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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-11T21:24:24-08:00</published>
		<updated>2011-01-11T21:26:27-08:00</updated>
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			<name>oddbill</name>
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			This is a concept that I think @Argos and I invented on Twitter last night. Pardon the long image, but here's how the idea unfolded (it doesn't actually take that long to read it, it's a shorter ...
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			<![CDATA[This is a concept that I think @Argos and I invented on Twitter last night. Pardon the long image, but here's how the idea unfolded (it doesn't actually take that long to read it, it's a shorter exchange than it seems):<br /><br /><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/5345675260/" title="gendersphere by oddbill, on Flickr" ><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5281/5345675260_aef827c64f_o.jpg" width="530" height="3549" alt="gendersphere" ></a><br /><br />It's unfortunate that the same words, Male & Female, are used as labels for sets of social behaviors as well as for the physical sexes which they are usually, but not always, associated with.<br /><br />I think these are three separate graphs:<br /><br /><ul ><li ><b >Male/Female</b> - this is the actual biological sex, it is almost completely binary, there is only a very small set of individuals that fall somewhere between poles along a single axis due to hormonal variation and unusual chromosomal expression. Most people are on one or the other pole, morphologically.</li><br /><li ><b >Straight/Gay</b> - this is sexual orientation, a completely different graph, with an x axis where the weight is largely concentrated on either end (mostly attracted to male, mostly attracted to female), but with a much larger spread across the middle than the Male/Female axis. I think there is also a Y axis here that graphs the degree the individual is sexually motivated at all. High Ys are highly sexual, low Ys are asexual. Most everyone is a point somewhere on this plane, moving up and down along the Y fairly freely over the course of their lives, but mostly hovering around the same x position they found themselves in when they became sexually aware, with maybe a little fluctuation, but for most people not much.</li><br /><li ><b >Masculine/Feminine</b> - This is the gender graph, that we are talking about in the twitter conversation in the picture. It's another completely different graph, and it occured to us last night that maybe it's a sphere with possibly infinite axes.</li></ul><br /><br />That's like a logical progression from a one dimensional line (sex) to a two dimensional plane (orientation) to a three dimensional sphere (gender).<br /><br />I'm guessing I'm not the first person to think in this direction, and that there are individuals here that have thought deeper about the nature of sex/orientation/gender than I have. What do you think about this? Does it seem like a useful scheme for mapping being?<br /><br />What other unexpected ways have you found to locate aspects of identity in the experience space of being human?]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-11T22:16:06-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Jay Kay</name>
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			Very interesting--though I don't think I quite understand that the people in the photo mean by &quot;vulnerable/invulnerable.&quot;
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			<![CDATA[Very interesting--though I don't think I quite understand that the people in the photo mean by "vulnerable/invulnerable."]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-11T22:28:20-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>oddbill</name>
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			Vulnerable/Invulnerable is meant to be a kind of volume... sort of a measure of confidence. You have some gender based behaviors that you learned, or found comfortable to inhabit, but the degree to ...
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			<![CDATA[Vulnerable/Invulnerable is meant to be a kind of volume... sort of a measure of confidence. You have some gender based behaviors that you learned, or found comfortable to inhabit, but the degree to which you are inclined to act them out in public reflects your coordinate on the vulnerability scale. Very vulnerable people will keep their gender close and unobtrusive, trying mostly not to be noticed, not acting it out in public. Invulnerable people will unselfconsciously act out their gender in public.<br /><br />That's the idea, anyway.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-11T22:33:15-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Jay Kay</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=814</uri>
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			Okay--I was thinking of &quot;vulnerability&quot; as sort of varying levels of self-confidence and self-respect, and while I imagine someone who is still unsure of their gender would feel vulnerable, ...
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			<![CDATA[Okay--I was thinking of "vulnerability" as sort of varying levels of self-confidence and self-respect, and while I imagine someone who is still unsure of their gender would feel vulnerable, I didn't see self-confidence being linked with gender.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-11T22:54:47-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Seantaclaus</name>
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			@oddbill - Thanks for clearing that up (re. Vulnerable/Invulnerable). I was wondering for a bit if you meant something more along the lines of sensitive/insensitive, so to speak. 

