Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:57:35 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265929#Comment_265929 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265929#Comment_265929 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:24:53 -0700 bumnote Mainly i'm just buying new stuff and trades, there are however a couple of comics than i'm coveting - first edition out of print stuff - and i'm thinking of coughing up the dough for them. They aren't exactly cheap and i just want to make sure i'm not being ripped off or whatever.
So i was wondering if anybody knew of any references, be they books or magazines, that would help me regarding value, print runs etc? I can appreciate the values of something like this may not be an exact science.
I've done a little research and something called the 'overstreet comic book price guide' seems to get a lot of mentions. Does or has anybody used this, and if so is it any good? Also, magazines would need to be available here in the uk. Thanks ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265954#Comment_265954 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265954#Comment_265954 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:31:45 -0700 mister hex
Just out of curiosity, what are you looking at purchasing? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265958#Comment_265958 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265958#Comment_265958 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:03:55 -0700 warrenellis collect comics? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265960#Comment_265960 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265960#Comment_265960 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:05:54 -0700 bumnote and the other one/s i'm looking at are variant covers of choker #1. nowhere near the mesmo money, but you know i don't really want to chuck any money about if i don't have to. not exactly sure how many were printed. would this data be in overstreet?
i suppose a lot of this comes down to eye of the beholder stuff, and what things are worth to oneself. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265961#Comment_265961 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265961#Comment_265961 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:07:07 -0700 joe.distort
somethings only worth as much as people are curently spending for it. if you are really concerned with possible rip offs, watch ebay for about 6 weeks and average out the sale prices. i hate using it that way, but it really is the worlds largest comic store these days

EDIT: i sold a copy of the adhouse press of MESMO for about $105 USD a few months back to some guy from australia. the run on that was slightly less than 2000 copies due to fuck ups in the printing/distro in order to get the english version ready in time for SDCC that year (if i am correctly informed. which is always iffy haha) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265963#Comment_265963 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265963#Comment_265963 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:21:25 -0700 bumnote http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265969#Comment_265969 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265969#Comment_265969 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:27:06 -0700 Jack_Crow
and some people do collect your comics.

So, don't pull out a Flex Mentallo-Miracleman affair that will make any of your things totally out of print and impossible to get!!! (I suppose that there would be a lot of your comics that are impossible to find, but I speak about copyright-madness level).

please? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265971#Comment_265971 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265971#Comment_265971 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:33:18 -0700 warrenellis So, don't pull out a Flex Mentallo-Miracleman affair that will make any of your things totally out of print and impossible to get!!! (I suppose that there would be a lot of your comics that are impossible to find, but I speak about copyright-madness level).

I'm very tempted to go digital-only in the next few years. Which I suppose would fuck with collectors terribly. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265973#Comment_265973 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=265973#Comment_265973 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:42:34 -0700 Jack_Crow
I can understand why, but if that's the case I hope whatever you do in digital form will get a physical form later (as with freakangels).

I'm not going to go into a paper vs. digital conversation or so, it's just that for me holding it and reading in old style has no comparation to reading in on a kindle or a pc screen.

If there is no collected edtions those of us interesting on reading it on paper would have to print it in a craptacular way at home!


(I hope not to be the only one around here that prefers analogic vs. digital when it comes to books or comics) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269736#Comment_269736 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269736#Comment_269736 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:16:18 -0800 MartinSheen
Having them in digital format will just remind ppl that they can download or copy them for free. Noone is going to pay for a webcomic and the only income it would generate would be through advertising.

Ellis is like an institution. Going digital only is a horrible idea.

Comics just need a whole new marketing strategy. Mass produced with cheaper prices and available in newsagents everywhere for 1 or 2 dollars... cept... no that would only work with stand alone stories.

Hmmmm.... there must be a solution. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269738#Comment_269738 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269738#Comment_269738 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:47:25 -0800 lazarus corporation I'm very tempted to go digital-only in the next few years. Which I suppose would fuck with collectors terribly.

