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      CommentAuthorRomeo
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2010
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    Hay there, looking for help.

    I'm trying to throw together a Biopunk web comic, and I'm just looking for resources on both real life genetic science and theory and biopunk literature/comics/films ext... I just read Paulo Bacigalupis' book The Windup Girl, which was excellent, but outside that, and movies like Spliced, and of course half the comics written by Mr' Ellis, I'm having a hard time finding source material.
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      CommentAuthoroddbill
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2010 edited
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    Read Bruce Sterling's short story collection, Visionary in Residence, which has a story in it Bruce identifies as "ribofunk", the bio-genetic take on the cyberpunk aesthetic.

    or Paul Di Filippo's short story collection actually titled Ribofunk.

    There's even a wikipedia article with a few valuable references to follow.

    Also, read this thread and track down other posts here on Whitechapel by John Skylar.

    There is a lot out there to find!
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      CommentAuthoreightser
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2010
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    Oddbill pretty much has you covered, if you play games I would recommend the Bioshock series.
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      CommentAuthorRomeo
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2010
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    I love games, but I have an issue with FPS, I find them really disorienting, so I havnt actually played Bioshock. I need to find some one who knows it and watch them play it.
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      CommentAuthorJohn Skylar
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2010 edited
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    The resources recommended are great (though, Bioshock is kinda handwavy fantasy magic, but still super-awesome). The main addition that I would make to this would be that the real key to writing good science fiction involving biology is a good understanding of evolution by natural selection.

    Natural Selection is absolutely the most important natural law that we've discovered in biology. I recommend reading Stephen Jay Gould as a source on evolutionary biology. I don't think there is anything that man couldn't turn into a baseball metaphor.

    Worth checking out is also the Weird Biology infodump thread here. Little flattered that I was recommended as a source by oddbill...there are also some other first-rate amateur and professional biologists on Whitechapel, and I hope they'll weigh in too.
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      CommentAuthorRomeo
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2010
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    Funny you should mention Evolution by Natural Selection. I'm reading Anarchy Evolution by Greg Graffin as we speak, and I have a copy of Richard Dawkins An Ancestors Tale sitting on the shelf ready to be read. This isn't really for my web comic, I want to go back to university for paleontology, so I'm going to need a huge understanding of EvoBio to make that happen. Really, I'm more interested in the resources for the Bio part of Biopunk. I've been a punker for the last 15 years, I know punk, I can bring the punk. The science, now, that is the tricky part.
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      CommentAuthorNygaard
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2010
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    I remember trying out an RPG billed as biopunk. "Blue Planet", I think. All I know about it is filtered trough my GM, though. Apparently, it had a concept similar to Avatar, in that it had an alien gaia planet with a worryingly detailed and realistic ecology. We mostly played the stock "mess with/help the wretched, savage indian-equivalents" story, so all the weird critters and their wonderful symbiotic relationship didn't get much stage time.
    • CommentAuthorErisah
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2010 edited
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    Looking through Science magazine archives concerning various prostheses or odd genetic experiments conducted on animals (luminescent cats with jellyfish genes anyone?) would probably be also good for source material. The whole life imitates art imitates life mobius reach-around.

    Also, anime. Ghost in the Shell being my personal favourite, but there are plenty of others. Even Neon Evangelion at a stretch.
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    Jeff Noon's Vurt series of novels are some of my fav biopunk. Vurt, Pollen, Nymphomation, Pixel Juice and Needle to the Groove. In that order. Automated Alice is a trippy flashback to Carrol-town that comes between pollen and Nymphomation that is maybe more steampunk? The question mark is key b/c Noon is a very bizzare writer.
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      CommentAuthorInternaut
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2010
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    This may sound dumb, and I may be tempting the arse eels, but Ghost Rider 2099 and the videogame Bioshock.
    • CommentAuthor256
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2010
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    I recommend reading Stephen Jay Gould as a source on evolutionary biology.

    This.

    Also, for very interesting (also provocative, sometimes crazy - quite punk, actually...) ideas, read Stephen Pinker and Dan Dennett. Both of them have done several talks at TED, which is also really worth browsing around.
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      CommentAuthorRomeo
    • CommentTimeOct 13th 2010
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    Nygaard. I am an avid Rollplayer and would love to check out a Biopunk RPG.

    My computer is curently with out a Sound Card... so I have no audio. But I fucking love TED soooo much.

    How about reading on how one might effect the DNA of developed creatures. A lot of the whole premise I am running with hinges on the idea that I can go to a doctor, and have my DNA altered, even as a developed life form.
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      CommentAuthorNygaard
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
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    Definitely Doktor Skylar's thread, then. If you're looking at RPG settings, SJGames' Transhuman Space is probably the most comprehensive, though it's more bio/cyberyuppie than punk.

    I'm not sure I've got the feel for biopunk. Is there some sort of iconic, single image, paragraph or similar thing that might make my brain go click?
    • CommentAuthorcallisto23
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
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    Whatever you do, don't leave out the cosmetic zooplasty!
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      CommentAuthorRomeo
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
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    Otherkin would have a field day in a world where you could just alter your DNA on a whim.
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      CommentAuthorJohn Skylar
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010 edited
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    Definitely Doktor Skylar's thread


    Not quite a (PhD) doctor yet, but I appreciate the vote of confidence. Give me a year or two. :) My expertise is Masters-level, at this point.

    Oh, though, N.B., I do adopt a character with a PhD in the made-up field of "anachronism" over on my fiction blog, which may have resulted in the confusion.
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      CommentAuthorRomeo
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
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    Yeah I just read over the entire thread, fascinating stuff. Seeing how I want to go into Paleontology and retro-viral genetic markers are one of the ways in which decent is tracked through species, it's a topic I'm going to have to familiarize myself with.
    • CommentAuthorrobb
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
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    @Romeo: Does Graffin's book read like an academic text? Anything like his lyrics?
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010
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    Also read Sterling's "Cyberpunk in the Nineties," which despite being about cyberpunk and the nineties is still relevant.

    http://www.streettech.com/bcp/BCPtext/Manifestos/CPInThe90s.html
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      CommentAuthorstsparky
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2010 edited
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    Paolo Bacigalupi's short story collection is also good.

    I believe "The Artificial Kid" and "Islands in the Net" are precursors ...