Whitechapel - Rare albums worth the price? Thu, 23 May 2013 18:02:16 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=239641#Comment_239641 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=239641#Comment_239641 Thu, 20 May 2010 22:09:11 -0700 tachyon42
Just recently purchased an album which was a project involving Ivan Moody of Five Finger Death Punch fame. Right now the CD (Hypersensitive by Ghost Machine, 2005) is bringing over 50.00 used on ebay and 100.00 USD new. Definitely worth buying though in my opinion. Its so rare no one has pirated it yet.

Just got me wondering, with the wide range of musicians and music lovers on here, if anyone knew of any other albums which bring in huge money due to demand or scarcity. The only other one I can think of is the band HURT's demo disc, The Consumation which was traded for well over a hundred dollars before it was re-released and HURT was discovered as a national band. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=239648#Comment_239648 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=239648#Comment_239648 Thu, 20 May 2010 23:08:11 -0700 jeremiah Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=239649#Comment_239649 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=239649#Comment_239649 Thu, 20 May 2010 23:09:11 -0700 jeremiah http://blog.discogs.com/2010/02/top-100-music-w-highest-selling-price.html ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=239777#Comment_239777 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=239777#Comment_239777 Fri, 21 May 2010 08:38:51 -0700 joe.distort LAWRENCE ARMS-buttsweat and tears 7"(ltd/100 clear purple 10th anniversary show version) -$150
CONVERGE-jane doe 2x12"-(original black press) $90
SAETIA-s/t -$60
CIRCLE TAKES THE SQUARE-1st demo $65
AMERICAN NIGHTMARE-background music (original press with AN name before legal battles forced a name change/repress)-$50

this is only counting things i am actually willing to sell! haha

the mosty expensive stuff i know of are
THE FIX-vengeance 7" goes for $1900+
NEGATIVE APPROACH-1st 7" occasionally sells for $1000
same with some rare presses of NECROS, MINOR THREAT, JUDGE and other early 80s HC.

this is just my area of knowledge. some soul, early rock and r&b records go for $10,000+

i could talk about this for pages, so please fire away and i will answer any questions i can. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240065#Comment_240065 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240065#Comment_240065 Sat, 22 May 2010 14:17:57 -0700 tachyon42
For me though, I don't collect in terms of scarcity alone, but if I actually like the music. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240073#Comment_240073 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240073#Comment_240073 Sat, 22 May 2010 15:47:16 -0700 voyou We Didn't Say That for $184 on Amazon... ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240518#Comment_240518 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240518#Comment_240518 Mon, 24 May 2010 17:52:36 -0700 joe.distort For me though, I don't collect in terms of scarcity alone, but if I actually like the music.

yup. thats why im weeding stuff out-its just too much to keep things that i like having but never listen to. if i like something and somehow end up with a rare/ltd version of it, i would rather flip it and buy more records AND the regular version of said vinyl with the $$$ ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240541#Comment_240541 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240541#Comment_240541 Mon, 24 May 2010 20:51:35 -0700 rickiep00h
I got a first pressing of The Mothers Freak Out!! for $50. It goes from anywhere between $75 and $200 last I checked. There are a few other notable things I have (first pressings of both Are You Experienced? and Electric Ladyland, first US mono pressing of Sgt. Pepper's, etc., some weird quad version of Ziggy Stardust that I don't even have a quad system for) but I'm by no means ravenous.

