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    So I've been reading this book since it started coming out and I'm curious as to what other people are making of it, since I haven't seen a whole lot of discussion since the first issue shipped. One of Moore's favorite tricks has always been to make up a language and then tease his readers with clues to its translation but I'm pretty well stumped on Ultharujj or whatever the hell name he has for his version of Lovecraftian. Does anybody have any ideas about translations for Randolph Carter's opening monologue in issue #3? Or Sax's statement to Brears and Lamper at the beginning of issue #1?

    I really dig Jacen Burrows' artwork - it gets better and better as the series progresses. And Moore's writing here is really solid, as always, and much less theoretical and overdetermined than Lost Girls or LoEG: Black Dossier, which I appreciate. I always enjoy working out Moore's puzzles, but I don't always think they're a worthy substitute for character, and occasionally I feel like they're in the way. Not so here, although I'd be curious to know how female readers feel about the terrible things that have happened to Brears over the course of the miniseries.
      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2011
    I dunno--I've thought about giving it a read, but everything I've read of it felt a lot like Moore's just trying to find every way possible to shove rape and beastiality and just any and everything to turn anyone off the concept of sex for the rest of their lives. I don't like it when lesser writers do it in comics, and I don't want to excuse Moore for it just because he's considered a comics god.
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    A lot of the outright nastiness is commentary on how strange and fucked-up the Lovecraft stories themselves are, which seems to justify the brutality, at least to him. It is deeply weird but really clever and frankly pretty entertaining to boot, so I'll definitely continue to buy it. Which I guess speaks for itself.

    FWIW, the book's protagonist is a fairly interesting and complicated woman, so it's hard to scream "misogyny!" too loudly, although you could probably yell "misanthropy!" and no one would argue with you. I'm not just a huge Lovecraft junkie, frankly, so I feel like I'm missing a lot and I wish this book had the profile of LoEG so that someone like Jess Nevins would descend from on high and grace us with a full set of annotations.
      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2011
    I've reread #3 several times now. While I am no expert on Lovecraft, it seems to me that the lexicon he's using are from the stories. I could easily be wrong.

    One very interesting scene was the one where Carcosa appears to Brears. It presages her "escape" at the end of #3. I'm not sure what the connection is but he tells her that "they" love her and respect her, she's "their" sister, etc. I'm waiting to see where this leads.

    To those squeamish about this comic, you're perfectly justified, it IS quite horrible, etc. If you don't like it, don't read it. It's a horror comic, it is SUPPOSED to be horrible. I seem to recall Warren once saying something about watching Law&Order:SVU, where it's mentioned that someone was sodomized (off-camera, natch) with a violin bow. On a television show, a show that, despite parental warning announcements, could be watched by ANYBODY.

    It's an interesting book; when's the next issue due?
    • CommentAuthorOddcult
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2011
    Avatar PTB - is there any word on when a collection of this is due? I'm holding out for it. Of course... if you were to do digital versions, I'd be buying them right away. I just can't be arsed with the floppies in a comic shop thing anymore.
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    The response to this title is testament to the strength of the writing. Yeah its horrible but as has been said its horror. Its strange how the partners brutal execution preceding the rape scene has gone un-remarked in all the on-line guff being talked about this but then casual violence being a staple of the medium I guess its just not as shocking as rape. Not the first title to feature rape either, not the least of which has been Freakangels.
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    Casual violence for a panel is a little different than a first person perspective 7 page long rape scene.This is not something I would suggest to anyone... hell, I'd try to talk people out of buying if i thought it would do any good. After I read the 3rd issue I didn't add anything to the "New Comics Talk" thread as I don't think it deserves the attention.

    But yes, I will buy the 4 issues of it. If I had known what would be shown in the 2nd issue I wouldn't have picked it up at all.
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    @Warped Savant - you feel so strongly about it you'd seek to persuade people not to read it so why would you carry on reading it ? This is exactly the quality of writing the should be being published.There has been a total over reaction to this, people are saying its misogynistic. Anyone familiar with Alan Moore writing will know he is anything but a misogynist

    btw yeah the references are all Lovecraft and the scans are of current editions of published books.
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    "Not the first title to feature rape either, not the least of which has been Freakangels."

    Which kind of makes it sound like the middle 150 pages of FREAKANGELS were "Take My Glowing Psychic Cock, Bitch."