Warren: do you mean digital-only for the actual issues, but with printed paperback collections, or are you thinking of moving to digital-only across-the-board? Given your previous comment (elsewhere on this forum) on how delighted Avatar Press get when the sales figures come in for the TB versions of FreakAngels I'm guessing that producing printed collections is still a viable business model.

If that turns out to be THE FUTURE OF COMICS then I suspect that the paperback collections will become the collectibles (the whole "collectable" psychology doesn't seem to transfer to digital because digital is infinitely reproducible, so the aspect of scarcity - implicit in any desire to collect - doesn't exist). I think we'll start to see even more special editions of trade collections as the individual issues go digital (a regular paperback collection, then a shorter print-run hardback collection, then even some limited edition fine-bindings). ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269740#Comment_269740 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269740#Comment_269740 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:12:25 -0800 sacredchao GPAnalysis. They tabulate the sales from several different auction houses to keep up with the current values, including completed ebay sales, which are a real bitch to trawl through when it comes to certain titles. At the very least though, you'll need a copy of the Overstreet Price Guide, as Mister Hex suggested.

There's some money to be made off this stuff too, if you're careful/lucky - I bought a copy of Spider-Man 129 (first appearance of Punisher) for $250, had it graded and slabbed at 9.4, and sold it for almost a $1k profit. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269766#Comment_269766 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269766#Comment_269766 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:28:26 -0800 bumnote
Thanks for the advice, i'll check that out later tonight when i get a moment. Way to go with the spiderman comic! Ive got a way to go gefore i can spot things like that. Though i did manage to nab 1to 4of singularity 7 the other day for 99 pence hehe. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269773#Comment_269773 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=269773#Comment_269773 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:20:55 -0800 helloMuller I'm very tempted to go digital-only in the next few years. Which I suppose would fuck with collectors terribly.

Which raises the question: How would Avatar (or any publisher with an extensive cover programme) deal with the usual multiple cover variants per issue? Would those still work in a digital format (unless you specify the amount of downloads for Variant X for example)? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270884#Comment_270884 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270884#Comment_270884 Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:10:51 -0800 MartinSheen
Just a side note... is computer speak considered lazy writing on this forum?

edit: U instead of You. Not using capital letters where appropriate etc? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270902#Comment_270902 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270902#Comment_270902 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 03:10:20 -0800 bumnote http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270907#Comment_270907 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270907#Comment_270907 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 04:37:18 -0800 warrenellis Which raises the question: How would Avatar (or any publisher with an extensive cover programme) deal with the usual multiple cover variants per issue?

Wouldn't it be nice to extinguish those? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270937#Comment_270937 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270937#Comment_270937 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:36:40 -0800 bumnote http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270945#Comment_270945 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270945#Comment_270945 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:53:10 -0800 James Puckett Wouldn't it be nice to extinguish those?

/applause. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270958#Comment_270958 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270958#Comment_270958 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:29:58 -0800 warrenellis i'm sure there's a good few collectors who've contributed to your earnings over the years.

I'm sure there are. That doesn't mean I have to be beholden to them. The transaction is this: a publisher offers something of mine for sale. You choose whether or not to buy it. That's the whole thing. I do not feel the need to bend the knee to anyone just because they've given me a little money. Sorry. I just get sad when I see comics of mine that have been bagged instead of read or passed around.

It's about reading. Not paper. I am not in the business of producing collectibles. I am in the business of producing reading material, platform-agnostic.

At signings, my favourite thing is signing a book that's obviously been read to death. I love that.

(I've also signed iPhones and iPod Touches and laptops. Inference is obvious.)

Honestly, a slabbed comic is, for me, a bit like being offered a young Sophia Loren, but encased in a giant cube of Lucite. It's... not really what you were hoping for... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270966#Comment_270966 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270966#Comment_270966 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:25:08 -0800 bumnote The transaction is this: a publisher offers something of mine for sale. You choose whether or not to buy it. That's the whole thing. I do not feel the need to bend the knee to anyone just because they've given me a little money.

yeah i get that, and have to respect your integrity. i can also see there being no greater appreciation of your art than being passed a book to sign thats well thumbed.

the trouble i have with buying things in the digital format is that it doesn't feel like i actually own anything. or i should say, anything of any worth. which makes parting with cash for a digital comic less appealing, obviously. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270967#Comment_270967 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270967#Comment_270967 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:34:33 -0800 James Puckett …the trouble i have with buying things in the digital format is that it doesn't feel like i actually own anything.

