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    • CommentAuthorfod_xp
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
     (8500.41)
    I want to get a tattoo that says "Paul Duffield here" with an arrow pointing to my bum.

    Anyway, love the art, and I would absolutely *die* to see Connor's face when he learns his "not-friends" can't die.

    Sorry, bud, thems the brakes, might want to ask Kaz and KK to make him a steam powered laptop or audio recording device so Connor can continue to record.
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    Sorry, folks, I'm not saying I hate Connor, didn't mean to give that impression. Just... of all the things to go do at the end of the world, it seems like whining. There's real problems going on, and not everyone has time for Connor to be emo. At the same time, it's very typical of that type personality, and very human. I have a roommate that's a good friend of mine who Connor reminds me of. Whom I love dearly. Who can be very annoying. Which is great for a story, but sometimes a pain to actually have to deal with the problems that person leaves behind, because "they can't deal," and the rest of us have to actually get our hands dirty and solve problems. Like Karl, Kait, Jack and a few others do. They're the realistic ones that know being concerned with how people feel about a situation only matters if you can survive it in the first place.
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
     (8500.43)
    When would be a good, more appropriate time to act emotionally? It's stopped raining, the shots have been fired. Everyone who's going to fall to the earth has done so. As far as Connor is concerned all that's to be said and done has been said and done. Moreover, if Arkady hadn't stopped him he would have slipped away quietly with nothing to explain or extrapolate. I just don't get how it would be considered better if he were mad at everyone instead of simply trying to take himself out of the mess.


    Maybe... maybe the way the people who "can deal" solve problems is utter crap. Maybe that "realistic" approach is a bogus escape from being mature, patient and compassionate. Maybe putting a gun to someone isn't an actual solution (and holy shit! for Freakangels it really ISN'T!) and the realistic ones are going to have to aim for something superior to survival.
    • CommentAuthorVox Doom
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
     (8500.44)
    I would lay bets on Connor feeling pretty scared about the prospect of bringing his concerns up with the more forthright Angels. He'll never admit that to them though.

    Can't blame him for feeling intimidated myself.
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    Just chiming in to say that I love love love the panels of emergence after the rain. The kids playing in the puddle, just gorgeous. I notice how clean everything looks- Whitechapel seems washed of its sins. But then, we are reminded... all is not clean. Love, love, love this.

    I sympathize with Connor. I think readers are forgetting that there is history here we haven't seen. We don't know what Connor has or hasn't said or done in the past. Sometimes all you can do for your own sanity is to walk away.
    • CommentAuthorKidAnarchy
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010 edited
     (8500.46)
    How is walking away when you have the ability to change something,hopefully for the better being mature or patient ? And if it is to protect himself he has no right to the moral high ground as it is an ultimately selfish act.
    Surely its just abdicating on responsibility ? I'm not suggesting that confrontation or putting a gun to someone is a solution but really "with great power" etc.
    Often times of crisis are the worst times to act emotionally and this is clearly what we have witnessed,especially as he has been too busy wallowing in self pity too actually take onboard the reality of the situation.
    Sure Luke got shot (to the angels that's just a minor inconvenience) but Luke perpertrated heinous acts that personally i cannot condone and i am sure neither would connor.
    Its fair enough taking action to preserve yourself but the manner in which Connor expresses it just seems slightly self indulgent especially when addressed to arkady, who imo would probably understand his concerns on a larger scale.
    Im probably getting over involved here...
    There are larger issues to address such as the new found ability to effect local weather conditions which could in turn bring positive benefits to the people whom the gang's actions have directly impacted and additionally if they are as powerful as it would seem then how are any of them to answer for anything they have done ?
    On the plus side if he does leave it could add an interesting sub plot so we could see first hand what the rest of the surrounding country is like through his rather unique lens.
    Waffle etc...
    • CommentAuthorVox Doom
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010
     (8500.47)
    Well, we have the advantage of looking at things from an outside perspective remember, we're not the ones all the arguing and weirdness is affecting directly. He certainly is being self indulgent, it doesn't mean his feelings are invalid or that he has to accept his 'responsibility', plus, he feels he has nothing to offer anyway.