    "Not the least of which," jesus christ....
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    @warrenellis point i'm tying to make is that rape is a perfectly reasonable narrative device as well used in freakangels as it is being in neonomicon i meant 'not the least' like in flattering way?

    any how if you log into SL i'll let u spank me *flutters eyelashes"
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2011 edited
    To me it seems to be some kind of giant 'Fuck you" to the world and industry at large. It's as if Mr. Moore is thinking, yeah okay I'm a little pissed at the western comic book and media industry and I'm going to show it somehow in this particular piece by pushing a couple buttons while making a story in my fashion. It's really not that outrageous though. Anyone who read Faust or E.O. or a hundred other underground comics decades ago could tell you the same thing. The big difference is the prolific tag on his name here and this being his first work in some time other than LoEG and that comes out rarely enough. I just think that Alan is in a place where he wants to lash out (a little more than usual even) with Neonomicon while still making a cohesive psychological lovecraftian Silence of the Lambs type story. I really dig it on all fronts and the artwork is phenomenal as expected.
      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2011
    "Not the first title to feature rape either,

    It WAS the first comic to feature a hand-job (and WHAT A HAND-JOB!), if somewhat off-panel. This is the same industry that publishes RISE OF ARSENAL with a straight face. (When's that going to be collected, btw?)

    And yes, interesting that the depictions of murder get ignored and the depictions of rape get people up in arms.

    @m3t4lfi3nd - I'm not sure we can ascribe this (or anything, really) to Alan Moore's stance on the comics industry. He did say (in an interview somewhere I read) that he was in a very dark place psychologically when he wrote this and that it reflects that state of mind but I don't see it as Moore saying "Take THAT, Stupid Comics Industry!" (That's more Mark Millar's style. Kidding! :) I think it's Moore reflecting on Lovecraft's themes and works and updating them for a modern sensibility.

    There's a bit in #3 where the detectives are talking about Lovecraft's personal life, how he only had relations with his wife while they were fully clothed, how the height of intimacy for him was to touch her finger and grunt softly ... this is contrasted by the naked protagonist masturbating (and being assaulted by) a giant fish-man. Times sure have changed, eh?
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    It WAS the first comic to feature a hand-job

    Um, no.
      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeJan 3rd 2011
    @Warren - Of a Lovecraftian monster. That I've seen.
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    Betty -- First off, I never said it was misogynistic. I didn't like the second issue for reasons previously stated. The reasons that I don't like rape scenes are that they strike too close to home for me, it was POV, it went on for too long, it was completely out of tone for HP Lovecraft stories (it even mentions that earlier in the same issue), and I honestly think it was mostly there for the "Look at what I can do, I'm Alan Fucking Moore" shock value of it.

    Now, why did I decide that I am going to buy the last two issues of the series? Because I was already halfway through the series, I really liked Courtyard, and I hope that the rape scene is somehow needed/necessary to the story. I didn't mind the third issue, and I probably won't mind the final one either. I have a fair bit of faith in Alan Moore as a writer and I think that over-all the story will be good. I'll have to wait and see. This series has, however, made it so that I won't buy another series of his in singles as I don't want someone being raped shoved in my face again. (Read: I had already bought half the series before it happened. If I had flipped through it at the store I would've taken it off my pull list right away and wouldn't've bought #2.)
    Hopefully that makes sense to you.
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    hex, a lot of comics beat anything released in the last few years to that act, because there are a lot of comics and there are a lot of porno comics about monsters. Between CPM's 90s output and Uncle Ghastly being Uncle Ghastly, someone helping an elder godly horror rub one off has been done before.
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    @Warped Savant OK :) but my comment wasn't directed at you, was an observation of some of the hysterical reaction there's been. I've read forum posts were retailers are refusing to stock the title based on what I consider knee jerk reactions. Just trying to put the other point out. Seems to me very few people are defending this title and I feel it deserves defending.
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    Betty -- Cool. It's nice to be able to talk to someone about this series without people blowing up at each other (as I've seen happen elsewhere).
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    @m3t4lfi3nd looking forward to LoEG in July, it looks great from what ive read and seen and features characters from my fave movie (Performance)

    btw referenced in Century:1910 was Lulu from Pandoras Box which is well worth watching if you not seen

    @Warped Savant np :)
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2011
    all i can say is its the first and only comic that i've
    had disturbed dreams about.

    It's like a mental stain that just won't be cleaned.
    That's not a critique, that's just a feeling.

    If aln wanted to freak us out , he suceeded.

    Heri Mkocha