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  1.  (9295.1)
    Anyone see Black Swan yet? It finally made it's way to a local theater so I gave it a go. I have to say, I think Aronofsky has done it again. There's certainly a number of parallels between this effort and The Wrestler, but (more than) enough fresh blood is injected.

    Some spoilerific thoughts:

    I want to know what you think of the heavy use of mirrors/reflective surfaces. To me, the movie represented the individual's aspiration for perfection and how honest self-assessment can curb the journey. Winona Ryder perhaps represents the bleak post-perfection existence while Mila Kunis (at least the one in Portman's head) is the seedy grime we put ourselves through when striving for the virtually unattainable. It's only after Portman smashes the mirror (i.e. self-assessment, the ability to judge our own actions) and "kills" Kunis (the doppleganger she envies but fears becoming) that she can truly transform into the Black Swan.

    I must admit: my ideas are half-baked, if not obvious. But I'm curious to see the reaction to this flick. Thoughts?
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    I haven't seen it yet, but everything I've heard points to it being similar enough to be an unofficial remake of Perfect Blue (perfectly believable considering that he's been sitting on the rights since before Requiem for a Dream). Very interested to find out.
  3.  (9295.3)
    Although I haven't seen Perfect Blue, after reading a synopsis I can see how some of the similarities would give Black Swan "unofficial remake" status. Again, I'm in no position to comment but I'd love to read an in-depth comparison; all I've managed to find thus far are cursory user-comments on reviews.
  4.  (9295.4)
    I haven't seen it yet, but the trailer looks as if Aronofsky was looking at some of Matthew Barney's work (who I like) and now that Perfect Blue is bought up, I'm even more curious to see it now.
    • CommentAuthorMaC
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2010
    I saw it Friday and I really enjoyed it. All of his movies seem to deal in the same theme of being consumed, but I agree that watching how different characters succumb to different obsessions creates a unique journey that's worth viewing each time.

    I had my doubts about Portman but she was excellent here, especially towards the end as the Black Swan, she was stunning. Another amazing score by Clint Mansell and another excellently directed movie by Aronofsky.

    Easily the most enjoyable trip to the movies I've had in 2010. And definitely the creepiest of Aronofsky's flicks.
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2010
    I want to see this. Ugh. Every fiber of my being wants to see this. But the body horror elements in it and Arraonofsky's ability to create perfect visual claustrophobia would make this film nearly impossible for me to withstand.
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2010
    Can't wait til we get it here, really looking forward to seeing it.
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2010
    Saw it last night. It was breathtaking. I was really pleased with the entire thing. I cannot WAIT to see it again—I want to dissect all the visual elements thoroughly.

    Also, Natalie Portman was astounding. I cannot recommend this movie enough.
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2010
    there is a real actors japanese version of perfect blue...which is perfectly awful.

    I'm sure that even if it has no real similarities to it, black swan might be a better adaptation than that one.
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2010
    I... hated it?

    No, wait. The other thing.
    • CommentAuthorMaC
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2010 edited

    I was so so so so impressed with Natalie Portman. I liked her a lot in her child roles(where she was just a weird kid being a weird kid instead of an adult acting) and well I'll never be able to rub Queen Amidala out of my brain for good, so I was really iffy on seeing her here. But holy crap she was amazing, those scenes after she comes off stage were so perfect I could hardly tell it was actually her.

    Specifically when she comes off the stage after dancing the Black Swan, it was tremendous

    I'm pining for the home video release. And another wonderful Clint Mansell score, maybe even better then the one from The Wrestler. It added all the right moods to the scenes.
    • CommentAuthorArgos
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2010
    Saw this the other night, really enjoyed it. My guy was telling me today that it's been nominated for a Quuer Lion award for "quuer interest," apparently, which I don't quite agree with, since the only queer moment in it was induced by Portman's mental breakdown, rather than the character actually having a queer personality.

    REGARDLESS, it was an amazing movie. The camera work when she was dancing was phenomenal.
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2010
    As good as the film is overall, it has some problems. There are a couple CG moments that really didn't work for me because they ultimately look a little too cartoony and really drew me out of the narrative, which, if you've seen it, you know they occur at some fairly intense parts of the movie. Not talking about the dancing scene here, because that worked really well.