That said, ...
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			<![CDATA[@oddbill - Thanks for clearing that up (re. Vulnerable/Invulnerable). I was wondering for a bit if you meant something more along the lines of sensitive/insensitive, so to speak. <br /><br />That said, either way, I would say that certainly gives a lot more flex as to where/how people can identify themselves, especially once there's a visual chart. <br /><br />Just don't add zombies to the mix. Especially the fast ones.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-11T22:57:51-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Jay Kay</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=814</uri>
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			Yeah--I think a literal visual chart would make it a lot more understandable; not to mention probably look pretty cool. 

I wonder if this is close to what you were talking about it--I saw it being ...
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			<![CDATA[Yeah--I think a literal visual chart would make it a lot more understandable; not to mention probably look pretty cool. <br /><br />I wonder if this is close to what you were talking about it--I saw it being thrown around as a deviantART meme fairly recently:<br /><br /><img src="http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2010/362/4/0/identity_spectrum__template__by_adf_fuensalida-d35w1qp.jpg" alt="Identity Spectrum" >]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T07:07:48-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>256</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4827</uri>
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			Very interesting - I love exploring radical gender/sex/queerological realms, and I LOVE graphs, so this is awesome.

However: 
That's like a logical progression from a one dimensional line (sex) ...
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			<![CDATA[Very interesting - I love exploring radical gender/sex/queerological realms, and I LOVE graphs, so this is awesome.<br /><br />However: <br /><blockquote >That's like a logical progression from a one dimensional line (sex) to a two dimensional plane (orientation) to a three dimensional sphere (gender).</blockquote><br />If you have a graph with three axes, the space that it describes is a cube, not a sphere. (Imagine the point whose coordinates are the maximum on each axis - this would be the corner of the cube, and the origin of the graph is the centre.) <br /><br /><div align="center" ><strong >GENDERCUBE</strong>.</div>]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T08:17:27-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Slick</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5354</uri>
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			depends on the relationships between the variables, it could be a cube a sphere or any three dimensional shape.
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			<![CDATA[depends on the relationships between the variables, it could be a cube a sphere or any three dimensional shape.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T08:29:34-08:00</published>
		<updated>2011-01-12T09:33:18-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Internaut</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7307</uri>
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			This short youtube video, involving an anthropomorphized penis in the style of Teletubbies, was posted in the wrong thread. I apologize and remove it.
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			<![CDATA[This short youtube video, involving an anthropomorphized penis in the style of Teletubbies, was posted in the wrong thread. I apologize and remove it.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T09:54:01-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
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			<name>Artenshiur</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=8804</uri>
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			256: The sphere is, to my mind, the most natural representation of a three dimensional space.  Axes are just your coordinate system, and so not particularly meaningful. Spherical, cylindrical, and ...
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			<![CDATA[256: The sphere is, to my mind, the most natural representation of a three dimensional space.  Axes are just your coordinate system, and so not particularly meaningful. Spherical, cylindrical, and other coordinate systems describe a three dimensional space equally well. Also, the vertices you mention actually describe an octohedron.<br /><br />But to hell with geometry, this is good stuff.  I'm always glad to see these conversations going on, even though I'm never really able to add much.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T10:01:04-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
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			@Internaut

I think this is one of the few forums where such a flub could A) happen and B) the apology would be understood and accepted by the general populous.
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			<![CDATA[@Internaut<br /><br />I think this is one of the few forums where such a flub could A) happen and B) the apology would be understood and accepted by the general populous.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T10:41:01-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>icelandbob</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250</uri>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			so what shape would a 4 -dimensional gender graph take? A gendercube/sphere travelling through time?

Overall this helps to confirm my notion that Sexuality cannot be a binary construction but ...
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			<![CDATA[so what shape would a 4 -dimensional gender graph take? A gendercube/sphere travelling through time?<br /><br />Overall this helps to confirm my notion that Sexuality cannot be a binary construction but essentially a fluid spectrum that takes many forms. Especially if my previous sexually encounters are anything to go by....]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T10:45:55-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
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			@icelandbob

Now that sounds like some stories to hear over some alcohol.