    And like I said, he's probably intimidated by the more dominant personalities in the group so he doesn't want to confront them directly.
    • CommentAuthorKidAnarchy
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2010 edited
     (8500.48)
    Nobody is obliged to accept responsibility but not doing so renders you pretty powerless in the long term so if his objections are so strongly felt then I find it hard to believe they are from a genuine sense of conviction to his beliefs.
    If indeed his departure is motivated by fear then i have even less time for the guy..."Fear is the mind killer,the little death that beckons total oblivion"
    Is he not the the communication/empathic matrix for the group ? That in itself imparts him a certain opportunity to effect the situation,ie. "the medium is the message"
    Don't get me wrong I'm not hating on him and to be fair i feel he is in some respects, justified in his response to the situation (after all his childhood friends are behaving rather like what they are,young people granted gross power in an extreme and trying situation) it all just seems a bit passive aggressive.
    Whatever really I am not writing it and I will wait to see what happens but suffice to say im truely engaged and impressed by the portrayal of group dynamics.
    Biggup Warren Ellis & The Purple Eyed Massive,Thanks for providing such an interesting,involving and FREE reality tunnel to escape into.
    I am going to lapse into unconciousness now,I hope everyone has an awesome weekend.
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    Remember - this is not your everyday group situation! These guys have jaw dropping lets deconstruct a building and put it back together again powers, so although I sympathise with the point about taking responsibility etc etc, I can also understand how a member of that group might feel that the only appropriate response is to 'get the hell out of Dodge' ... And its really not enough for 'naif' Arkady to go all manga-eyed and 'you're my friend', not when the others are stomping around all hard-ass, even if necessarily.

    Another stunning opening sequences, btw (apart from the 'fookin'!)

    Ok, back to the grappling with inequivalent representations in quantum field theory ...
    • CommentAuthorfa4ever
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2010
     (8500.50)
    For everyone calling Connor a whiny self-righteous hypocrite and the like, here's something to think about. He's the recorder. He keeps track off all the shit that goes on with these people and remembers it and writes it down. Karl wears a tinfoil hate, KK gets drunk and has sex, Jack sails off on his boat, Kirk sits up on his tower by himself, and sirkka has her harem there, and kait obsesses over catching criminals. Caz has her science projects to keep her going, Miki has her clinic, and arkady is so carefree and optimistic that things don't bother her much. While they all have some form of escape or avoidance or a cause to help them endure all this, his job is to remember it all. After a while, i expect that could get to be just to much. I mean, listening to luke bitch and moan about how unfair the world is to him would make me wanna bail, and having to listen to ALL of them bitch and moan and fight and get drunk and have sex all the time? That must suck more than I can imagine.

    And who says he's never tried to speak up? there's 6 years of stuff we haven't seen, he could have just gotten more withdrawn over time, not that he seemed very self-confident in the flashbacks. I was really looking forward to connor being a major player when I first started reading, and I was disappointed when it seemed like he became just an afterthought. I'm glad he's becoming a more central character so we can learn more about who he is instead of just labeling him "whiny emo" like so many people are doing.
    • CommentAuthorFan
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2010
     (8500.51)
    You don't love me / listen to me, so I'm going ... it's an attention-getting device, isn't it: like holding your breath; seems immature.
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    How is it attention getting? If Arkady had not popped in out of nowhere, Connor wouldn't even have told anyone he was leaving. Remember that he could have broadcast that little rant to anybody within a pretty large vicinity if he wanted, but he only told Arkady. She pressed him when he was upset, and he yelled. It's just a sign of how mad he is that he didn't say anything without being prompted, and that he was capable of yelling at Arkady. I think people are being a little too hard on him, here.
  5.  (8500.53)
    I think it appears to be an "attention getting device" because, even though he didn't broadcast it, we (or at least I) am relating it to previous experiences with real life people, who have done nearly the exact same thing.

    Like I said, I don't hate Connor, (I'm just being quite severe in my judgement of him) I actually really like this scenario, for while it is exactly NOT something I would do in this situation, it is something I could quite easily imagine others doing. It is a very realistic scenario, all things considered, when you add up all of the personality archtypes together. It's just that with my personality, I would be really, really pissed if one of my friends/siblings burned off in the middle of yet more drama.

    To quote Lost (yeah, I know, sorry) "live together, die alone" although dying may not yet be possible for the FA as they understand it, their goals will likely suffer (i.e. keeping the rest of the Whitechapel residents alive) if they begin to break down any further. And while taking Mark or Luke out (whether that's actually possible remains to be seen) definitely doesn't keep status quo, keeping them from continuing their destructive actions definitely is a better alternative than letting them spiral down even more. Having Connor bail in the middle of all this would drive me nuts. Hence my venom.

