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  1.  (94.1)
    Has anyone else here read Richard North Patterson's "No Safe Place." Its one of the best pieces of political fiction I've read.

      CommentAuthorJoe Paoli
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2007
    Haven’t read it, but I’ll give it a shot.

    Political/Military fiction is tough to read sometimes because opposing political viewpoints occasionally reach off the page and slap you while your reading.

    Having read and enjoyed a lot of Tom Clancy until I learned his Five Favorite Plots, I’d say I enjoy all the military and political stuff. Even though I’m a somewhat Libretarian-leaning Democrat, I’d still recommend everything Clancy wrote up through Debt of Honor, as well as selected parts of Executive Orders and Rainbow Six.

    Having given up on Clancy (who seems to have given up authoring fiction anyway), I’ve discovered Kyle Mills, because he writes nice little action thrillers that seem to be based on the same large scale sociopolitical issues I think about a lot – drugs, terrorism, mega-religion, nuclear materials in the post-soviet world to name a few. His stuff is worth checking out.

    I also just started reading my first Vince Flynn book, but it’s tough going. It’s hard for me currently to stomach a story opening with the hero CIA assassin planning to kill or extradite an evil Muslim cleric. I’m all for 24-esque asskickery in my fiction, but given how ineptly the US seems to be at even identifying the supposed villains they apply this flawed doctrine to in Real Life, it’s tough for me to swallow the inherent righteousness of Our Hero in this book as he goes about it.
  2.  (94.3)
    What I enjoyed msot about Executive Orders were that showed President Ryan getting used to his office. No Safe Place is much more like those parts of the book--the entire novel covers the six days before the California primary.

    - Zachary -
  3.  (94.4)
    What's it about? Aside from the six days before the California primary.
      CommentAuthorJoe Paoli
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2007
    * Zachary Cole
    What I enjoyed msot about Executive Orders were that showed President Ryan getting used to his office.

    I liked a lot of the mechanics of how Ryan rebuilt and ran the government and how what was left of the Establishment (as well as other Governments) was/were completely unprepared to deal with a non-politician as President. But then I also liked a lot of the character interplay and the confrontational stuff. It was only in later readings that it started feeling to me like Clancy stump speeching about how governmnent should be run rather than telling a good story. Though Clancy does get major points for delving pretty deep into the details to make his scenarios feel a lot more credible than they maybe should.
  4.  (94.6)
    Joe Paoli: I feel the same way. I first read "Executive Orders" in 8th grade, and didn't really understand partisan politics. Looking back, its obvious that Clancy has an agenda and his characters share those views. Stll, its better than his next book, where the Vice President of the United States makes "Those stupid Poles" jokes (!).

    warren: The book begins with a shooting outside an abortion clinic. Then we follow candidate Kerry Kilcannon, who grew up poor in racially-divided Newark New Jersey, as he runs against the sitting VP. The Prez is involved in a sex scandal (it was written just before the Lewinsky business.) Without giving too much away, we follow Kilcannon, learning about a potentionally damaging personal matter he's trying to hide, his tragic past (very intentional shades of RFK) and the cost, mental and physical, of running for public office. Patterson mainly writes legal thrillers, which don't interest me one bit, but this book was insightful and well-told.

    - Zachary -