The idea that sexuality isn't a binary thing isn't very new, it's certainly been out there since Kinsey and Masters ...
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			<![CDATA[@icelandbob<br /><br />Now that sounds like some stories to hear over some alcohol.<br /><br />The idea that sexuality isn't a binary thing isn't very new, it's certainly been out there since Kinsey and Masters & Johnson. I think that the complexity of sexuality (everything from how people view their physical hardware to their social software to their preferences for partners, or lack there of, and relationship styles) has been growing as people have paid more attention to it.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T11:03:06-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>256</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4827</uri>
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			It would be really interesting to see data from a large population plotted spatially. I expect that you'd see certain &quot;cloud&quot; clusters which would be centred around particular identities ...
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			<![CDATA[It would be really interesting to see data from a large population plotted spatially. I <em >expect</em> that you'd see certain "cloud" clusters which would be centred around particular identities that we have names for ("Plain ol' straight male" would probably be a big one, something like "butch dyke" less so, and then smaller ones at "male lesbian" or whatever) - I guess this is based on the assumption that existing gender identities influence how people think about themselves (ie that they form templates for behaviour, increasing the granularity of identity), but it's possible that the graph of a large sample would actually disprove that (if clustering isn't significant/strong - not sure how you'd test that, maybe some sort of Laplacian thing? ugh).<br /><br />The other difficulty, as ever, would be in measuring people against the scale - objective data from something that is very very subjective.<br /><br />ALSO: Re fluctuation in identity over time - if you took a "reading" of a subject over time (every six months, year, two years, whatever), and connected each identity point over a long enough time span, you'd be able to see the evolution of someone's identity as a line in space (probably sorta twisty and zig-zagging for some, maybe just a single dot for others).<br />[this would, in a sense, be FOUR dimensional].<br /><br />@Artenshiur: Alternative coordinate systems - Yeah, that's true. If one was really wedded to the idea of a sphere, you could use polar coordinates (I'm thinking of the one with r, theta and phi, I <em >think</em> that's polar) to define a spherical volume (but not a spherical surface, which would only have two coords).<br /><blockquote >Also, the vertices you mention actually describe an octohedron</blockquote><br />Oops, I was unclear there - the ends of the axes themselves form the 6 corners of an octohedron, but the space defined by them has 8 extreme points (ie the points whose coordinates are all the possible combinations of the max/min values possible), and these are the 8 corners of a cube. (If your three axes all run from 1 to -1, the extreme points are (1,1,1), (1,-1,1), (-1,-1,1), (-1,1,1), (1,-1,-1), (1,-1,-1), (1,1,-1), (-1,1,-1), and (-1,-1,-1).)<br /><br />Also, <em >god damn it</em> Whitechapel for making me do maths I never thought I'd have to do again.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T11:54:35-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>joe.distort</name>
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			i think this is one area where i would probably be considered 'closeminded' by my fellow whitechaplains, since im pretty sure there are only three gender options:

male
female
trans

i dont ...
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			<![CDATA[i think this is one area where i would probably be considered 'closeminded' by my fellow whitechaplains, since im pretty sure there are only three gender options:<br /><br />male<br />female<br />trans<br /><br />i dont really feel that ones behavior/personality/sexual preference somehow creates other genders. if i am gay, straight or bi i am still a man. if a woman is butch, or a man is femme, they are still men and women. if you are transgender, you are a middle ground between the two genders, regardless if you are trans male or female. maybe im the minority here, but it seems pretty cut and dry to me?]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T12:26:57-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>mercurialblonde</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2444</uri>
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			I'm not sure transgender folk represent a middle ground between gender identities.  There's quite a spectrum in the transgender community itself.  Enough so that I don't think it can exist as a ...
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			<![CDATA[I'm not sure transgender folk represent a middle ground between gender identities.  There's quite a spectrum in the transgender community itself.  Enough so that I don't think it can exist as a singular point in and of itself on a graph.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-12T14:49:02-08:00</published>
		<updated>2011-01-12T14:50:13-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Argos</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7792</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Omg, best thread ever.  I love you guys.