The only really rare piece of music media I want is Tool's Aenima on vinyl. I've never seen it for less than $200. Oh, and I suppose I'd like Pet Sounds, but whatevs on that. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240635#Comment_240635 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240635#Comment_240635 Tue, 25 May 2010 11:43:30 -0700 tachyon42
I primarily listen to my collection through an ipod or on the computer, but have two sets of backups, a high quality mp3 version for everyday use and a flac version for archiving. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240642#Comment_240642 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240642#Comment_240642 Tue, 25 May 2010 12:37:25 -0700 joe.distort Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240649#Comment_240649 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240649#Comment_240649 Tue, 25 May 2010 13:04:04 -0700 rickiep00h
And pressing CDs is still cheaper than vinyl. An indie band won't really be able to press a vinyl run without significant outlay and major sales. Major bands, well, that's different. They can release pretty much whatever they want and still recoup the costs. But an indie band needs to come up with between $1000-$1500 for a single run of 100 records. CD duplication is much, much cheaper than that. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240652#Comment_240652 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240652#Comment_240652 Tue, 25 May 2010 13:20:17 -0700 joe.distort
to come full circle, its these economic realities that create anomalies like Youth Attack and Hozac records, whos new releases sell out in 20 minutes and are instantly artificially valuable. the RAW NERVE lp, a mere month old, has two limited versions which were gone in minutes and already sell for $50+. of course, we all know it will be back down to realistic levels shortly, but still. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240659#Comment_240659 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240659#Comment_240659 Tue, 25 May 2010 13:42:13 -0700 ZJVavrek
Thank you, however, for pointing out to me that the lead singer has another band or two. I'll be sure to look for their albums, since I liked that guy's style. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240660#Comment_240660 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240660#Comment_240660 Tue, 25 May 2010 13:42:38 -0700 reosarevok Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240665#Comment_240665 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240665#Comment_240665 Tue, 25 May 2010 13:58:43 -0700 joe.distort
another question: does anyone collect/buy test presses? they are pretty neat and all, but i just dont have the $$$ ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240670#Comment_240670 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240670#Comment_240670 Tue, 25 May 2010 14:26:16 -0700 reosarevok
I also have a moral problem with earning money with DIY vinyl. Not the bands, of course, but selling sold out records for 100$ or so just doesn't seem right to me. Of course, if you put them on eBay and they reach the price alone... that's different, but I've seen people directly asking for 80$ for a 7" that says the equivalent of "don't pay more than 3€" in the sleeve. But I have moral problems with a lot of things, so it might just be me. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240672#Comment_240672 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240672#Comment_240672 Tue, 25 May 2010 14:46:35 -0700 joe.distort Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240697#Comment_240697 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240697#Comment_240697 Tue, 25 May 2010 17:41:00 -0700 tachyon42 The torrent I found was only 128 bitrate. Props though if you are the one who put it up, because the album definitely deservers a wider listening base, and most people can't or won't pay ebay prices for it.
Check out Five Finger Death Punch-Mainstream thrash metal, and Motograter(their first self titled album)-Tribal groove metal. Ivan Moody is in both.


I stick with cds because right now I see it as the best preservable quality I can easily buy, being able to rip it into lossless formats. If I had the money? I'd definitely pick up a vinyl copy as well.

I can't think of the band off the top of my head, but I saw an indie group selling an album for well over $100.00(or at least it was the asking price on Amazon) and the tracks were almost less than a minute each, totaling less than ten minutes of music. An experimental group, does anybody know perchance the band? For some reason I thought the name had to do something with insects... It intrigued me but forgot to write it down. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240739#Comment_240739 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240739#Comment_240739 Tue, 25 May 2010 22:24:53 -0700 jeremiah
Vinyl is also really expensive, it cost the bands and/or labels an arm & a leg to make so it ends up being super expensive to buy, and they put way less music on vinyl now, a lot of records have 1-2 songs per side and cost $15...

A long run of CDs makes sense to me, considering the band/label is going to send out 300-500 promos a 1,000 pressing seems reasonable, I know plenty of people who have sold off 500 CDs... (although I also know plenty of people with 900 unsold CDs in their closet) ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240752#Comment_240752 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240752#Comment_240752 Wed, 26 May 2010 00:15:02 -0700 joe.distort @jeremiah if talking about bands sending out that many 'promo' copies of a press i think we may be talking about entirely different arenas of music. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240754#Comment_240754 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240754#Comment_240754 Wed, 26 May 2010 01:23:14 -0700 reosarevok
It is perfectly possible for a band to put out 500 copies of an LP for 6€ each (which might be 6$ over there) without losing money (a bigger run would mean a lower price, but it is usually not a great idea for a first pressing because you don't really know how many you'll sell). Anything over that is profit, unless they want to make a hyper-special cover and use 180g vinyl.

