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  1.  (9057.21)
    I believe Warren that the character wasn't specified to be either black or white or anything else. But at the same time, it just *fits* into a pattern.

    And I don't disagree with the reading. Just saying: there was no specification in the script, and no-one forced Mr Freeman to make the film.
  2.  (9057.22)
    On the topic of the movie in general:

    It's really, really hard to be objective about this film when you're a fan of Mr. Ellis, or you know, the man himself.

    That said, I went to see an action movie Saturday night, with the twist that everyone is old and had careers that involved large amounts of murder, something that doesn't bother them. I got exactly what I paid too much for (it's not any of the movie makers' fault that a NYC movie ticket costs like $13), and I loved it.

    On the topic of Joe's death...

    It ensconces him in the movie as the absolute most noble character. He's dying anyway, saves his friends, and does it in style. It's not one of those cheap Hollywood throwaway "kill the black dude" moments. He goes outside to save everyone else.

    Yeah, it happens to play to a somewhat racist cliche by virtue of casting. But it doesn't scrape the bottom of the barrel of that cliche, so I'm not gonna let it spoil the movie for me.
    • CommentAuthorTam-Lin
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2010
     (9057.23)
    Agreed, and I'm probably being too hard on it. For what it is, it's good; it was a fun movie. I'll certainly continue encouraging people to go see it. I was/am just disappointed that they'd removed everything that I love about Mr. Ellis' work from it. Perhaps it will pave the way for, say, "Fell" on HBO or the like, where it could retain its soul.
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      CommentAuthorD.J.
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2010
     (9057.24)
    My problem with Joe dieing was that it served about as much of a distraction as, say, throwing a rock out the window.
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      CommentAuthorDovryn
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2010
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    @ DJ - Someone immediately shot him. Had they actually moved in to arrest Moses cautiously, they would have had to secure Joe once they realized it was a diversion, think quickly, reset formation.. etc. Thus a much better distraction.
    "Who fired that shot?!" It was a sudden thing... only the most experienced assassins saw as likely or possible. It was a gamble, and the terminally ill one risked himself.

    At least, that's the way I understood the scene.
  3.  (9057.26)
    It was also kind of a vital plot element; it showed that there were more parties at work here than the CIA alone.
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      CommentAuthorD.J.
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2010
     (9057.27)
    Yes, but they played it more like they knew he was going to get shot as soon as he walked out there.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2010
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    As to Joe's death being another example of the "dead black guy" trope, I have to ask: Would the movie have been improved by Morgan Freeman not playing that role and either not being in the movie at all, or playing one of the other roles? Would it have been better for Mr. Freeman to have played the role of Marvin with Mr. Malkovich playing the role of Joe?

    Essentially, is the presence of this trope so offensive and distracting that you'd alter the casting of the movie to eliminate it? For myself, I'd leave the cast as it was.
  4.  (9057.29)
    Mary-Louise Parker is 46!!! No way.
    Holy cow. I was expecting it to be odd she was the young love interest to Bruce Willis but being 46 changes things by at least a decade.

    Looking forward to its Australian release date:)
  5.  (9057.30)
    I loved the film.
    As an adaptation, it reminds me of something I heard the writer of the book Hard Core Logo once said about the movie it spawned.
    "It's good.
    It's like a distant cousin of my work, but it's good."

    I think Karl Urban was great too, though he kind of gets lost in the awesomeness of the rest of the cast. The scene between him and Bruce Willis over the phone was done very, very well (you could see it coming, but it still hit pretty hard)
    Looking forward to buying a copy of this...if the dvd release follows the norm, should hit stores just before my birthday, so that'll go on my list for sure.
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    • CommentAuthorhank
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2010
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    I really can't see anyone but Malkovich playing Marvin at this point.

    Freeman got to stretch his legs as the lecherous old spy and had a good time. If he thought it was in bad taste, he likely would have said something.
  7.  (9057.33)
    Presumably something like "I'm Morgan fucking Freeman, I really don't need the work, fuck off."
  8.  (9057.34)
    Warren, do you know who shot Joe? Or is it just not specified?
    • CommentAuthordot_xom
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2010
     (9057.35)
    I thought it was good fun. That's all I expected and I wasn't disappointed. Also, Helen Mirren with all those guns? Fucking gold.
    • CommentAuthorTwist
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2010 edited
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    I took my mum. At 50 she was the second youngest person in the cinema by 20 or more years. I was the youngest by a lot more... everyone loved it. I think that makes it a freaking awesome movie.

    I agree that the story was lost in the fun and carnage, but I don't think it was detrimental to the film being enjoyable.
    • CommentAuthorPooka
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2010 edited
     (9057.37)
    ha! several years ago an actor/stuntman/martial artist friend of mine was talking about a comic book movie he was an extra in with a one word title...
    I didn't connect that until i started hearing about Red, but now it's on his IMDb page :)
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2197888/ (sorry, i'm a tard and can't get the link to work directly)
    this tickles me because he's such a huge geek and makes an effort to be in every comic book movie he can.
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2010
     (9057.38)
    Data point:

    While it has been playing steadily in the suburban multiplexes for some time now, RED is playing in downtown Portland in the Fox Tower Regal Theater.

    I mention this because this small multiplex is usually reserved for independent films, foreign language films, and other such. It is damn peculiar, and I think an interesting sign, that it is playing an action movie.
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      CommentAuthorcelan
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2010
     (9057.39)
    Total Lifetime Grosses
    Domestic: $84,208,000 56.8%
    + Foreign: $63,942,757 43.2%
    = Worldwide: $148,150,757
    • CommentAuthorTAL
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2010
     (9057.40)
    I will add around $10.50 to the worldwide gross in about 4 hours.