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    • CommentAuthortachyon42
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2010 edited
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    Hello everyone. I am new here, although I've been using the site for a good bit, using the forum to discover a lot of great music.

    Just recently purchased an album which was a project involving Ivan Moody of Five Finger Death Punch fame. Right now the CD (Hypersensitive by Ghost Machine, 2005) is bringing over 50.00 used on ebay and 100.00 USD new. Definitely worth buying though in my opinion. Its so rare no one has pirated it yet.

    Just got me wondering, with the wide range of musicians and music lovers on here, if anyone knew of any other albums which bring in huge money due to demand or scarcity. The only other one I can think of is the band HURT's demo disc, The Consumation which was traded for well over a hundred dollars before it was re-released and HURT was discovered as a national band.
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      CommentAuthorjeremiah
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2010
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    I once bought Pig's "Poke in the eye with a sharp stick" on ebay for $92. In retrospect it was probably a mistake...
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      CommentAuthorjeremiah
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2010
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    ive been thinning out the collection this past year and my personal highest have been
    LAWRENCE ARMS-buttsweat and tears 7"(ltd/100 clear purple 10th anniversary show version) -$150
    CONVERGE-jane doe 2x12"-(original black press) $90
    SAETIA-s/t -$60
    CIRCLE TAKES THE SQUARE-1st demo $65
    AMERICAN NIGHTMARE-background music (original press with AN name before legal battles forced a name change/repress)-$50

    this is only counting things i am actually willing to sell! haha

    the mosty expensive stuff i know of are
    THE FIX-vengeance 7" goes for $1900+
    NEGATIVE APPROACH-1st 7" occasionally sells for $1000
    same with some rare presses of NECROS, MINOR THREAT, JUDGE and other early 80s HC.

    this is just my area of knowledge. some soul, early rock and r&b records go for $10,000+

    i could talk about this for pages, so please fire away and i will answer any questions i can.
    • CommentAuthortachyon42
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2010
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    Rare albums are always of interest to me. Especially those that don't have torrents or reissues, because you are holding a piece of musical history that has probably never been heard by 99% of the population.

    For me though, I don't collect in terms of scarcity alone, but if I actually like the music.
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      CommentAuthorvoyou
    • CommentTimeMay 22nd 2010
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    Saw a copy of Daphne and Celeste's We Didn't Say That for $184 on Amazon...
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    For me though, I don't collect in terms of scarcity alone, but if I actually like the music.


    yup. thats why im weeding stuff out-its just too much to keep things that i like having but never listen to. if i like something and somehow end up with a rare/ltd version of it, i would rather flip it and buy more records AND the regular version of said vinyl with the $$$
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeMay 24th 2010
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    Only really collect vinyl, and that's pretty limited. I used to be a completist for CD collections, but since I've switched most of my collection to digital, it's less of a big deal than it was. I just have to make sure I get that mp3 collection backed up...

    I got a first pressing of The Mothers Freak Out!! for $50. It goes from anywhere between $75 and $200 last I checked. There are a few other notable things I have (first pressings of both Are You Experienced? and Electric Ladyland, first US mono pressing of Sgt. Pepper's, etc., some weird quad version of Ziggy Stardust that I don't even have a quad system for) but I'm by no means ravenous.

    The only really rare piece of music media I want is Tool's Aenima on vinyl. I've never seen it for less than $200. Oh, and I suppose I'd like Pet Sounds, but whatevs on that.
    • CommentAuthortachyon42
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Some cds and vinyl I purchase simply because of the way the music industry is headed, in terms of streaming music and downloads, and with the best bitrate usually offered being 320(some smaller websites do offer wav, and very very few offer lossless, I see cds and rare vinyl albums as being products which may never be produced with the same quality again. Bands which release their albums in vinyl today release in limited quantities and probably won't again. Even remasters can sometimes be poor compared to the originals.

    I primarily listen to my collection through an ipod or on the computer, but have two sets of backups, a high quality mp3 version for everyday use and a flac version for archiving.
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    professional cds at this point seem almost pointless...the people that want to own the actual recordings are sticking with vinyl/tapes and those dont care about the physical thing are content to download. its weird to me that cds are the middle ground being eaten away. when a band puts out a cd only release in 2010, it honestly just confuses me.
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    @joe.distort - Thing about CDs is that they're still higher-fidelity than vinyl from a signal-to-noise ratio standpoint, and they're still far more convenient. Not as convenient as an mp3, of course, but still pretty handy for retention purposes. That "lifetime of enjoyment" thing they used to talk about with CDs is still true. It's just that they don't make enough money. And they need to be mastered properly to actually sound good... just like any other medium.

