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    • CommentAuthormrodie1972
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010
    Am i not alone ?
    I've noticed in past few years that MARVEL have gone STUPID with flooding of titles and expect their readers to buy every big EVENT titles- considering the recession !

    Avengers now has about 4/5 titles
    Captain America 2/3
    X-men - a dozen
    Spiderman-the same

    I now only read titles (due to budget) based on 1. Review 2. Good writer / artist 3. Instinct.
    Example i like X-MEN but only have bought Warren's ASTONISHING as a good intelligent read-unlike the jumbled mess / cross-overs of other titles.
    Same with Daredevil - good quality book with good writers / artists, but i'm only getting Shadowland / DD title.

    I'm 38 and feel old enough/mature to vote with my wallet.
    Also, i'm now leaning towards trying new creator-owned material from other writer / artists / publishers..
    Plus i want to read a story that will last time eg will happily read in years to come-think Frank Miller Batman etc

    Anyone else here feel the same ?
    Rant over..

    • CommentAuthorPow
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010 edited
    I can't say it particularly bothers me since I don't read a whole lot of the marvel cape books, but I do wonder how some publishers turn a profit with the sheer number of similar books churned out. Does anyone really like the Green Hornet enough to support all those different series from dynamite?
  1.  (8739.3)
    Ignore the shite titles like most of the rest of us will, and they'll disappear on their own.
      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010
    I've also wondered about the Green Hornet thing. And the Red Circle books DC was doing. It seems every few years, they revive those books (remember Impact! Comics? No? Just as well.)

    I am so done with events. I still take a peek at mainstream continuity books but I don't pay money for 'em. There's not really much left to be said about a lot of these characters and it just seems like treading water most of the time.
    • CommentAuthorSpike3185
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010
    I've been finding that when I get my comics pile home, the indie stuff gets read first, like Walking Dead, Locke & Key, Irredeemable, Chew, whatever else I'm reading. After that is Marvel Ultimate Universe (I get Avengers 2/3/whatever it is at this point. The Millar one, not the Loeb one. That and Ultimate Spider-Man). and after allll that, if I have the energy or haven't found anything better to do, I'll get on to the regular Marvel/DCU stuff, usually starting with whatever Green Lantern comics I got, and petering out from there till we get down to Batman, which I hardly get through anymore and if I do, I won't remember much of it an hour later. I've been able to get it so the only Spider-Man title I buy is Ultimate, and aside from that I'm hard pressed to remember any other Marvel titles I buy regularly. DC is usually the GL/Batman stuff but I could see getting to the point where the only Batman I end up getting is whatever comic Batwoman ends up in for my girlfriend.

    In short, yes, I'm definitely getting tired of all this event shit and having to buy 8 comic titles to understand one storyline. But rather than try and figure out which titles to get out of the 6 for each character, I just stop buying that character's comics entirely over time (usually by trying to see which comics I can remember and would still read again the day after I've read them all), and end up saving my money for better shit.

    On the other hand, a good amount of the guys who go to my shop come out of there with like 3-inch stacks weekly, so maybe there are enough people buying these ancillary titles to keep them going.
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    i avoid a lot of that stuff as well. most of my buying is from image/vertigo/avatar/icon/semi-small press these days (i consider small press to be much smaller scale, more independent, but whatever, who cares). it actually snuck up on me as i was a HUGE dc continuity nerd, but i think i buy just a few of their books nowadays. marvel has a more diverse lineup i think, but i dont touch most of their big franchises. honestly, you cant get too bent out of shape about it. just dont buy it or read it...
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    I’ve felt this way about Marvel since around 1992.
    • CommentAuthorlooneynerd
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010
    I don't think it's just Marvel, I think it's an industry problem in General. Let's face it, Comics are basically a niche market. Comics rarely reach sales of over half a million each (the only one to do it the 2000's was the Obama issue of Spider-Man, which was mostly due to collectors purchasing it). Most comics are (to my understanding) mostly purchased by a tiny, loyal following for each series (tiny, of course, compared to something like more traditional novels). And yet right now there are hundreds (maybe thousands?) of titles for sale at any one time. It's one of the things killing the industry, I think...
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010
    However many DC/"Brightest Day" titles going on as well...this is sooooo not just a "Marvel" thing.

    I have mixed feelings about the state of comics these days when it comes to stuff like books "flooding" the market. Especially when you also then hear complaints from the fan community about the same old-same old few creators doing the same books over and over again. More books/anthologies out also offers more opportunities for more talent to get showcased, which I think is a good thing. Because obviously less books on the market means that companies are going to be less inclined to take any chances on newer unproven talents.