It is still an expensive endeavor, mind you, but it is not SO hard, and as long as you are acceptably good and part of a scene with a vinyl tradition (electronic music, hardcore, doom metal, post rock...) or really good and part of a different scene, they can be sold; many bands from my hometown that have never played out of Spain have sold 90% of their 300 / 500 record pressings within one year. Of course, if you're going to send promo copies, it gets ultra expensive, but you can send your promos on a CDr except to the few people that you KNOW will enjoy the record and have how to play it in their shows / radio / whatever.

The appeal of the format is more subjective, of course, but I'll give you my point of view: if I just want to listen to the music, I'll just get the mp3 (when hard disks start getting much bigger I'll probably change to FLAC, I have too much music for that nowadays). If I want to have something I can hold, I'll go for vinyl any day, because not only the format is more *beautiful* (I mean, come on, CDs are ugly as hell), but the artwork is bigger and nicer; if I didn't care about that it wouldn't make sense to buy the record, it would be better just to send the band a donation.

@tachyon

Seeing that you say "experimental" and "named as an insect" and "less than one minute", I'm going to try my luck and say you're talking about The Locust. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240791#Comment_240791 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240791#Comment_240791 Wed, 26 May 2010 08:01:52 -0700 joe.distort
and in all fairness, spain has a lot of really good diy shit lately! you should see how the kids here flip a shit for DESTINO FINAL et al ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240824#Comment_240824 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240824#Comment_240824 Wed, 26 May 2010 12:07:49 -0700 reosarevok
Actually, at least in my area (with three towns that have a total of 600k people) most people who go to hxc shows are older than me. And I'm already 22... where are the hardcore kids?!?! ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240877#Comment_240877 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240877#Comment_240877 Wed, 26 May 2010 17:56:21 -0700 joe.distort
i imagine this thread will shutter soon since its not even about what it was and i think its like you and me and three other people talking about diy bands now ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240878#Comment_240878 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240878#Comment_240878 Wed, 26 May 2010 18:01:48 -0700 warrenellis i think its like you and me and three other people talking about diy bands now

I'm cool with that.

If I want to have something I can hold, I'll go for vinyl any day, because not only the format is more *beautiful* (I mean, come on, CDs are ugly as hell), but the artwork is bigger and nice

All true -- but I also think there's a continuing failure of invention at the design level in re CDs. They don't have to look like shit, they don't have to render art and text microscopically, and too few people really put in the required effort. It was easy to make a vinyl album look good. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240891#Comment_240891 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240891#Comment_240891 Wed, 26 May 2010 21:11:43 -0700 jeremiah if talking about bands sending out that many 'promo' copies of a press i think we may be talking about entirely different arenas of music.

I am still talking fairly diy, but maybe bands that are going to work hard, promote their album and maybe try to live of it a little, bands that tour for example. On a 4 week US tour they would probably send out about 100 CDs to promote their shows to weeklies/radio stations just in the cities they are going on tour, plus they would be sending promos to radio stations in cities they aren't going to hit up on that tour and magazines/websites that do reviews, so that could very well be 200-300 just in north america, maybe another 50-100 world wide, so not quite 500 I suppose but if you are going to send out that many promos, plus you want a chunk to try and sell you may as well get the discs pressed.... (in this scenario the band members still have to go back to their day jobs when the tour ends and maybe didn't lose money on the tour but maybe broke even). now, some random noise band or something or some local band that is never going to try and do anything outside their local scene then yeah, that can be a little weird to press up CDs.... ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240917#Comment_240917 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240917#Comment_240917 Thu, 27 May 2010 00:49:38 -0700 The_Toxo_Zombie
When it comes to bands doing a very limited run of something handmade then hell yeah I'll shill out the extra money to get a copy. Then you know where your money is going (better at least than if you buy a generic CD or LP at a store) and you get a little something special in return. I think we are coming into an age where there is a great possibility for artists to connect directly with their fans and supporters and limited runs of special items can be a good way to make a fan feel connected. COIL used to call them "artifacts," which I think is pretty apt.

