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    Someone actually did that, years ago, I think...
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    Ah, I'm not surprised. I can see lots of potential problems, but I can see where it might be interesting. If you had something as eye catching as Travis Charest (don't we all wish) running as single strips on Project Wonderful*...dunno. Lots of stuff you could do with those little chunks of story, I think.


    *Not sure how keen people would be on you piggy backing on their webcomics, though.
    • CommentAuthorfreakbox
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2010
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    Remember recently when Marvel tried to release a collection of super hero dailys in a more newspaper like format? You should pitch it to them as a web collection where people pay a fee for the lot. they could receive it daily in some pdf format or view it by web with log on. Pay some sort of subscription which would, and should, be a pittance in light of the fact that they wouldn't have to print or ship. A mix of super hero and comedy, with a few drama would be nice. Seems like the daily aspect would be about the same amount of work as Freak Angels for you, and the less detailed artwork would probably be less work for the artist if they did a 5 day a week distribution. If you were to grace it with an effort It would have an instant following. Also, I think Gravel, Capt. Swing, Ignition City or Dok. Sleepless would be translatable.
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2010
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    Another adventure dinosaur that lumbers about to this day: Mark Trail

    The local paper runs this on Sunday, but oddly the strip's chance to strut its stuff in color ISN'T a dramatic story on that day; it's Mark Trail as tedious nature docent, telling us about invasive species and urban coyotes. And the art is mediocre.

    Some papers run the three-panel continuing story strip. It's online too. But it's pretty tame stuff. Mark versus contraband fur peddlers, etc. (I think there would be potential in a revamp in which a scarred, half-insane Mark should go vigilante and start murdering global warming deniers and litterbugs.)
    • CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2010
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    The other huge advantage that a blog has over a daily paper is the duration a strip is up. A newspaper strip lasts a day and gets binned, whereas a blog strip posted stays up day after day, obviously.

    And of course, it doesn't depend on a huge industry to sustain itself in, like news strips did.

    Nor does it even have to endure editorial input - though this may or may not be a good thing, overall.

    I remember the Prince Valiant strips from the Sunday papers - I think those had a hand in my tastes even now. Those were always dense, being nice blocks of prose offset with those gorgeous illustrations. I was always curious as to why that approach wasn't tried more often, or successfully.
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      CommentAuthorstsparky
    • CommentTimeApr 23rd 2010 edited
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    Gil Kane did a two tier strip once - Star-Hawks:





    I think I could work in that format. Thought he also finished the Star Wars daily that way but I was in error ...

    Some info to be mined here - http://www.reuben.org/ncs/archive/divisions/strips.asp
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      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
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    Can't say I remember ever seeing any dramatic strips in the paper, no--hell, I'm fairly certain the last great comedy strip, Calvin & Hobbes, was already gone by the time I could get my hands on a newspaper. Yes, hooligan kid, I know.

    The Kane strips that StSparky posted above me look amazing, though.
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      CommentAuthoroddbill
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010 edited
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    Yes, I remember reading Star-Hawks in the paper when I was very young. It was actually recognizing Gil Kane's art style from this strip in comics that got me into things like Arak Son of Thunder and Warlord (and Amethyst Princess of Gemworld wait did I say that out loud? EDIT - CRAP! I mixed up Gil Kane and Ernie Colon in my memory! I guess their styles seemed similar to me).

    Back then I recall in daily newspapers we had Spiderman, Star Hawks, a Star Wars strip, The Phantom, Dick Tracy (still, I'm pretty sure), and I think there was a Tarzan strip as well. These I actually remember reading myself, in the papr when I was young. There was also Prince Valiant in the Sunday comics section.

    I recently read through a collection of Sky Masters, which was a Jack Kirby/Wally Wood space adventure newspaper strip (yes - Kirby and Wood) - and it was really fun but also kind of a disappointing read. The format really works against telling substantial stories. Everything comes off light as a feather popcorn adventure, which isn't bad in itself, but feels rather weak when read all at once.

