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Jan 17th 2011
I have to wonder about people who come to places like Whitechapel merely to pimp themselves and their work without contributing to any threads or topics that aren't related directly to them.
On one hand, it could be said that doing so does add to the discourse of the board by providing things to discuss, new art to peruse, etc.
On the other hand, I find the inherent selfishness kind of boring and annoying.
I think when self-promotion crosses the line is whether or not people are adding to the general discourse in other ways that have nothing to do with themselves or their work. For instance there are a lot of great artists, musicians and authors doing a lot of wonderful projects who frequent WC but many of them post other stuff that has nothing to do with their work and thus contribute to the general success (if you want to consider it that way) of the community. By posting other things, they aren't simply wandering onto the forum and essentially shouting "HEY, LOOK AT ME!" and treating the community like we're here just for them to advertise to.
Meh, sorry about the brain dump, I've just seen a lot of this on other forums and a few threads that were nothing but one person essentially spamming their work without contributing much else.
Jan 18th 2011
Some people just devalue others as anything more than the faceless mass that they need to trick into selling shit to.
Back in 2006, I joined up with a friend's webcomic collective, wanting some solidarity and, y'know, someone to do all the website/promotion work for me.
When I spoke with the leader of the collective (not my friend) he explained that the plan of promo attack was we should go into forums, start fights with people, and make sure to plaster our website link all over our posts, so that people who were frustrated by us would click on the link and go read the site.
There were other, less insane ideas of self-promotion, but this one got to me the most. Oh, also there wasn't even a website built yet, just a "coming soon" landing page that explained nothing about what was coming and no deadline to when we could expect it to be up and about.
I declined to continue with them after that meeting.
Jan 18th 2011
Reminds me of a guy who was recently convicted of making threats across state borders, stalking, and various other crimes. He was the owner of decormyeyes.com and his marketing strategy was to be a dick but worse than just internet trolling. Bad customer service, calling up and making threats to people who left bad reviews. He called one guy's work and told them that their employee was gay.
Jan 20th 2011
I tend to have a policy of if someone promotes their stuff on the board without it being a webcomic promo thread or taking an active role in the community then I ignore them and their work. I come to Whitechapel to see how people think, not what new wares they've got.
Jan 20th 2011
I believe you and I have had talks about that very idea in the chat room.
Jan 25th 2011
I certainly hope you don't feel my recent event post falls into this category. I can't help but feel a little self-conscious, of course.
I think of course, that you're right. If you don't get involved and you're just here to post an ad, that's more than a little skeevy. I think the good test is to compare the community to a person you know. If you've just met somebody at a bar, you're not going to go "Hay look I's got a webcomic!!!" and get a good response. If you've known them for a few months, well, maybe.
When it comes to the decormyeyes types of the world, I like to think that if you relax and stop promoting yourself, but instead learn to love whatever others are doing, you'll reap actual benefits that far exceed whatever being an asshole would get you. People may click people they hate, but they only like people they like.
Jan 30th 2011
I joined whitechapel specifically for the purpose of self-promotion.
But I also enjoy whitechapel for the interesting content it has. And, when I do post, I try to make it about things that will interest chapelers in general. For example, I won't just say "i did this thing", I will say "I have been doing this thing, in this way... how do YOU do a similar thing?".
My goal is not to just post free ads for my work, but to actually discuss it...and the creative process of "work" in general.
As a self promoter, I don't really have much of a problem with those that do so, provided they are doing it in an honest and straightforward way.
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