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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2010
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    Just finished seeing RED and I loved the hell out of it, especially the performances by Helen Mirren, John Malkovich and Brian Cox. Malkovich especially was hilariously great. The plot was pretty ridiculous, but so what? It was obvious that those involved has as great a time filming this movie as I had watching it.

    In truth, I'll probably end up seeing RED again (pun intended)

    Yes, I know there was another thread for the movie but that one devolved into trollish silliness. Hopefully this one will do better.
    • CommentAuthorTam-Lin
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2010
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    It was enjoyable, but disappointing. Mary Louise Parker was only there as arm candy, the black guy dies, and only the bad guys get hurt. So, yes, basically a typical American action movie. Good special effects, for the most part.
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      CommentAuthorFishelle
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2010
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    Enjoyable, but it certainly wasn't anything like the comic. At all. The main idea was gone. Moses was the hero, and not any sort of monster. And the ending was gone. If I hadn't been warned, I probably would have been pissed. I went in expecting at least a little more similarity to the source material. Not much, but a little. All they really had in common was the name and a couple small plot points.
    It was like most other action films, really. More enjoyable than most. But it certainly wasn't RED.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2010
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    @ Fishelle

    American audiences are never going to accept a monster as one of the protagonists of their films unless he's dating Kristen Stewart. For myself, I make it a personal policy to avoid comparing adapted material to source material because That Way Lies Madness. The only thing you can do is look at a work on its own merits. And this had a good bit of merit. Senior Citizen Secret Agents is pretty good high concept for a film, especially when you consider that the "sexy, young girl" of the film is 46 years old.
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      CommentAuthorFishelle
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2010
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    @johnjones
    Yeah, I know. But I wish they would, because I would love to see such a film.
    I tried not to compare too much, but the first viewing is always the worst when it comes to adaptations for me. After I've seen it once I know how different it is, and what not to wait for or expect. I guess it was a plus that they were so drastically different, because that made the separation a little easier.
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    I just saw this with a group of people and we all loved it. None of us went in expecting it to be like the comic because, come on, it was only a three issue thing. We went in expecting a fun, ridiculous action and were not disappointed. The entire theatre was laughing through most of the movie. I'd highly suggest this to anyone that doesn't take action movies serious.

    Yes, there were predictable parts, yes, there was cliche's. It's a freaking action film... What the hell were you expecting?
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      CommentAuthorPaladine
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
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    I was disappointed that the writers turned this hostage situation into a meet-cute; Parker being bound and gagged for a long trip and at the hotel again ist just played for laughs. Also, that the black guy died to save the white guys; that there didn't seem to be any danger or stakes, it was all too breezy; that the bad guy didn't end up being who it could have been; that all the shooting only ever killed true baddies and not bystanders (and the black guy). And Bruce was very, very laid back to the point of disinterest.

    Aside from that, I think Malkovich, Mirren, Cox knew exactly what film they were making, and had fun doing so, and the film's plot holes mostly served to make it proceed speedily and not give us any extraneous stuff. A total popcorn movie.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
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    See, I didn't look at it as "the black guys died" so much as "the guy with Stage 4 liver cancer died." That said, you''d've thought that since they all knew the house was being watched they'd've worn some body armor. Of course, that would've meant that Freeman's character wouldn't have died and fuel the vengeance that led to the third act, so I was okay with it.
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    Or you could say Joe put himself in harm's way because that beats crapping out on the second floor of a hospital.
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      CommentAuthorPaladine
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
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    Well, conveniently it was the black guy who had cancer. That's true.
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    Fairly sure, though, that the script didn't specify race for Joe.
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    They needed the sniper, the crazy guy, the main character, and the Russian guy to really move the story along though... it would've been hard to give anyone else cancer.

    And everyone was so well suited for their roles that I'm pretty sure changing actors roles around wouldn't've worked either.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
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    Well, conveniently it was the black guy who had cancer. That's true.


    And perhaps that was the point - convenience. It's not like Morgan Freeman doesn't have other things to do. Figure he read the script and liked it enough to do the movie but preferred not to have one of the larger roles. As of the latest on IMDB, he's involved in at least two other films.
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      CommentAuthorFredG
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
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    Off topic sort of, but why can't he just be the guy who died early in the movie? Who give a rat's ass if the character is played by a black guy, white guy, or any other race? Sounds too much like white guilt looking for some made-up righteous cause. Does anyone honestly think the casting directors sat around and decided that the guy who dies early needed to be played by a black actor? What about the angle that the black guy was the hero saving his friends... nope can't be a hipster thinking that way, geeze.

    Not trying to piss anyone off, just saying lighten up my friends.
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    Well said, FredG.
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      CommentAuthorPaladine
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
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    FredG: I would agree with you, and it's quite possible that this specific film has such an accidental background. But if you take a more systemic look at hollywood films, then unfortunately it is very often the minority character who gets to die, and the white guy who's the hero. Off the top of my head: Prince of Persia has the same, Clash of the Titans, too. And in Predators, there's even more than one of these situations. And that's just in half a minute thinking about films I recently watched. I believe Warren that the character wasn't specified to be either black or white or anything else. But at the same time, it just *fits* into a pattern.

    And that's all I'm going to say about this here because I know this is not exactly a forum full of people who care about this sort of thing.
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    The snarky comment about the people here not caring is un-called-for.

    If you want someone to march with you on a protest about the chronic Hollywood pattern of the black guy who dies, the woman who is just the hero's girl, the gay guy who never gets laid, the brown guys who are terrorists, etc. sign me up: I'm with you. But sometimes a black guy who dies is just a black guy who dies.
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      CommentAuthorFredG
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010 edited
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    But sometimes a black guy who dies is just a black guy who dies.


    Probably what I should have said and left it at that. But I do agree that the hollywood formula often sucks, however I'm here for the fun, and looking forward to seeing the movie.
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      CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010 edited
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    Just got back from the film:
    Good action film, had a few laugh out loud moments (either from sheer dis-belief of an action sequence, or good one liners) and a plot that moved along at a good clip. I kind of wish they had given the Sarah/Parker's character more of a connection with the CIA, as Moses' handler; it would have made her going along with it all more exciting and a tad more solid in the plot.

    Mirren, Freeman and Malkovich seemed to be having a good time, especially Mirren. Every scene she was in made me happy beyond belief.

    I do admit I had a "well Hell, there goes the black character" moment when Freeman took the bullet; still undecided about that. Again, I always wish that Hollywood would work to break that habit, intentional or not.

    Good popcorn movie, but I still imagine that an actual unfiltered Ellis script on screen would burn my eyeballs out like at the end of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK.
    Congrats on the movie's success, Warren and Cully. Well deserved.
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      CommentAuthorPaladine
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2010
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    Jason: it is actually not meant to be snarky, but matter-of-factly. I'm sorry if it came off as snarky.