    Also, I don't care for the ending. I get it, but leaving it open like that, with the possibility of the character dying just off stage after a perfect performance is a little ham fisted for a tense psychological thriller. Honestly, I would have liked to have seen the movie where Mila Kunis really is trying to drive her insane and at the end she walks off stage after the greatest performance of her life and everyone's just staring her down, comes around a corner where a couple police officers are waiting to take her away for murder, etc.

    It just didn't do everything I wanted it to do and got a little too goofy in moments.

    That being said, I really like the relationship she has with her mother; the fact that she's a grown woman living as an adolescent; her mother painting all the self portraits while crying, presumably all day long. There are a ton of things to enjoy in there. Casting Winona Ryder was a stroke of Araki-esque genius - she made the part even weirder.

    I don't know. It's pretty good, but it's not amazing. Technically it's great. Camera work, sets, makeup. All awesome.

    There. Now you have my disjointed stream of consciousness spoilery forum review.
  5.  (9295.14)
    loved it. The attention to detail and the full follow-thought with the main character was gripping.

    We walked out of the movie hearing people complaining about it- i do think that half the audience did not realize it was "that" kind of movie. Sorry no it was not a movie with just pretty ballerinas in it. Well it did have them but it had pure in depth limits of psychosis in it, and hot girl on girl sex. Since i'm a perv like that it made me all squishy inside <3
      CommentAuthorMild Maynyrd
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2010 edited
    So I've been recommending this to my friends based solely on the fact that they won't be disappointed with it. This is one of those odd films where even if you don't really "like" it, you won't be disappointed by it just because of the experience it gives to the viewer. I realize that's an odd way to sell a movie, haha. I guess what people need to realize who haven't seen this is that it is absurd at times, and in some ways. But the movie knows it's absurd in certain places, and makes no apologies for being who, or what, it is. Aronofsky has never been known for subtlety and people need to understand that before going in. I liked how the script played with the very critique many have thrown at the movie, the fact that it isn't very original (I read one review that said it mixed Fight Club and Mulholland Drive; and many have outright called it predictable and cliche). This is directly addressed when the Vincent Cassel character talks about how the troupe is doing "Swan Lake" to open the season, how he knows it's been done over and over and over, but this time it's going to get to the core of what the story is about, visceral and primal. What he's really talking about is the film itself, which I liked because Aronofsky had to have known that the "predictable/cliche/been done before" crowd would emerge from the critics eventually. I could go on and on about the themes of the film, but I gotta get going here... I guess I'd have to see it again to really know how I feel about it, but I thought it was insane that during some of the more intense scenes my body tingled, it got to me physically. I can respect the power of a film like that, even if it isn't my cup of tea (which, like I said, I can't really say yet). Just go see it.
    • CommentAuthorlucien
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2010
    i liked the part where what was clearly radioactive black swan marrow cleverly disguised as ecstasy turned her into a mutant swan creature but was glad she died before she decided to fight crime.

    on a more serious note, great movie. the transformation through accepting one's "darkness" and learning to excel on one's own theme has been done to death, but i thought aronofsky pulled it off in a contemporary and visceral way. nice work on his part.
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2010 edited
    Just saw it myself. Fucking intense moments! Natalie Portman was really amazing I thought. *SPOILER ALERT* The intensity of the movie in it's parallels of her mind unraveling running so much like the theme of The Black Swan was brilliant. The climax rans chills up and down my spine with her character finally letting go and transforming into the Black Swan in all aspects, that was the motherfucking shit right there...pure cinema magic IMO
    • CommentTimeDec 30th 2010
    Amazing film, Darren Aronofsky is still my favourite director. Anyone else notice the parallel between the old man on the subway in this movie and the old guy singing in Pi? For all the comparisons to The Wrestler, I felt this was even closer to the intensity and madness of that film.
    • CommentTimeDec 31st 2010
    This movie was amazing.
    • CommentAuthorKidAnarchy
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2011
    How a fairy tale should be.
    I was absolutely gripped and forgot I was in a cinema.Beautiful score and acting,best cinema experience I have had in a long time.
    So far Pi has been my favourite Aronofsky film but I think this one has taken its place now.
    Ditto to the majority of the audience's response,there were some very confused people in that cinema.
    Perhaps they expected street dance 3d with ballet ?