    And pressing CDs is still cheaper than vinyl. An indie band won't really be able to press a vinyl run without significant outlay and major sales. Major bands, well, that's different. They can release pretty much whatever they want and still recoup the costs. But an indie band needs to come up with between $1000-$1500 for a single run of 100 records. CD duplication is much, much cheaper than that.
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    trust me im aware of the things you mentioned, i still just dont get the point at this juncture. most (diy-i should clarify thats pretty much what im always referring to) bands are only pressing 3-500 records at a time these days anyway since its much better to go to a re-press than it is to sit on a grand worth of unsold vinyl.

    to come full circle, its these economic realities that create anomalies like Youth Attack and Hozac records, whos new releases sell out in 20 minutes and are instantly artificially valuable. the RAW NERVE lp, a mere month old, has two limited versions which were gone in minutes and already sell for $50+. of course, we all know it will be back down to realistic levels shortly, but still.
    • CommentAuthorZJVavrek
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I don't say this to be rude, merely to inform: Hypersensitive has certainly been pirated. By me. Back when I found Ghost Machine's first album (self-titled), I checked the internet to see if they had anything more, and tried out a copy of Hypersensitive I found. I deleted it simply because it had all the songs I liked from the first album, plus new songs that I didn't fancy. This thread prompted me to check and, yes, there's still an active torrent going.

    Thank you, however, for pointing out to me that the lead singer has another band or two. I'll be sure to look for their albums, since I liked that guy's style.
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      CommentAuthorreosarevok
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    Most small independent bands I know go directly from demo cd to vinyl without even thinking of releasing an "official" CD. And the ones that do release CDs usually sit on them longer than with the vinyls. Also talking about DIY, of course.
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      CommentAuthorjoe.distort
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010 edited
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    totally- and you can find demo cdrs that are about equivalent in value to demo tapes. for the purposes of this conversation, i do consider cdrs done as demo or for a super quick turnaround tour-only thing still relevant. its just the pro ones where im confused

    another question: does anyone collect/buy test presses? they are pretty neat and all, but i just dont have the $$$
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      CommentAuthorreosarevok
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    I don't have the money to buy half the normal vinyl I'd want. Test presses might be nice, but unless I happen to be walking down the street and having one fall on my head, I'd say they're not for me.

    I also have a moral problem with earning money with DIY vinyl. Not the bands, of course, but selling sold out records for 100$ or so just doesn't seem right to me. Of course, if you put them on eBay and they reach the price alone... that's different, but I've seen people directly asking for 80$ for a 7" that says the equivalent of "don't pay more than 3€" in the sleeve. But I have moral problems with a lot of things, so it might just be me.
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    i had never sold anything on ebay until after i moved this year and just needed to thin it out. i used to feel it was wrong, but now i have no problem making a little money on records that i dont like. HOWEVER, i think its fucked to buy something with the sole purpose of flipping for a profit- i did it a small amount of times, and it just felt wrong and i wont do it again.
    • CommentAuthortachyon42
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    @ZJVavrek
    The torrent I found was only 128 bitrate. Props though if you are the one who put it up, because the album definitely deservers a wider listening base, and most people can't or won't pay ebay prices for it.
    Check out Five Finger Death Punch-Mainstream thrash metal, and Motograter(their first self titled album)-Tribal groove metal. Ivan Moody is in both.


    I stick with cds because right now I see it as the best preservable quality I can easily buy, being able to rip it into lossless formats. If I had the money? I'd definitely pick up a vinyl copy as well.

    I can't think of the band off the top of my head, but I saw an indie group selling an album for well over $100.00(or at least it was the asking price on Amazon) and the tracks were almost less than a minute each, totaling less than ten minutes of music. An experimental group, does anybody know perchance the band? For some reason I thought the name had to do something with insects... It intrigued me but forgot to write it down.
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      CommentAuthorjeremiah
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2010
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    CDs are my preferred format, probably because that is the format of my youth, but I don't really get the appeal of vinyl, they are a pain in the ass. If I have a CD I can easily listen to it at home in my car and at work, a record I could only play at home (which is where I listen to music the least).

    Vinyl is also really expensive, it cost the bands and/or labels an arm & a leg to make so it ends up being super expensive to buy, and they put way less music on vinyl now, a lot of records have 1-2 songs per side and cost $15...

    A long run of CDs makes sense to me, considering the band/label is going to send out 300-500 promos a 1,000 pressing seems reasonable, I know plenty of people who have sold off 500 CDs... (although I also know plenty of people with 900 unsold CDs in their closet)
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    @tachyon i cant really help...theres probably a hundred fast hardcore records that easily sell for $100 for less than ten minutes of music. multiply that by tenfold if talking about a limited version instead of a regular press
    @jeremiah if talking about bands sending out that many 'promo' copies of a press i think we may be talking about entirely different arenas of music.