I chose the term &quot;sphere&quot; because that's what popped into my head first.  Also, I think you can have more than three axes, but then it'd just get ...
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			<![CDATA[Omg, best thread ever.  I love you guys.<br /><br />I chose the term "sphere" because that's what popped into my head first.  Also, I think you can have more than three axes, but then it'd just get convoluted.  Also it's more aesthetically pleasing, imo.<br /><br />@<strong >DarkKnightJared</strong>  Just like that, but make each of those middles (0,0) and stick all those lines so that all the (0,0)'s intersect.<br /><br />@<strong >Icelandbob</strong> That'd be cool!  My sexuality and gender identity are definitely very fluid.  I feel very female somedays, very male others, but overall pretty androgynous/tomboyish.  Same for my sexuality, usually overall more attracted to men, but sometimes more attracted to women, etc. etc.  There is definitely a 4th dimension in which your dot in the sphere would be traveling and leaving a little trail.<br /><br />@<strong >Joe.Distort</strong> Gender is a social construct.  I am a biological female.  As such, society throws these gender roles at me.  Dress pretty, wear makeup, blah blah blah.  But I don't roll that way.  I like working with my hands and playing in the dirt and reading comic books, which, yes, has blown people's minds before.  My sister's friend thought it very funny and weird that I *gasp* played World of Warcraft.  I very much love having a female body, but when it comes to gender <em >roles</em>, I prefer the male ones, or a mix of male and female roles.  I tend to identify myself as a biologically female androgyne who is pansexual (meaning that I am sexually attracted to people of all sexes and gender identities.  I like femme males & females as well as masculine males and females and adrogynous folk, etc. etc.).  Also, some people have sexual preferences more strongly associated with gender than sex.  For example, I have a friend who is attracted to anyone who is feminine, even if they are biologically male.  She prefers a femme guy to a butch girl.  I had a friend once who was born male, and eventually started undergoing transition to become female because she felt she was born in the wrong body (I'm using she here because 1) that's her preference and 2) the transition is complete), but this individual sexually liked females, so she identified as "a lesbian trapped in a male's body," because, even while "male," she identified with the female gender, and when crossdressing, she was one of the hottest women I knew.  Passed with flying colors.<br /><br />@<strong >mercurialblonde</strong>  Agreed, many genderqueer folk don't like the line concept, because many feel they lie outside of it, it's just, unfortunately, the easiest visual to produce (and make into a graph with other axes).<br /><br />I'd say more, but I'm actually currently in class (Critical Gender Studies, actually, haha).  I do encourage everyone interested in this thread to check out <a href="http://www.genderfork.com" >GenderFork</a> for more input on the topic from others who identify as queer in some form or another.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278396#Comment_278396</id>
		<published>2011-01-12T15:20:32-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@joe.distort

Gender is the social context/creation
What you seem to be describing is &quot;sex&quot; which is typically thought to be the hard-ware you're currently sporting.
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			<![CDATA[@joe.distort<br /><br />Gender is the social context/creation<br />What you seem to be describing is "sex" which is typically thought to be the hard-ware you're currently sporting.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278400#Comment_278400</id>
		<published>2011-01-12T15:38:52-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>icelandbob</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5250</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Having said this, can you imagine a person who had a Gendersphere vector of (0,0,0), right smack bang in the middle, while travelling through the 4th time dimension?I wonder what sort of person that ...
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			<![CDATA[Having said this, can you imagine a person who had a Gendersphere vector of (0,0,0), right smack bang in the middle, while travelling through the 4th time dimension?I wonder what sort of person that would be like?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278410#Comment_278410" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278410#Comment_278410</id>
		<published>2011-01-12T16:34:36-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>joe.distort</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=1173</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			then you guys would be right: i guess im purely talking about the 'sex' as split by that delineation, rather than gender. i was using the terms pretty much interchangebly. 

