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Even religious extremists don't do what they do just for love of their religion, not just for a pro-religious agenda. Otherwise they'd never have had to come up with that shit about the seventy-two virgins.
Not everyone who ever painted/sculpted/sang about/wrote about the Big Jesus/God/Allah Guy was forced to do so at knife point.
@rickiep00h - I think the currently accepted theory for the formation of our Sun and the planets describes a massive, spinning molecular cloud collapsing under gravity to eventually form our solar system.
Can science quantify, measure, or identify the human soul? Can we prove what happens to it upon a person's death?
Religion and science are both belief frameworks.
andrenavarro: Even religious extremists don't do what they do just for love of their religion, not just for a pro-religious agenda. Otherwise they'd never have had to come up with that shit about the seventy-two virgins.But that is a perfect example of how religion appeals to people's primitive impulses, lust in this case, in order to manipulate their thinking about unknowns. Without religion the concept of an afterlife of reward simply wouldn't exist! Science can demonstrate not only the exceedingly low probability of the seventy two virgins scenario being correct, but also the origins of those primitive impulses, their evolutionary function and how we have outgrown the need to be governed by them. Science can teach us true things about ourselves and the universe. Religion can teach us nothing, except by accident.
Gattaca does not represent a real-world threat of "scientific extremism", its society is hardcore social Darwinist. There is nothing scientific about that. Social Darwinism (also a rationale for eugenics) is a political ideology as opposed to Darwinism which is support for a theory about evolution. Gattaca's society uses technology to inform and achieve their objectives but there is nothing inherently scientific about their aims.
You make a reasonable point about Mengele, I can see the argument and understand why it wasn't a simple Godwin as it initially appeared. I still think that you're wrong though. Yes, Mengele used science as a justification for some horrific things. Yes, there is an argument that he did what he did because on some level he believed it served science. But the deliberate cruelty, the psychopathic disregard for human life are not specifically caused by scientific thinking. Science is incapable of providing a justificaction for such horrors, they were mandated by a rabidly xenophobic and racist political ideology.
People who blow themselves up on crowded streets or trains on the other hand are doing it specifically because their religious beliefs mandate it.
It is the religious argument that allows them to believe that what they do is moral. Likewise, with Mengele, it was the ideology that gave him the excuse and the opportunity to indulge himself, not the scientific method.
I'm sorry that you think I'm being narrow-minded, I don't see myself as being hostile to personal, private faith and I certainly don't intend to offend anybody else's sincerely held beliefs but as long as we're discussing it honestly I'm not going to tiptoe around out of respect for the sanctity of anyone's fantasy. Thinking someone is wrong and thinking they're an idiot are two very different things. The idea that you either have to be on the side of science or religion is absurd. I'm on the side of people in general, and most people have considerably more nuanced views than they're given credit for.
I trust the scientific method, and believe quantifiable data is the only way we can learn about the world. I would not expect anyone else to put any stock in an experience I alone had, and could not quantify. But does the fact that I experience something that is not quantifiable, explainable, or tangible and do not refute it's existence make me a non-atheist and/or a non-realist?
It's a piece of rock that somebody hacked away at really fucking well, and furthermore causes visceral or emotional reaction. Pollack work is just paint splattered on a canvas, but is (genereally) aesthetically pleasing. Music is just mathematically related vibrations in air molecules interacting with the apparatus of the human ear