. Novelists seem to get there first.

    I can also agree with you about Hickman -- he is a smart guy and he has guts... so does his work.
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    Disclaimer: This post might be missing the point a little...or completely.

    Fiction chasing its tail without input from what's going on outside of it. I'm just imagining all those awful Cold War novels of the mid to late 80s that were churned out by the square kilometre of amazon rainforest and wondering what they'd look if they'd taken the Bulldog Drummond view of world politics. Imagine Clancy's Jack Ryan as a racist, jingoistic tough-guy talking in terms of empire.
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    Real life is much, much weirder and more interesting than anything you can imagine,

    Ain't that the truth.
    • CommentAuthorsemiote23
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2010
    Seems like facing the nostalgia is a good place to start. If you take your cues from science, it's almost impossible not to be amazed/confused by what's happening in the world of the really fucking small (quantum computing, nanotech, blah, etcfuckcet). Everything up here on the surface is an effort to make a more efficient UI. Serving to augment our perception. Seeing in different wavelengths, using sound to move things or destroy them. Biggerfasterstrongerbetter.

    I feel like there are some premises that we've all agreed on for a long time. The idea that the human race SHOULD keep going. The idea that we're headed toward Apocalypse or Enlightenment. Why not both? One for some, one for others. Seems most likely to me. Right now, some people live in heavenly rapture (and still go off and find what is lacking plugging holes with drugs, surgery, etfuckcet) while others are sold into sexual slavery, fighting in the jungles. The idea that that will change with either greatly diminished or greatly increased resources is (to me) insanity. We've gotten this far as a species not because we make huge leaps, but because we're uniquely primed to weather change. Our average is better than average biologically. There are probably dogs more equipped for reality than some people, so don't think I'm trying to elevate humanity. I'm just saying humans are good at being humans. Again, in facing nostalgia, I think that after cyberpunk we get caught recognizing that everything is just a retouched picture of past successes. This is why we like the magickey stuff. The new stuff isn't the enemy, it isn't a new UI, it's a different world. I don't know that we challenge (often enough) our perception of...

    We're not bound anyway. When I read that each black hole could contain a Universe. When you look at the mechanistic view of our own Universeasquantumcomputer, I see a way to take a break from the nuts and bolts cultural limitations of past practices. There are infinite what if's that haven't been asked. Higgs boson doesn't make new gun. It doesn't do anything. It is a tea leaf. Maybe it doesn't make me bigger stronger better, but maybe the problem of the past/future goes away. The technological singularity and how humanity will face it. Maybe that's a little too terminator, but what if it's just a way of making a UI for the universe. What would you do if you could put your hands on the controls. Might not work here in our world, but every black hole has a universe. there are tens of millions of super massive black holes. I don't know that I could stop if I wanted to.

    Avoid the temporal problem by stepping outside of time.

    I am new here, is there any place to talk about just writing? (not an artist) big fan of this place though. Smart folks.
      CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2010
    As a small tangent, I'll mention that the event of process in creating is still very important. My students this year are great at executing tasks, but for shit at moving past an initial idea. The attack is there, but there's no skill at building, at planning and re-working. I feel this is a huge gap that really needs to be kept full.

    Relating this back to the main idea of the thread, I think what's around the corner for comics is people who plan and see a longview as being "revolutionary". Storytellers much more interested in the longview of what a told story will impact down the road, rather than "events". Writers/artists who are skilled at working an idea and going through the process of creative building.

    I love DMZ because I really think Wood has a long story to tell, and lots of things he wants to investigate. I think that Hickman's SHIELD comic resonated so well with me because it hinted at a floodgate of stories waiting to be told. World-building, not event building. Hell, look at the hyper complex world Carla Speed McNeil's FINDER has; that's some first class longview world building. Thank God Dark Horse had the sense to pick her up finally and get her stuff back in wide print.
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2010
    The future of comics will be the combining off all genres. Teenage Mutant Ninja Zombie Robot Monster Transhuman Steampunk Vampire Bounty Hunters. With nanobot based weapons. Okay hopefully that's not it. Also, please reassure me that comics won't follow the "reality" trend that made me cancel my cable subscription forever.

    The best comics and comic trends of the future have yet to be imagined or discovered. That's what makes thinking about it so exciting. And with that, I'm off to the webcomics thread...
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2010 edited
    In the vein of longevity and real life...I hope there's another Pekar in the works somewhere. I like the slice of life stuff, Eisner's autobiographical work, New York Four, DEMO, Little Blue Pills (can't remember the author but fantastic comic), Spiegelman, etc.

    What I'm saying is the mundane, the ordinary, can be turned into something more through comics. There are a lot of crazy things going on in the world, a lot of people with stories (everyone has at least one in them!), and I want to read them all. The world and the future are merely the sum experiences of their inhabitants.
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2010 edited
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