    Something about the early Alex Raymond Flash Gordons - I don't think it was easy to come by outlandish medieval space adventure filled with scantily clad women and lion headed men in any venue other than the papers. Even when the movie serials came out, it was still easier and more reliable to get your fix from the paper.

    Spectacle is so much more easily come by these days in much more compelling venues - this paper strip format just can't compete on the level of spectacle anymore. But back in those days it absolutely did.

    I'm having a hard time imagining what the two-tier daily strip format actually can do better today than other more easily obtainable media. Other than just being there every day, I can't think of anything it can do better than say animation, or a monthly comic, or a video game, or a television series, of a film.

    Maybe there is value in just being a thing that refreshes once a day - but I'm not so sure.
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      CommentAuthorsneak046
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
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    It wasn't a daily, and possibly a little different to the usual reading habit of the average WC'er but 'Tamara Drewe' by Posy Simmonds' (a modern reworking of Thomas Hardy's 'far the maddening crowd') - was serialized weekly in the guardian review between '05 and '07. Using (mostly) a 5x4 grid structure, which if memory serves me was approx a quarter of the size of the berliner format page.

    Tamara Drewe episode 1
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    So was GEMMA BOVERY.
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    Newspapers were still setting type by hand in the heyday of the adventure strip. The fact that it took 6 hours to create enough comics content to fill an eighth of a page with lush illustration was probably on pace with the rest of the production cycle. Now it's freakishly out of step.

    Also, a daily update for THE PAPER -- a finite, printed piece that people bounce around in for a while is not going to work as a daily update for THE INTERNET or even an rss reader?
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      CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
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    They used to run the STAR HAWKS strips in the old COMICS READER magazine back in the late 70's. Blew my mind, I loved those.
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    Also, a daily update for THE PAPER -- a finite, printed piece that people bounce around in for a while is not going to work as a daily update for THE INTERNET or even an rss reader?

    How do you figure? It just drops into the flow of the site you follow.
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    webcomicsnation lets creators "tooncast" their strips. There's embedding code to show the most recent page of the comic on other sites, presumably with a link back to the archives.

    I'm not sure how thoroughly the site's maintained these days, but some creators are still uploading new stuff to it.
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      CommentAuthorAlberto
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
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    Gil Kane was an amazing artist. I wish I had discovered him earlier.

    I can't remember of any dramatic strips in the newspapers here, but there used to be a entire supplement dedicated to kids every sunday. 12 pages of comics, funnies and puzzles including a spread of Alfonso Azpiri's Mot:
    Mot
    A few years later they stopped commissioning and the entire supplement became syndicated. It ran for about 500 issues, up until last year when they were forced to cut expenses and It finally disappeared.
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    Tooncasting, that's what I was remembering... ASTOUNDING SPACE THRILLS, and that strip by the Gregorys...
    • CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
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    @Spinneyhead - ComicSpace has the tooncasting function built into it too.
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      CommentAuthormichaelk42
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2010
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    As bad as we know the "standards" (Garfield, Family Circus, etc.) to be, oh but Christ On A Stick how the people would HOWL when we so much as re-ran or otherwise mucked up their daily dose of tripe.

    And the syndicate wasn't going to go out of its way to give us anything that wasn't perfectly safe and boring, because they know the editors really just want a reliable way to fill a set space and keep people's mouths shut. And the people that yell loudest want change the least. So everything stays the same.

    I remember when I was a kid, before everything started getting shrunk down, we had Star Wars and even The White Mountains (Tripods) running on Sundays. We'll never see the like of that again in newspapers before they finally die as a daily printed object.
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    @warrenellis In a printed newspaper all the content pulls together in a finite, credible space and doesn't have to compete directly with free porn, free audio content, television shows, social media, email and every other news source on the planet. Reading a printed newspaper strip is done with the same gesture as reading a Nobel Prize winner's op-ed. Same with a web comic but it doesn't end there.

    BTW -- the iPad solves this to some degree by limiting what you can do with it. Comics running on an iPad have already beat out streaming netflix, grooveshark, and chatroulette. If daily adventure strips stand a chance of surviving anywhere it's probably there.
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    Wow. Your RSS feeds work really differently to mine.