Of course I would only pay extra if I was actually buying straight from the band. All those price gouging bastards on Ebay and Amazon can go fuck themselves. Few things bother me as much as someone buying something just to resell it. ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240921#Comment_240921 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240921#Comment_240921 Thu, 27 May 2010 01:43:46 -0700 reosarevok
I do see your point about sending promos for that, but I keep thinking that's more easily done with a bandcamp page and CDrs nowadays, without having to send for free a CD you spent quite a lot of money on (because in the end 1.5$ per CD + covers + boxes + etc for 500 CDs is still 750$ you're giving away after putting all that effort on them, opposed to nothing for a bandcamp and maybe 0.20$ per copy if you send a CDr in a paper sleeve). I mean, ok, if you made a CD that just looks stunningly great I can understand sending some copies of it to people who do care about design. But most radios / press won't care, I guess... although I might be wrong, if so tell me! ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240986#Comment_240986 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=240986#Comment_240986 Thu, 27 May 2010 10:06:06 -0700 joe.distort
to the aesthetics of vinyl itself, what are peoples favorite variations/colors/extras?

i personally prefer translucent colored vinyl, with red and green probably my favorites. i really dislike the way opaque 'swirl' vinyl looks-something just looks off about it. the fact thats its not solid color makes it look sloppy or poorly done, i feel. i also HATEHATEHATE one sided lps where the other side is just blank. its such a waste, and that means the music probably wouldve fit on to a 7" or at the very least a 10". i do think its cool when a one sided record has an etching or screen print on the b side though. hell, ive got a record where its the same on both sides, but one pressed at 33 and one at 45.

what are some of your favorite/unique records? the self-title DEATHREAT 7" on clear with blue drippings in it that is just gorgeous. ( cant find any images online). also the DESTROY NEW GRENADA comp is on clear red with these little black arrows. so neat.


as far as the layouts, im actually having a hard time right this minute thinking of some of my favorites. how about you guys? ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=241222#Comment_241222 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=241222#Comment_241222 Fri, 28 May 2010 10:23:17 -0700 jeremiah bandcamp page and CDrs nowadays, without having to send for free a CD you spent quite a lot of money on I guess my point is that the extra 500 for promos is actually just as cheap as a CDR if you are already pressing 500 CDs, I just checked the website of a pressing place and 1,000 CDs cost $890 and 500 CDs cost $745 so your 500 promos cost $0.29 each (and are more reliable than a CDR for things like radio stations), the thing that will kill you is postage.

to the aesthetics of vinyl itself, what are peoples favorite variations/colors/extras?


I think colored vinyl in just a transparent sleeve is a pretty cool way to go, I really like the way that looks, especially for something like a 7", and picture discs are generally cool too, pretty much any non standard variation on the black record is pretty cool on some level, I really like white vinyl for some reason... the only non-standard vinyl I don't like is the "technicolor vomit" colored vinyl where it is a bunch of random colors mixed together, but marbleized stuff is cool if they have a good color combo.

one band that regularly does interesting vinyl is the locust:
locust/arab on radar split 7
]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=241234#Comment_241234 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=241234#Comment_241234 Fri, 28 May 2010 11:29:23 -0700 rickiep00h Elephant was pretty awesome. Of course, I'll break my own rule and say that the 10" single we have of U2's "Lemon" in yellow, with no real art design to speak of, is pretty awesome. Though it has some odd pigmentation issues in it, which might be what makes it so visually interesting. (This is actually a two-fer, as it ties into the rarity thread, too... apparently the yellow club remix copy we have is vastly more rare than the normal vinyl single release... we got it for just under $6, and apparently market value is almost ten times that. "Huh," we said, scratching our heads.) ]]> Rare albums worth the price? http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=241250#Comment_241250 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=8268&Focus=241250#Comment_241250 Fri, 28 May 2010 12:25:12 -0700 joe.distort GORLOCK
and on the same label, heres the DANGERS lp/cd

MESSY ISNT IT ]]>