    But whatever, let's just complain about there's too many AVENGERS books for Brian Michael Bendis to write all of them so Marvel has to "settle" on writers like Dan Slott or Fred Van Lente to write them.
    • CommentAuthorPablo
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010
    Not really. I mean, it's not like I have to read everything they put out.
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    and i just realized this thread is the first post from this guy-no offense mr odie, but whitechapel is USUALLY not for these kinds of threads. its more about weird/fringey/interesting stuff, not complaining about marvel having too many avengers books. not telling anyone what to do, but...this is one of those things that may just get shut down.
    • CommentAuthormanglr
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010
    Well with the recent press releases in the past couple of days of yet another Thor and Hulk family title, November appears to be shaping up about the same as usual from Marvel.

    I grew up a Marvel zombie, and at one point in the nineties consistently bought and/or sampled nearly everything in their line. Over the past year or two, I've dropped nearly everything. Three Marvel books remain: Uncanny X-Men, SHIELD, Secret Warriors. I like what Hickman's doing with his titles, and I have a stupid fanboy tick about not breaking my run on UXM. Some stuff like Brubaker's Captain America I may continue to trade wait (that particular title got cut due to the $3.99 price point and a back up feature I don't want).

    I've had a 'good' run of luck of buying into dead on arrival Marvel titles such as Atlas, Captain Britain, and SWORD. Right now, I'm so sick of endless family of copy cat franchise books that I can't see myself buying into much from them until things change. Sadly, the Marvel Universe doesn't seem to have much diversity going for it any longer.

    I still buy just as many books as ever, but now Dark Horse, Image, Avatar, IDW pick up the slack. And oddly enough, I'm really glad to see the continued expansion of the ICON line as I think both Casanova and Scarlet are good to great reads.

    I want good comics, and I'm not settling for 'meh' books any longer.
    • CommentAuthormanglr
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2010
    Heck if you want to read something cool, pick up 'Strange Science Fantasy' by Scott Morse with backup features by friggin' Paul Pope. That's a book that earning my money.
    • CommentAuthorKen Miller
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2010
    I get some of the Avengers titles, but I haven't made my mind up yet re: the whole 'Heroic Age' tag.
    • CommentAuthorAllen
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2010
    This really doesn't bother me one bit. I also can't remember the last Marvel title I bought, or for that matter the last DCU title that wasn't written by Morrison. They can flood the market all they want, as long as I can pick up Vertigo, Image, and indie books that I want it doesn't affect me one bit.
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2010 edited
    I love Bendis, Fraction, and Brubaker, so I'll pick up anything they write. I've (more often than not) enjoyed Amazing Spider-Man since the "reboot", and I've stuck with it. All the other ancillary titles? I'll pick something up here and there, but I never feel like I have to. I don't need to read six Thor miniseries and one-shots to enjoy the main title, but I might pick one up out of curiosity.

    Marvel is a business, and they're going to throw as many hooks in the water as they can and see what gets a bite. And really, the more books that are out there just means that there are more artists and writers working, which is awesome.
    • CommentAuthorSBarrett
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2010
    I find that this huge flood of comics just makes me trade wait. Especially with the EVENTS!!11!!!

    It just makes it so much easier to wait and get one or two trades (usually as a super slick HC) than, for example, buying every single XBook plus various one-shots that all tie into the story I want to read.

    Even though I love most of the work of the various writers.
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    i will say that i HATE waiting for trades, but i LOVE comics...but with even dc putting out $4 regular sized books now, i am let with little choice in waiting.
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    Part of the problem with all the event books is what they are doing: Heroic Age and Brightest Day/Darkest Night are all event books to return things back to the status quo of 70-90s comic books. Heroic Age happened after the return via Secret Invasion of a handful of old heroes that were returned. Final Crisis brought back Barry Allen and a few others. Instead of charting a new course they are stuck in loops. What is truly maddening is writers like Ellis that had closed these holes with their work. Hell, if you read his work on Avengers and Ultra Force read like a treatise against working for The Man and creation rights. The Nemesis wasnt that bad, she, he, it was just maddened at dealing with already defined worlds, so sought to make something new which was just a mishmash of the same. It is a bold statement, but for a book that is about 15 years old, it could easily be on the stands now. Which is a testament to how great Ellis is, but also a statement about comics being stuck in a loop.