I felt the same way about having a closet stacked high with longboxes full of bagged-and-boarded books that had to be periodically reorganized. Which is why I’ve stopped buying monthlies entirely and now just wait for the trades, which sit on my shelf for easy reading. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270968#Comment_270968 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270968#Comment_270968 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:38:24 -0800 warrenellis the trouble i have with buying things in the digital format is that it doesn't feel like i actually own anything. or i should say, anything of any worth.

I own a LOT of digital music. It has worth to me because it's beautiful when I play it. I own a fair few digital comics and books. They have worth to me because I get pleasure from reading them. Just as it is with paper or plastic goods.

The digital stuff is just a fuck of a lot easier to store. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270993#Comment_270993 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=270993#Comment_270993 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:52:55 -0800 bumnote http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271012#Comment_271012 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271012#Comment_271012 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:08:42 -0800 sacredchao You mention having signed iPads and the like - what do you mean by that? As in the actual plastic? Wouldn't the ink just rub off the plastic sooner of later?

This is something I'm very interested in, as creator autographs are one of the biggest reasons I have no interest in Kindles and the like - I have 10 or 15 autographed books (one of which is unique - a Russian copy of Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk said he'd never seen another copy when he signed it) and just don't know how interested I'd be in a format that is unsignable. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271013#Comment_271013 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271013#Comment_271013 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:14:48 -0800 warrenellis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271015#Comment_271015 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271015#Comment_271015 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:18:03 -0800 sacredchao http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271051#Comment_271051 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271051#Comment_271051 Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:20:33 -0800 Mark Seifert This is something I'm very interested in, as creator autographs are one of the biggest reasons I have no interest in Kindles and the like - I have 10 or 15 autographed books (one of which is unique - a Russian copy of Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk said he'd never seen another copy when he signed it) and just don't know how interested I'd be in a format that is unsignable.
Someone's going to start making iPad/kindle/tablet/etc cases designed with author signings in mind soon, if they haven't already. Perhaps with easily addable notebook pages to use as you fill it up with signatures and sketches. Or perhaps when you go to a con, you'll fire up your SDCC or C2E2 app and the creator will sign your tablet with a stylus. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271094#Comment_271094 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271094#Comment_271094 Sun, 21 Nov 2010 04:15:11 -0800 MartinSheen
Perhaps a similar Kindle like device could be commissioned that works like this and is designed with comics in mind (if it hasn't been done already) that is always connectable the internet even if you don't have an internet account.

This would make the whole thing completely simple and I could see it catching on. PLus the infrastructure is already in place so I can't imagine it's not possible. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271096#Comment_271096 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271096#Comment_271096 Sun, 21 Nov 2010 04:28:36 -0800 lazarus corporation Someone's going to start making iPad/kindle/tablet/etc cases designed with author signings in mind soon, if they haven't already. Perhaps with easily addable notebook pages to use as you fill it up with signatures and sketches. Or perhaps when you go to a con, you'll fire up your SDCC or C2E2 app and the creator will sign your tablet with a stylus.

You could extend that concept so that the app authenticates the signature against a web-service and opens up additional content or offers:

"As someone who went to the Avatar Press stall at ComicCon 2014 and had your copy of The Amazing Arkady #56 digitally signed by Warren Ellis, you now have access to a 12 page ComicCon-only special issue, plus a free preview issue of Warren Ellis' new series The Return of Spider Jerusalem: Now it's Personal. This offer is sponsored by Isle of Jura Single Malt Whisky - drink responsibly." ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271100#Comment_271100 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9072&Focus=271100#Comment_271100 Sun, 21 Nov 2010 05:11:25 -0800 Paul Duffield I get things signed because I want a permanent reminder of meeting the author/artist whenever I pick up something and read it, and trades work just as well for that as singles do. iPads don't though, because I know they're only going to last so long before being obsolete. ]]>