nevermind, then. its ...
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			<![CDATA[then you guys would be right: i guess im purely talking about the 'sex' as split by that delineation, rather than gender. i was using the terms pretty much interchangebly. <br /><br />nevermind, then. its all good!]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278415#Comment_278415" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278415#Comment_278415</id>
		<published>2011-01-12T17:02:46-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Cat Vincent</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=447</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I'd love to see TOP---SWITCH---BOTTOM and
MONOGAMOUS---POLYAMOROUS-IN-GROUP---POLYAMOROUS GENERALLY as options

There's also null-sex as a factor in gender spectrum.
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			<![CDATA[I'd love to see TOP---SWITCH---BOTTOM and<br />MONOGAMOUS---POLYAMOROUS-IN-GROUP---POLYAMOROUS GENERALLY as options<br /><br />There's also null-sex as a factor in gender spectrum.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278420#Comment_278420" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278420#Comment_278420</id>
		<published>2011-01-12T17:51:56-08:00</published>
		<updated>2011-01-12T17:52:21-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>celan</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Late to the party but here's my 2 cents...Wouldn't Extroversion/Introversion be a handy substitute for what you are calling Vulnerable/Invulnerable? I totally get what you are saying but I find a ...
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			<![CDATA[Late to the party but here's my 2 cents...Wouldn't Extroversion/Introversion be a handy substitute for what you are calling Vulnerable/Invulnerable? I totally get what you are saying but I find a word like "invulnerable" to be a little too fraught with distracting connotations. Just sayin'.<br />And perhaps a (theoretically) asexual person would not fit on that particular graph...since we would not want to confuse someone who wants to fuck everything with someone who is happy to have their bits in a jar on the shelf, if you'll excuse my flippancy. =p]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278428#Comment_278428" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278428#Comment_278428</id>
		<published>2011-01-12T19:05:11-08:00</published>
		<updated>2011-01-12T19:09:16-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Argos</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7792</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Joe.Distort A lot of people do that, and that's what a lot of us are set out to change.  We just want people to realize that the two are different, because it's currently the norm to use them ...
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			<![CDATA[@<strong >Joe.Distort</strong> A lot of people do that, and that's what a lot of us are set out to change.  We just want people to realize that the two are different, because it's currently the norm to use them interchangeably.  Not close-minded so much as just ignorant to that fact.<br /><br />@<strong >cat</strong> I like the idea of top/bottom/switch being in there too.  Don't know if the monogamous/poly dynamic would work as I'm not sure it can be graphed linearly, but it'd certainly be neat to be able to toss that into the identity sphere/cube/three dimensional shape as well.  Maybe poly people could add an infinity sign somewhere on the graph?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278440#Comment_278440" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278440#Comment_278440</id>
		<published>2011-01-12T21:09:28-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>oddbill</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=4272</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I'm going to go through all the posts here and try to re-present the idea incorporating your thinking, but regarding the sphere notion, I just want to clarify: I was thinking of it as a sphere ...
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			<![CDATA[I'm going to go through all the posts here and try to re-present the idea incorporating your thinking, but regarding the sphere notion, I just want to clarify: I was thinking of it as a sphere because there could be, it seems to me, any number of axes. They would all cross at their centerpoints and radiate out to their poles, making a kind of magnificent gender koosh-ball:<br /><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/billcunningham/koosh-ball.jpg" alt="KOOSH!" ><br /><br />So, one of those axes could absolutely be TOP-SWITCH-BOTTOM. There are many, many behaviors, many of which aren't even really associated with sexual activity in any way, which are seen as gender indicative. I think you could put any of them in the koosh. <br /><br />Defining the axes is almost the same as defining a culture. So you'd have the gendersphere for Urban West Coast United States, and the gendersphere for Rural Post-Soviet Tuva, and those two genderspheres might have some like axes, but many of the axes will be unique to each culture.<br /><br />So, you'd have a coordinate on all the axes relevant to your culture, and if you connected them you'd get a kind of wavy sheet folded around in the sphere - and if you plotted the shifting position on all the axes over time, you wouldn't have a line moving, you'd have something that looked like an aurora:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sa-3DoXHQQ" ></a><br /><br />Anyway, that's the thinking behind the sphere. I'll try to draw a sample graph this weekend.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-13T02:35:42-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Ben Klumaster</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=2723</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@oddbill Ah, kind of like those things you fill in near the end of school that tell you never to become a manager or a carer (or whatever)? Except in 3D and pointier? I suppose you'd need to sort the ...
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			<![CDATA[@oddbill Ah, kind of like those things you fill in near the end of school that tell you never to become a manager or a carer (or whatever)? Except in 3D and pointier? I suppose you'd need to sort the axes so that things traditionally assumed to be related (say, male/dominant) are near each other, so that the smoothness of the shape would give you an idea of how you compare to cultural assumptions.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-13T11:15:29-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Argos</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7792</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			GenderKoosh.

