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    So for any of you who are 'a song of ice and fire fans,' the premier of hbo's game of thrones first season is creeping closer and closer, and they've been updating the production diary with trailers and stills. and i have to see what i see so far looks absolutely fantastic.

    new trailer for it

    jaime lannister

    dinklage as tyrion was a stroke of genius

    sean bean pretty much is ned stark

    set to start in april
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeDec 24th 2010
    Poor Sean Bean, do his characters ever get to see the end of a production?

    Still, I'm pretty happy about this. But just remember everyone, don't complain about the books not being finished or GRRM will kill another Stark.
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    i can't believe jon snow's made it this far.
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2010
    I have a sneaking suspicion one of the Starks is going to end up warged and stuck in their direwolf. Also I can't wait, only a couple months now.
    • CommentAuthorlooneynerd
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2010
    The fact that they've started and finished the show faster than the next book amuses me to no end.
    • CommentAuthorErisah
    • CommentTimeDec 25th 2010
    @Renthing: honestly, I'm surprised any of them survived to have offspring what with the fatality rate. I stopped reading the series when I got tired of the fact that whenever a character became interesting, or was particularly "good" or "noble", then it was only a matter of chapters before they'd be gone.

    Which is why I liked Hedge Knight. It was short enough that only one character died horribly and unfortunately.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2010
    @Nick and Erisah

    Honestly? I have a theory on that. GRRM's winnowing them down to the one's who are eventually going to matter and here's why.

    The real bad guys of the series you see at the very beginning in the intro to AGoT and never again: the Walkers north of the Wall. Somehow, the Wall is going to come down, whether Stannis Baratheon blows the Horn they found at the end of the last book or Melissandre does (I think she's actually an agent of the dark god beyond the Wall and not the god of fire that she claims to).

    Jon Snow, I think, is the son of Ned's sister who was raped by the Trageryan Prince during the war where the Dragon's were usurped; Ned Stark claimed Jon was his son so that Robert Baratheon wouldn't kill him (as he was the product of the Trageryan line and a living reminder of how Ned's sister was taken from him). Jon Snow, I think, is one of the three heads of the Dragon that's mentioned in other places, that there were always three Trageryan children. Dany is obviously one and I think the last one is Tyrion.

    If Jon is a Stark and Trageryan, I think he's going to become the next King of the North when Dany comes back with her dragons to fuck things up, now that Robb is dead, Bran and Rickon are off becoming a green-speaker and crazy mountain person respectively, Asha is going to become a Faceless (Wo)Man and Sansa is going to continue to be a professional victim political pawn.
  3.  (9336.8)
    Can't wait for the tv series, and was wondering when this would appear here.
    I do wish there were more of the books to read, however. And I want more fights with the spooks from beyond the wall.
    I suspect the horn will end up used, the wall fall- wondering what would happen if Dannerys used it. Would she burn?
    I'm also curious if they will have Sandor/The Hound in the HBO series.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2010

    I don't think she'll use it (as she's on the other side of the world and has to cross most of Westeros to get to the Wall); my money is on Stannis, being a douche to prove that the horn doesn't work (oops), or Melissandre the Red doing it to be a douche to prove it doesn't work (oops) or to free her dark master (mwuhahaha).

    Re: Sandor - I believe they've cast him and that he'll be appearing later, I don't think he shows up in the trailer; I know for sure they cast Gregor and it'd be weird to cast one and not the other.
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2010
    In this behind the scenes special, there is a short shot of Sandor Clegane towards the end.
    Also, Petyr Baelish is perfect
  4.  (9336.11)
    @renthing is it ever explicitly stated that rhaegar kidnapped lyssa stark and raped her? because the way ned and robert portray the story, that's their side. but later on in the books, other people remember rhaegar targaryen being valiant, and a great leader, and honorable, and not batshit crazy like his father. if i remember correctly she wasn't much fond of having to marry robert baratheon. and the way that ned remarks about her dying and how people talk about it, it really sounds like she died in childbirth. so maybe it wasn't so much rhaegar stealing her away, as it was her running away with him.

    i have only read up to about halfway through storm of swords, and i don't really care about spoilers so correct me if needed.

    also i've been drinking so i'll apologize for any part of this that is poorly worded or incoherent in advance.
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    sandor, jaime, and tyrion have been my favorite characters so far.
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2010 edited
    Well, if you're talking spoilers: No, it has not been revealed what happened with Rhaegar and Lyssa.

    However, it reads very much like the victor's side of the story, with an enraged Robert Baratheon, is wrong, since everybody and their Old Nan are always talking about how Rhaegar was this honorable knight, and how he and Lyssa fell in love at the tournament. So it is very likely that Lyssa got pregnant, Rhaegar put her safely away, but she died in childbirth and, since a Targaryen child would face execution, Lyssa begged Ned to save Jon. Would also make more sense than Lyssa begging Ned to save the fruit of a rapist.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2010

    Oh, she definitely died in childbirth but who is to say whose opinion of Rhaegar isn't right; I mean, there's some people in the world who think GWB was a great president so it'd stand to reason that there's some people in Westeros who thought Rhaegar was a good prince. I'd say the truth is probably in the middle.

    I wouldn't say it would make "more sense". Considering Ned's character, if it was his sister's dying wish that he'd save her child, who would be half Stark, I could see him doing it; Ned is a fair character during his short time in the series and I doubt he'd execute his newborn nephew.
    • CommentTimeDec 27th 2010 edited
    So can't wait for this series HBO debut airing and for the LA January trip and what I hope to hear the "big announcement" to come is a complete manuscript for DwD!

    Ren, Interesting notions. *SPOLIER I think Daenerys and Arya are on a collision course for some reason. I see one of them as becoming a ruler either all Westeros or just the North (Arya). Jon I believe will stay on the wall or to the north beyond the wall and possibly even dead. Once Winter hits everything could go out the window, so who knows. I don't even think George knows yet fully. Melisandra is an intriguing character, I too believe she is much more than she seems. What that is, time will tell.
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2010
    Ren: yeah, but if *everybody* except Robert Baratheon thinks Rhaegar was great – and Robert being the one Lissa was betrothed to –, then it seems pretty clear to me. There's no issue of different people having different opinions.

    Also, I thought "more sense" more from Lissas point of view – would she want the child of a rapist to live, the child that killed her?
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2010
    I need to get up to speed on these once I get my Kindle--I read the first two, I think, and enjoyed them greatly.
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    Given they plan to do one season for each book, is it possible likely that the final series will air in part full before the last book is released?
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2010
    Yeah, I would think so. Even if you accept that the two current books (the most recently published and the one he's finishing) are the two hardest because Martin didn't plan for them, and that he will be able to write more quickly afterwards, there are still two more huge volumes to write. So, even if I say that he'll finish book 5 soonish, he'd have five years to write two more. It's possible, especially with a television deadline, but it might be screwy.
    • CommentAuthorsteevo
    • CommentTimeDec 28th 2010
    Haha, I just got an update from Amazon on Dance with Dragons. Good news! It's eligible for "release date delivery"! December 25, 2012. I wish they would just say it's coming out in 2020 so I can be excited when it's early instead of constantly sad that it's late.