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London Zoo: Anonymous vs. Scientology (2/10/08)
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CommentAuthorwarrenellis
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
What struck me most about the Anonymous protest rules were how sound and simple they were.
Without giving anything away, I know that some veterans in the protest and independent-media businesses are now advising Anonymous. -
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- CommentAuthorBrotherNeutron
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
I just read that they're doing something March 15, two days after L. Ron's B-day. Any idea what this is? -
- CommentAuthorTechnocratJT
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
Warren,
I knew Anonymous had been contacted by people who fought with CoS in the 1980/70s, as well as ex-CoS people, but I suspect you mean somewhat more then that.independent-media businesses
Thats very intriguing. And makes allot of sense.
I am hoping as the plan to attack CoS tax exempt status moves forward I might find a good place to volunteer some time. -
- CommentAuthorTechnocratJT
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
There is an interesting theme beginning to pop up in the chatter about Anon.
People are starting to differentiate the members of Anon who really stand for the "ethics" of the internet, I have read variations on: our redemption is in their demise, and those who are angry and throwing fits that this is not lulz anymore. It should be interesting to see how that goes. -
That's not much of a surprise given the reasonableness and specificity of some of the rules.
This is still Anonymous though. It's not like they have an enforcing body. -
- CommentAuthorBrotherNeutron
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
I think we can draw a clear distinction between the protesters and a lot of the folks on 4chan. There seem to be at least three groups: people who support the protests and were most likely in them, people bitching about the protests (they seem to be calling the protesters "oldfags"), and people who are blissfully oblivious about any of it and continue to post the kind of random nonsense you expect from the /b/oard.
one of the whiners does bring up a good point. he said that they should get their own site. Perhaps those involved with the protests and are serious about their cause should distance themselves from the others who were just in it for the lulz. Then they'd probably gain more credibility. -
Without giving anything away, I know that some veterans in the protest and independent-media businesses are now advising Anonymous.
Ah. Now the penny drops about a couple of people hanging at the back of the protest that I thought I recognised from somewhere. -
There were certainly memes going around the LA protest, mostly as chatter amongst the group and yeah, some signs. But the info that was being distributed to people driving or walking by was totally "serious business." I think that was an important difference.
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Perhaps those involved with the protests and are serious about their cause should distance themselves from the others who were just in it for the lulz
No. That would kill it. In this form, Anonymous has a finite lifespan anyway. It has to all be about the lulz. If it gets too serious, then the 'terrorist' tag will stick.
You can't label someone a terrorist for playing Rick Astley at you whilst wearing a Hello Kitty T-Shirt. That's why this is working. -
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CommentAuthororwellseyes
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
I know that some veterans in the protest and independent-media businesses are now advising Anonymous.
There was a line in one of the videos about "do not ask for police officer's badge numbers" that comes right out of the playbook of the old hat GLBT protest veterans I knew in school.
Good on those folks for sharing their knowledge. I'm not seeing any reports of arrests or clashes with cops. Even in America, where I figured the paranoia about "cyber-terrorists" would lead to some ugliness. -
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CommentAuthorCat Vincent
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
No. That would kill it. In this form, Anonymous has a finite lifespan anyway. It has to all be about the lulz. If it gets too serious, then the 'terrorist' tag will stick.
You can't label someone a terrorist for playing Rick Astley at you whilst wearing a Hello Kitty T-Shirt. That's why this is working.
Exactly. Plus of course the one thing that really gets to monolithic power groups like CoS is being laughed at publicly. That's why the South Park ep and the Cruise vid got them so busy. -
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- CommentAuthorBrotherNeutron
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
@oddcult
i think you misunderstood me. i meant the whiners when i said "those that were in it for the lulz," those that just wanted to prank call and attack the websites and do all sorts of illegal things.
I'm all for rick-rolling the CoS. that video from London was amazing. -
As for mixing Lulz with Serious Business, I don't think I'd have ever given a damn about politics or social issues if it wasn't for Jello Biafra.
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@BN - Ah. Sorry. Different take on lulz.
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CommentAuthororwellseyes
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
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here is a set from someone who attended the protest in toronto. boy am i impressed at all the stories/ photos on the thread about this
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SO over at boingboing they had this pic. Of what appears to be a surveillance truck..at the LA protest. Heh all those 2 sided mirror panels are kind of conspicuous i would say. -
Well, I for one, will no longer be purchasing my ice from Frosty Ice Co.
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- CommentAuthorstandardman
- CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
The ice creams are watching, always watching. -
So that's the infamous party van?
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