I like that it's rainbow colored, haha.  Is it a queer GenderKoosh?
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			<![CDATA[GenderKoosh.<br /><br />I like that it's rainbow colored, haha.  Is it a queer GenderKoosh?]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278521#Comment_278521" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
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		<published>2011-01-13T14:20:38-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Cassandra</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=3993</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			How would the sphere deal with multiply-held identities?  If you examine masculine/feminine as socio-cultural constructs and therefore as performative behaviours then you can perform behaviours coded ...
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			<![CDATA[How would the sphere deal with multiply-held identities?  If you examine masculine/feminine as socio-cultural constructs and therefore as performative behaviours then you can perform behaviours coded as various degrees of masculine or feminine in quick succession or even simultaneously - especially if you view the socio-cultural part of the process as ongoing/constant (ie that different viewers of the behaviour will code it's masculine/feminine-ness differently).<br /><br />Does that make any sense? <br /><br />This is really interesting but the maths is making me feel a bit giddy - please excuse me if I've missed something that answers the question!]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-13T16:24:45-08:00</published>
		<updated>2011-01-13T16:26:43-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Argos</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=7792</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Cassandra, I honestly dont think it can. Because the gendersphere reduces aspects of identity to single line spectrums, it becomes an incredibly oversimplified and highly limited system. It's a fun ...
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			<![CDATA[Cassandra, I honestly dont think it can. Because the gendersphere reduces aspects of identity to single line spectrums, it becomes an incredibly oversimplified and highly limited system. It's a fun idea and definitely that I think can be useful in breaking the binary by way of introducing the idea of limitless complex identities to those who still live within the binary, but realistically the sphere isnt capable of accurately mapping every identity that exists. <br /><br />But imagine if, on a census or other questionnaires, you were asked to plot your approximate place on the sphere rather than simply being asked your age and sex. How cool would that be? Complicated, yes, but it would show how much more colorful humans really are beyond the simple battle of the sexes.<br /><br />Edited to correct autocorrect]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278551#Comment_278551" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
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		<published>2011-01-13T17:04:49-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Finagle</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5254</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@oddbill - 