    Again, loving the storyline, and imagining what it would be like to be involved, and how I would feel if I was there. Not just picking on poor, vulnerable Connor.

    (edited for grammar)
  6.  (8500.54)
    Lots of discussion as to Connor's angst and childish behavior. I still remember yesterday, or more particularly episode 5...



    There aren't too many silly, angst-ridden kids who could calmly talk while a knife is held to their throat. Connor and Arkady are the only ones I've seen literally risk their neck so far for others.

    If I watched the kids I grew up with trying to kill each other off, I would probably question sticking around too.
    • CommentAuthorShannonC
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2010
     (8500.55)
    Connor's function in the group is perspective. He's the recorder. He stands back from the mess, takes everything in, and sees the bigger picture to his best ability. Kait, KK, Jack, they're all just doing what they do best - dealing with the big mess as it is blowing up. These personality types clash naturally, much in the same way Jack and Sirka just had their falling out. When they work together, though, they can pull together a little safe haven like Whitechapel.

    So yes, I suppose Connor wanting to leave is self-indulgent of him, but it is also a pretty honest reaction. Living with these people, he's probably had similar reactions before. They probably all have. I hazard to say any one of us would, in the situation. I think I'd be pretty tempted to at least try out the aluminum foil hat approach. But, because they function best as a group, whenever someone pushes boundaries (in Luke's case) or just can't deal with things (in Connor's case) there is always someone else there to stop them from doing something dumb. Or kick them in the junk, if need be. That's what friends do. That's what makes them friends.

    I'm sure Connor is going to soon realize that all Arkady is doing right now is listening to him. Now that the shit has finished hitting the fan, they're going to need Connor to help sort everyone out. In fact, I think a lot of the Angels with little screen time up until now are going to come to the fore.
  7.  (8500.56)
    On the "which Freakangel are you" thread I identified with Connor for a variety of reasons - his self-esteem issues weren't one I mentioned, but it fits. He's his own worst enemy. In trying to slip away without saying anything, he's doing the "taking poison and hoping your enemy dies" thing. I've been there.

    He is behaving self-indulgently here, but it's in character, and he's really no more self-indulgent than most of the angels are most of the time, and less attention-seeking than Jack repeatedly sulking off on his boat. He still needs to wise up and learn to be a bit more assertive, but you never know though - maybe he does need to get out, away from these people he relates so unhealthily to, for a while and learn a bit of self-reliance.

    Paul - gorgeous drawing of the building with the broken roof on the top of page 4. You use shadows beautifully.
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    Also, why is Sirkka's panel on page two all spotty? I know it's not my computer screen, though that really could use a cleaning, too.


    Completely unrelated to previous ranting, I noticed this too. Are Sirkka's emotions causing it to snow in her apartment? Nice.
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2010
     (8500.58)
    It's like this, @John Skylar. It's immature to take time for yourself and keep your hurt in the background. Obviously, it's more mature (not to mention cool and worthy of "favorite character" dom) if you run about waving guns at people, cursing, raping, shackling people, or dropping lol-worthy phrases. That is how a right proper adult acts. That is NOT being emotional in a crisis. That is NOT being self-indulgent. Don't you get it?

    /sarcasm

    It's always struck me the only way for a quiet, polite, patient person to really get noticed, not to mention all of their virtues, seems to be for them to lose it. To act wholly unlike themselves and just erupt. In fiction it works... In fiction the people who have goaded the kind person to fomentation back up and realize what they've done. In reality...I've noticed it just means that people get mad when their former doormat is now taking them to task. Because kindness requires compassion and compassion requires understanding where the other person is coming from. And in reality those people who had been used to taking advantage of their quiet friends rarely have it in them to truly understand such a friend.

    Maybe Arkady will. One can hope.
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    Also, why is Sirkka's panel on page two all spotty? I know it's not my computer screen, though that really could use a cleaning, too.

    Sirkka's bedroom is always spotty. I think it's a combination of languorous sunlight seeping through the curtains and her not bothering to dust much.
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    @Purple Wyrm
    Bang on :)

    @Badbear
    Also, how did those Highland cows get to London from Scotland?
    There are Highland Cattle all over! I used to live in Winchester (way down south) and there were a whole bunch of them roaming free around the downs near Stockbridge (which also happened to be a popular walking spot, so it was very intimidating, they still had their horns!)