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  1.  (9134.1)
    one of my colleagues today gave me a copy of the two new Russell T Davies written episodes of The Sarah Jane Adventures with the Matt Smith Doctor in and also an appearance by ye olde companion Jo Grant (who's fabulous btw).

    It's a fun watch - i'd have been bang into this when i was a kid but what interested me most is what appears to be a change of canon.

    One of the kids is questioning The Doctor about his regeneration with the following exchange...

    "Can you change colour or are you always white?"
    "No, I can be anything."
    "And, is there a limit? I mean how many times can you change?"

    a bit of a change from the established 13.

    is this canon now? I always hated the 13 - a tediously small number.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
    There is no canon. See also: a wizard did it. The Doctor is a wizard.
    • CommentAuthorStefanJ
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
    Or maybe the Doctor is fucking with the kid's head.

    I really enjoy the Sarah Jane Adventures. They are wonderfully lightweight, but still smart and funny.
  2.  (9134.4)
    I hope it's not a change of canon. 13 meant that the doctor could only get into real trouble so many times. They're just making him functionally immortal if this is actually fact.
  3.  (9134.5)
    i've not really got a problem with a functionally immortal doctor as i'm a ridiculous fanboy and would love it to continue forever.

    i can see your point though and i do think they tried to address this with Tennant's regeneration in that whilst he knows that he will regenerate it's still 'death', even if only id-death, for that particular Doctor and not a particularly pleasant or desirable experience.
  4.  (9134.6)
    Seemed like it was said in jest. Plus the Doctor confronts enemies with enough power to permanently kill him on a regular basis, so I'm not too worried about the ramifications.
    • CommentAuthorAllen
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
    There was a huge amount of nerd rage when it was leaked Davies mentioned the number of regenerations in this episode, and every over reacted, cried, and well acted like the stereotypical nerd. ANd then it aired, and it was flippant, and joking, and really you're the first person I've seen take this seriously... so yes of course it is now cannon now. You know they completely ruined things for whoever is writing the 507th Doctor... damn writers.
  5.  (9134.8)
    really you're the first person I've seen take this seriously

    and there i was thinking i phrased it as a question.
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
    They already broke it with The Master anyway. He's on his 15th or 16th or more, depending on whether Eric Roberts counts or not, or whether others happened off-camera. It was handwaved away with 'the Time Lords resurrected him'.

    Also, as a Doctor Who fan, there is a far, far worse thing that's going on here, and which I want Americans to stop immediately, as most Britishers know better than to do.

    He is 'The Doctor'. Not 'Doctor Who'*. Certainly never 'Who'** as some US TV sites insist on calling him. The title of this thread is actually producing a weird gut reaction although it's not quite as bad as calling him 'Who', which really sets my teeth on edge and makes me want to personal army the whole of British SF fandom to DDOS any website that does it. Unless this stops that day will come. Oh yes.

    *Unless you are talking specifically about Peter Cushing.
    **Exception for * also applies.
  6.  (9134.10)
    I was under the impression that the 12 regenerations (13 incarnations) was a matter of Time Lord Law, not Time Lord Biology. Exceeding his regenerations was one of The Master's big crimes, after all. I think it was established in the books that 12 regenerations was decreed by Rassilon, and there's a machine on Gallifrey that locks Time Lords into their 13th form. Since Gallifrey is gone, there's actually no limit to how many regenerations The Doctor has. Time Lord Victorious and all that.
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    I'd always been of the understanding that the novels were only ambiguously canonical at best. But I could be easily misinformed about that. I've admittedly seen very little of the older series'.
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2010
    Regardless of any of this, they'll up the limit as soon as the 12th Doctor dies (remember 10th 'wasted' a regen) with whatever plot device seems most convenient. They're not gonna end such a popular show just because another actor leaves.
      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2010
    Guys, Warren's gonna be here any minute to kill this thread for excessive nerdery.

    *I understood it was Time Lord Law, not Time Lord Biology. Also, he was joking with a kid. And also a Wizard did it.

    Here comes Warren! Run! RUN!
  8.  (9134.14)
    i'm more interested in the idea that a writer would make such a potentially drastic change to what is, admittedly ambiguous, canon in a spin off series aimed at only a small section of the main shows audience. seems strange behaviour. has he done it simply because he can as he's not the show runner anymore and so can sit back and giggle at the repurcussions, which is something i can empathise with or was this planned and approved with the future of the franchise in mind.
      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2010
    @IAN - A throwaway line on an episode of a children's show probably won't mess with the Doctor's already convoluted continuity too much. And hey, if they write themselves into a corner, they can always just write themselves out of it again. Simply by saying "A wizard did it."
  9.  (9134.16)
    I believe that the Doctor's number of regenerations is directly proportional to what one might call The Bottom Line.

    They like it in black, I'm told.
  10.  (9134.17)
    I figured they were always gonna change the regeneration limit when the time came,but get a real good story out of it.
    it seems against writer's instinct to waste such a good opportunity for drama.strange...
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2010
    @Oddcult I'm applying for a pass on that; it messes up the lyrics I made up to the theme song.

    Doctor Whooooo
    DOCtor Whoooooo
    He has a sonic screwwwww driverrrrrr
    Doctor Whooooo
    • CommentAuthorradian
    • CommentTimeNov 4th 2010