This is something I've actually thought quite a lot about, and I've gotten through my phase where &quot;all identities must be rejected.&quot;  But I'm still not comfortable with the ...
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			<![CDATA[@oddbill - <br /><br />This is something I've actually thought quite a lot about, and I've gotten through my phase where "all identities must be rejected."  But I'm still not comfortable with the meat-grinder aspects of inspecting one's identity to determine what's what. <br /><br />Part of the problem, as far as I'm concerned, is this interrogation of identities. As some background, let me say that I'm the custodial parent of a 16-year old girl.  This subject has come up multiple times in casual conversation - the kids are way ahead of us on this issue, let me tell ya. <br /><br />That interrogation has not gotten more productive, as far as I can see.  The Kids (tm) are still pretty interested in who is "gay" and who is "straight".   "Bisexual", "polysexual" and the "whatever" category seem to be recognized as existing, though.  But the amount of time my kid seems to put in to figuring out "who is what" is ...totally exhausting. <br /><br />When I talk to the kid, I try to follow what I learned from attending a talk by Suzie Bright.  To wit, she said:  "I identify as as lesbian because at a protest rally, I can't fit my whole sexual history on a sign."<br /><br />I respect that.  That's pretty much it.  I've come to respect whatever it is that folks need to call themselves, for whatever reason.  Why?  It really is just to tiring to suss it all out, otherwise, unless one has  intentions of going to bed with and/or having a life with said person.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278554#Comment_278554" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
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		<published>2011-01-13T17:15:45-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>RenThing</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=155</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I think the reason why kids spend so much time trying to compartmentalize is because they're not yet to the point where they can get the fluidity of sexuality. Maybe it's a maturity thing.
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			<![CDATA[I think the reason why kids spend so much time trying to compartmentalize is because they're not yet to the point where they can get the fluidity of sexuality. Maybe it's a maturity thing.]]>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278557#Comment_278557" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278557#Comment_278557</id>
		<published>2011-01-13T18:03:33-08:00</published>
		<updated>2011-01-13T18:05:38-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>John Skylar</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=8976</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I'm fascinated by how people try to categorize themselves and others, but I wish we lived in a society where could all be who we are without needing fanciful means of explaining ourselves.

Despite ...
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I'm fascinated by how people try to categorize themselves and others, but I wish we lived in a society where could all be who we are without needing fanciful means of explaining ourselves.<br /><br />Despite that wish, this is a pretty fascinating discussion, all.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278571#Comment_278571" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278571#Comment_278571</id>
		<published>2011-01-13T19:19:49-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Jay Kay</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=814</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			I think labels are a bit of a necessary evil--especially now, where they're needed to show that there isn't just straight and binary.
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		<content type="html">
			<![CDATA[I think labels are a bit of a necessary evil--especially now, where they're needed to show that there isn't just straight and binary.]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
		<link rel="alternate" href="http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278762#Comment_278762" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en"/>
		<id>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9405&amp;Focus=278762#Comment_278762</id>
		<published>2011-01-14T14:45:40-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>celan</name>
			<uri>http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/account.php?u=5337</uri>
		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Thought this might be relevant: Professor Robert Jensen describes the process he uses to propel college students to examine their beliefs about gender.
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			<![CDATA[Thought this might be relevant: <a href="http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/masculinefeminineorhuman.htm" >Professor Robert Jensen describes the process he uses to propel college students to examine their beliefs about gender.</a>]]>
		</content>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-14T14:57:58-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Argos</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@John Skylar My old apt mate has made that same argument.  Why need all these categories at all?  My answer: Some people really like them.  Some people, be they male, female, or other (biologically), ...
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			<![CDATA[@<strong >John Skylar</strong> My old apt mate has made that same argument.  Why need all these categories at all?  My answer: Some people really like them.  Some people, be they male, female, or other (biologically), <em >really enjoy</em> being feminine and playing it up in the way they dress, behave, etc, and want to show it off.  For others, the same with masculinity.  Others really enjoy gender bending, which you can't really do if the labels didn't exist.  I think it's more of a matter of accepting that some people have heteronormative identities, others have strange and convoluted identities, and others just <em >are</em> and want to leave it at that.]]>
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		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-14T17:33:20-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>256</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			There's also the fact that having a name for what you are makes it easier to find people who are like you. Which is sometimes desirable. 

The problems seem to occur when the labels stop being just ...
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			<![CDATA[There's also the fact that having a name for what you are makes it easier to find people who are like you. Which is sometimes desirable. <br /><br />The problems seem to occur when the labels stop being just descriptive and become prescriptive.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-14T21:36:09-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Argos</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			The problems seem to occur when the labels stop being just descriptive and become prescriptive. 

