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    @Paul - I remember those cows I think! - they have had them down here near Portsmouth too on Hazleton Common.
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    ali g met one of those cows

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hshvZf5HSNU"></a>

    'wtf is dat man! check out dat mutha ' LOL
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2010
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    My cousin, when she was a little girl (four, maybe five) was pissed off at her mum. Her mum was all like "well, that's fine but you still have to do what I say." My cousin, fuming with little girl rage, thought for a minute (seriously, you could smell burning rubber and see the steam coming out her ears) and replied, quite seriously and quite petulantly "All right, finE! I won't chew gum anymore! So there!" So in my family, whenever someone's being a dog in a manger or doing the Little John Put-Upon act, we always say "Fine! I won't chew gum anymore!"

    So long, Connor. Enjoy not chewing gum, ya wanker.

    I second Alice's notion about the spliff.
    • CommentAuthorNakedCelt
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2010
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    My cousin, fuming with little girl rage, thought for a minute (seriously, you could smell burning rubber and see the steam coming out her ears) and replied, quite seriously and quite petulantly "All right, finE! I won't chew gum anymore! So there!"
    False analogy. Connor wasn't being "Little John Put Upon", he was trying to leave without being noticed. Only when challenged did he burst out in anger, and frankly given the power he has as a FreakAngel a mere "Fuck off, I'm sick of this" is a damn sight more controlled and adult than the shooting and brain-spiking and chair-bashing and ball-kicking the others have been doing.
    Why should Connor want to stay? Anybody?
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2010
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    Agreed, NakedCelt. With the knowledge he has now, the state he's in now, I figure Connor shouldn't want to stay. But the keyword is want. We have more information (I think) and it seems like he's going to *need* to stay with them.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2010
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    Why should Connor want to stay? Anybody?


    He probably shouldn't. He's got a point, about them shooting each other and torture pits and all. BUT ... and this is a big BUT ... he should probably grow up an bit and realize that it's not all about him and his feelings. Does he owe some duty of care to the normal people in Whitechapel or even to his fellow Freakangels?

    Connor (and arguably Miki and Caz) have received the least screen time and Connor has received the least character development of all the FA's so far. I expect it'll be the Connor show for the next bit and we'll see more about him that will hopefully make (some of) us like him more and make him less of a whiny git.
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2010
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    BUT ... and this is a big BUT ... he should probably grow up an bit and realize that it's not all about him and his feelings.
    I think this goes for all of them. People have been saying the same thing about Mark and Luke and Jack, and I could certainly (attempt to) make a case for Sirkka and KK and maybe Kait.
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      CommentAuthorBerserker
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2010
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    Why should Connor want to stay? Anybody?


    He should stay for the same reason the Kait was kicking Jack in the balls over - they're stuck with each other, and it's time for them to grow up and deal with it. And let's face it, if this group of people needs anything, it's someone as level-headed, calm, and reasoning as Connor.

    Of all the Freakangel's, he's the ONLY one who hasn't had his head somewhere else all this time. The rest have been too deeply involved in their own little worlds to have really payed any attention to much outside themselves - except Conner, who hasn't been doing much of anything else except watching them all at it.

    He should stay because without him? They'll never find a reasonable perspective between them all.
    • CommentAuthorNakedCelt
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2010 edited
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    BUT ... and this is a big BUT ... he should probably grow up an bit and realize that it's not all about him and his feelings. Does he owe some duty of care to the normal people in Whitechapel or even to his fellow Freakangels?
    ...
    and we'll see more about him that will hopefully make (some of) us like him more and make him less of a whiny git.


