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    • CommentAuthorIsaacSher
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2011
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    Loved it. A great start to the season, as I'm intrigued and excited to see what happens next. Mark Sheppard (and dad) was awesome, but I'll freely admit that after his work on Firefly and especially Leverage that I'm a full-on fan of Mr. Sheppard at this point. Had it been announced that he'd be showing up in Dr. Who? If so, I missed that memo and was thus very pleasantly surprised.

    My roommate had some issues with period accuracy for 1969 -- namely that Sheppard's gun wasn't invented for a few years yet, and that Florida wouldn't have man-sized underground sewers like that. I have no idea if he's right, but even if he is, it didn't lessen my enjoyment. River Song really clicked for the first time for me, and I absolutely loved her mutual flirtation with the Doctor. Rory and Amy are awesome as always, and will hopefully go down in Who history as top-tier companions on par with, say, the already-missed Sarah Jane Smith. Excellent episode all around.
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      CommentAuthorBeamish
    • CommentTimeApr 25th 2011
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    Overall I enjoyed it, I am a bit tired of River, but Rory made up for it.
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    On the second viewing...

    It's probably a slip-up. Probably. But...

    Just before the Doctor 'dies', at the hands of the Astronaut...

    What did he do with the wine bottle?
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      CommentAuthorFauxhammer
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
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    It's funny to see that there doesn't seem to be a huge gap in opinion between old-school fans and people who jumped on with Eccleston or Tennant (that's me, with the exception of a few Baker episodes on public TV).

    I'm really digging the Moffat run. It's for the most part funnier and scarier than RTD's stint, and not once has The Doctor said "I'm sorry. I am so, so sorry", and then cried.
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    The lack of crying Doctor in this new incarnation is a great plus in my books.
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      CommentAuthorFauxhammer
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
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    Oh, William. Oh, William, I am so, so sorry. Eleven has a good weep at a chick flick in Episode Ten.
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    In all seriousness, he did tear up a little in "Flesh And Stone", but for a good reason - he had to leave someone behind. Aside from that, he's been a bit dry-eyed.
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    Of interest to those who found the casting of the lead SS agent jarring: "Life during the civil rights era as a secret service agent" is a short text interview with Donald W Tucker, one of the first black members of the Secret Service who's worked on the protection details of every U.S. president from Lyndon Johnson to George H.W. Bush. Kennedy also had a black man on his detail, who was charged with corruption and imprisoned for 6 years -- accusations he denies to this day -- which prevented him testifying before the Warren Commission.

    There's some gallows humour in TIA revolving around the Library: River's inadvertant foreshadowing of her actual death, not to mention the whole killers in space suits schtick. Which actually highlights something of a problem: Moffat is really starting to heavily repeat his motifs, including a troubling attitude towards women.

    I loved River's little speech about the 'worse day' to Rory because it was a great character moment, but once you actually think about what she says -- notably the implication that their timelines are strictly inverted in relation to each other -- the Doctor/River relationship really starts to come across as skeevy and abusive. Less the convoluted meeting of equals and more a deliberate grooming of an impressionable innocent by a worldly elder with an agenda.
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    Of interest to those who found the casting of the lead SS agent jarring

    Only insofar as it was okay for the only person of colour in the entire show to be Wrong. Even fucking Nixon came off better.
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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeApr 26th 2011
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    wait, what was Wrong with the SS agent? that he was black?
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    @Alastair — I think Warren meant that he was the most unsympathetic character in an episode that included Nixon.
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    i'm confused about River - am i wrong in thinking that she doesn't actually die. wasn't she 'saved' by Doc 10 in some sort of computer thingy? if i'm remebering rightly then Doc 11 would know this of course.
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      CommentAuthorD.J.
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2011
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    @ian

    Yeah, but her body is dead. It's not exactly a happy ending. And the Doctor is very aware.
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    I don't think Moffat shows a troubling attitude towards women....he usually makes the guys look like fools so that the gals come away looking sassy and in control.

    and the Doctor,even with his ability to travel through time,is as much a victim of it's immensity,being swept along by it..I think that's where the River situation stems from...but grooming? C'mon now.


    What's everyone else think?


    Is the Doctor just an abusive , headfucking old lecher in a cosmic ice cream truck, rolling around the multiverse with a hard on and a bunch of cornettos,luring bored youths into a whole new world of seedy wonder?

    haha

    please don't set my mind off on these tangents...this is what happens.
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    I think... I think he's just a dick to people in general. Not purposely, just ... he's a big huge giant brain that thinking so fact and so LARGE that he skips over the inbetween bits. He doesn't think females or males are inferior, he thinks MOST beings are. There's always been an intellectual arrogance and superiority that came with the Doctor; even with Davidson, though it manifested more in his moral sensibilities.

    As far as fellows looking like fools, I think ... well, I really do like to think that Moffat's run is what HE would have done from the beginning, if given the reigns during Rose/Doctor/Mickey. This, to me, feels like a do-over, and I love it.

    Also, I think a lot of what Doctor Who is trying to be is a truly socially forward-thinking show; the first season brought us Captain Jack, after all. It makes sense that there'd be higher degree of strong women that balked the traditional boyfriend/girlfriend dynamic, and that's going to bend things towards having boyfriends that weren't macho archetypes.

    The dynamic between the Doctor and River is really great. The way she looks at him during the truly intimate moments, she has the eyes of a nervous young girl, and he reacts with a professor's awkwardness at being approached by a student.
    • CommentAuthorOxbrow
    • CommentTimeApr 27th 2011
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    Knowing the current Doctor, he'll meet impressionable young River completely by accident and have no idea who she is until it's too late.
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    One subtext in the current run that I've been enjoying that has been mostly ignored pretty much since Hartnel is that the Doctor IS an alien. And even though he makes a good play at humanism, he doesn't always understand that humans are fragile critters and him coming in and taking away all of their delusions and turning their lives upside down is going to leave a lot of mental scars. Even if they are having the time of their lives while he does it.

    Even future humans like Zoe and Captain Jack get overwhelmed by it all.

    So not abusive. More a well meaning, kind of lonely, dope who causes as many problems as he solves.
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    Yeah ,I like that he comes out looking less know it all with moffat and i see it the way you do Rachael...He's operating at a level above most life forms he meets but is still at the mercy of the universe.

    The cool women improve the show big time, and moffat's attitude towards women seems really positive to me.

    Imagine a Grant Morrison helmed series, all rubix cubey storytelling...mmmm, actually it's heading closer in that direction,some people have mentioned getting confused with this first ep , but i love the intricate stuff.

    RTD's run was fun, but Doctor Who should be Mindbending.
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    My guess, regarding the interaction between the Doctor and River, is that
    River kills the Doctor at some point in the future, for whatever reason, and that she may even possibly be the one in the Apollo suit.
    While it's not a spoiler, and several things lean toward this (which means it's entirely possible that it's a red herring), I opted to hide it for those of fragile mind that might be mad for reading it.
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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2011
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    so.... what the fuck is the deal with the girl/baby/timelord?