That might be the most succinct way of putting it I've heard (or said, rather).  I always get so ...
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote >The problems seem to occur when the labels stop being just descriptive and become prescriptive. </blockquote><br /><br />That might be the most succinct way of putting it I've heard (or said, rather).  I always get so caught up in the issue that my explanations get all convoluted.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-15T02:07:22-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>TheDownwardChucky</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			To Oddbill and every one else who has had a hand in this, I tip my hat to you all.  The idea of having a 3D map of ways that people might explain them selves that is inclusive as the Gendersphere is ...
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			<![CDATA[To Oddbill and every one else who has had a hand in this, I tip my hat to you all.  The idea of having a 3D map of ways that people might explain them selves that is inclusive as the Gendersphere is great.  I can see my self using it as a way of explaining to people who do not yet have the language to describe the many types  of persons in our world.<br /><br />I think this tool has much use, as it is easy to understand with one or two cravats like sex and gender are different. After that you can plot a simple set of points that simply describe something.  To me it feels like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs in that it is a simple visual tool that is a starting point for some serious ideas and theory.  <br /><br />And like Maslow's Hierarchy there could be some criticism leveled against it in that it does not cover enough of the bases in regards to relationship choice like Poly as raised before or that it might not cover some non-western ideas of gender such as the Fa'afafine of Samoa or the Hijra of India.  But I think that those ideas are beyond the scope of a tool such as the Gendersphere and that is ok.  To turn a phrase the Gendersphere could be  the gateway drug to gender studies.  Or not.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-15T11:45:44-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Cassandra</name>
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		</author>
		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			@Argos Ah, thank you! My lack of mathmatical knowledge raises most of it to the status of Magick in what it might be able to achieve. 

I love the idea of it on a census form almost as much as the ...
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			<![CDATA[@Argos Ah, thank you! My lack of mathmatical knowledge raises most of it to the status of Magick in what it might be able to achieve. <br /><br />I love the idea of it on a census form almost as much as the idea of it as "a gateway drug to genderstudies"! On the subject of which @Oddbill, if you do turn this idea into graphic form would you mind if it was used for the teaching of exactly that?]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-15T14:32:24-08:00</published>
		<updated>2011-01-15T14:32:45-08:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>256</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			One thing I have learned in my brief career of scientific data interpretation* and subsequent fooling around with creative dataviz**, is that it's always a good idea to get your data first, then ...
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			<![CDATA[One thing I have learned in my brief career of scientific data interpretation* and subsequent fooling around with creative dataviz**, is that it's always a good idea to <strong >get your data first</strong>, <em >then</em> decide how to render it best. To do otherwise is putting the cart before the horse. <br /><br />With that in mind, does anyone have, or have leads on, a large relevant dataset? I imagine you'd need a specialist survey for the full gendersphere approach, but maybe there's a good enough national census or something that could be used to trial the idea? I'd be <em >very </em>interested to play about with the data myself. <br /><br />* "<em >Why isn't it a straight line? It's supposed to be a straight line! Oh, fuck it, we'll just </em>say <em >it's a straight line.</em>"<br />** "<em >Interesting, but not pretty enough. Make it prettier.</em>"]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-15T16:45:44-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>Argos</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			As I mentioned already, peruse genderfork. You'll fin all kinds of different gender identities (and sexual preferences, etc) on there, especially when the profiles pop up.
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			<![CDATA[As I mentioned already, peruse <a href="http://www.genderfork.com" >genderfork</a>. You'll fin all kinds of different gender identities (and sexual preferences, etc) on there, especially when the profiles pop up.]]>
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	<entry>
		<title>Gendersphere</title>
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		<published>2011-01-17T19:23:15-08:00</published>
		<updated>2013-05-19T18:19:11-07:00</updated>
		<author>
			<name>oddbill</name>
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		<summary type="text" xml:lang="en">
			Came across this today:



It seemed relevant.
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			<![CDATA[Came across this today:<br /><br /><a href="http://fuckyeahtattoos.tumblr.com/post/2525437995/this-is-my-gender-multi-tool-it-looks-a-bit" ><img src="http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/billcunningham/tumblr_le0p0iQmbL1qzabkfo1_1280.jpg" alt="Gender Multitool Tattoo" ></a><br /><br />It seemed relevant.]]>
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