    Yeah, a couple of assumptions there.
    A) he isn't a whiny git, and he doesn't think it's all about him or his feelings; he was trying not to draw attention to himself until Arkady stymied that. This is an important point; get a handle on it now. We have been watching Connor pack up and leave for the last few episodes. That doesn't mean he's been doing it for an audience in-story.
    And B) what "duty of care"? Can none of the other Angels write? Connor's "one big happy family" dream is actually about the second-most sensible thing one can do with people walking around with massive pieces of psychic weaponry in their heads. That having failed, Connor is now doing the most sensible thing, namely removing one of the pieces of weaponry out of temptation's way.
    Or, at least, if I were in Connor's position right now, that's what I'd be thinking; and for that reason, I'd be doing exactly what he's doing.
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    I really hate the word "whiny". It's only really used against nerdy, quiet men (rarely women) when they express any kind of unhappiness, because we expect them to suck it up and suffer in silence. Ironically enough, that's what Connor's trying to do, while most of the other angels complain about anything and everything pretty much all the time, but they're not "whining" because we expect them to assert their feelings, self-indulgently or otherwise - and because they're free to do that, they can vent and let it go, but Connor can't because he's got no outlet, so he holds onto it and it turns into resentment and self-pity. Unfortunately for Connor, he's known these guys all his life, and it's going to be very difficult for him to stick around and learn to assert himself because that means changing a very long-established pattern of how he relates to the others and how they relate to him. For the sake of Connor's mental health he probably does need to leave. Whether that suits Warren's story purposes, we shall no doubt find out.
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    I quite like the idea of him roaming the ruined country, healing broken-legged hedgehogs and other waifs and strays, like a demi-goth Gandalf. That would be awesome.
    • CommentAuthorthud
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2010
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    @JonCarpenter- I think you're on to something there.
    But how about the rest of them, too? That would be an ideal way to disperse their problem with each other if they each found another location and became "caretakers" for a region.
    Perhaps if Connor leaves it could inspire the others to do the same.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2010
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    @NakedCelt - yeah, I'm assuming. And I stand by my statement that he's a whiny git. As to the duty of care ... "scribe" or "recorder" is his function, yeah? An important one but not so much as, say, "scrounger" or "engineer" or "doctor" or "police". Those are functions that have priority, in my mind. Is he simply recording things or is he making up stories for people to take their minds off their situation? If the latter, then yes, he's very, very important. If the former, then hell, a monkey with a notebook could do his job. "Today it rained. Joe Scmoe had a fight with his wife. No apples in the market today." If he's entertaining people with stories that he made up, then he's more like a "troubador" and hell, yes take to the roads and byways and spread your gifts instead of singing emo songs and going "plink-plunk nobody loves me." As I said, he's received so little screen time, WE DON'T KNOW but I imagine we'll find out. We DO know the others, particularly KK, like to pick on him.

    @PatrickBrown re :"whiny"
    It's only really used against nerdy, quiet men (rarely women) when they express any kind of unhappiness, because we expect them to suck it up and suffer in silence.

    I respectfully disagree. But yes, there is a cultural expectation to "be a man" and not um ... whine.
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    It's true Connor's function seems less essential to survival than any of the others, but we might say he has a "higher purpose", quite literally. He provides the collective superorganism I'm hereby assuming the Freakangels are with perspective. Through him they look at themselves from the outside, which forms the basis for conscience and consciousness, which lets them grow past the bare essentials of survival.

    In theory, anyway.

    Wildly speculative theory, anyway.
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      CommentAuthorrickiep00h
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2010
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    From a more literal stance, he's essential to their continued survival. Theoretically he should be the one keeping them from repeating the same mistakes over and over.

    Which is probably what has him irked more than anything. He's practically useless as long as they keep sniping at each other. Well, not exactly "useless," more like... misused? Underutilized? Yeah, I'll go with that.
    • CommentAuthorNakedCelt
    • CommentTimeJul 7th 2010
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    instead of singing emo songs and going "plink-plunk nobody loves me."
    Neither of which Connor is doing; he's packing up and leaving without being noticed. Or trying to. Still waiting for that little point to get through, are we?
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJul 8th 2010 edited
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    Still waiting for that little point to get through, are we?




    You DID get that I was being facetious, yes? No? Well, I was. Sorry about that. Boy, ya shake the trees and all the Connor-fans fall out.


    he's packing up and leaving without being noticed. Or trying to.


    If he wanted to leave secretly, why stop and yell at Arkady? I imagine Connor will get some screen time in the next episode(s) to explain himself thoroughly and that will be that. I also think he ain't going anywhere.
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    If he wanted to leave secretly, why stop and yell at Arkady?


    Well, in all fairness, she did kind of teleport right into where he was walking. She's got a habit of doing that.
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    Connor is just pissed off- and with reason! Torture pits, shooting each other...what's happening there? I'm beginning to sympatize with Luke the Scapegoat...ok, it'sa bastard, but they're not exacthy trying to rehab him, are they?
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    Laughing at the idea of Sirkka "rehabbing" Luke.

    "Oh, Sirkka, I changed my mind, I'm starting to LIKE these full-blown orgies...!"