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    I don't know, but wasn't that a great episode?
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      CommentAuthorAlastair
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2011
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    i loved it, i like how they seem to being going back good proper continuity rather than the final episode "look how clever! it was the daleks all along!" that rtd went with
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2011
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    Something about people putting tally marks on their arms and faces really creeps me out. And very few things do that.

    Cheers for a lovely brand new thing to have nightmares about Moffat!
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    I sense a SPIT theme coming.
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    Wife-the-artist has a theory that Amy is the mother of the entire Time Lord race, that travelling in the TARDIS affected her in some way (TARDIS as symbiote species with the Time Lord race)... and the kid in the Apollo suit is her daughter, and the First Time Lord.

    And I'm not sure she's wrong... and the continuity-lawyer Whovians will just shit if it's true, which I like.
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    Did The Doctor just unapologetically turn the entire human race into an army bent on genocide? THAT never would have happened during Davies' run.
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    Did The Doctor just unapologetically turn the entire human race into an army bent on genocide?

    Sort of. But I think the idea was that he forced the Silence to leave Earth rather than dooming them all to death. They can't all be killed off right away seeing as how most of them were apparently living in underground tunnels, abandoned buildings, etc. And the Doctor has been getting mean for a while now. Remember what he did to that family who thought it was a bright idea to go Time Lord hunting?

    And my little girl theory is that the Doctor is going to knock up Amy Pond. Can humans and Time Lords breed?
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    Oh my. I am just holding on for the ride this season.

    Loving River Song even more.

    Was the Doctor saved? I don't think so.

    More Mark Sheppard please.

    The creepiest and weirdest thing I have is the creepy door lady with the eye patch saying that Amy must be dreaming or is dreaming.
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      CommentAuthorD.J.
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2011
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    Wibblely wobblely timey wimey.

    This was a return to form for the series, for me. Because once again, it wasn't luck, it wasn't Amy and it wasn't some plot device. It was just the Doctor being really clever that saved the day. That is how it should be.
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    The creepiest and weirdest thing I have is the creepy door lady with the eye patch saying that Amy must be dreaming or is dreaming.
    God, I'd forgotten about that until you mentioned it! WTF?

    There was a whole load of WTF in this one for me. I just got done watching it, and I definitely haven't properly processed it (then again, I started drinking at 1 pm today, and it's approaching 10 pm now). Very curious what I think watching it the second time, and watching the two parter back to back; I'm not sure how I feel about pt 2 versus pt 1.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeApr 30th 2011
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    Hmmm, which is creepier: Silence or the Weeping Angels?
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    Sort of. But I think the idea was that he forced the Silence to leave Earth rather than dooming them all to death. They can't all be killed off right away seeing as how most of them were apparently living in underground tunnels, abandoned buildings, etc. And the Doctor has been getting mean for a while now. Remember what he did to that family who thought it was a bright idea to go Time Lord hunting?
    But he left the Family of Blood alive, he actually gave them the immortality that they were seeking, just in the most horrifying manner imaginable. His solution to the Silence problem was to basically program all of humanity FOR THE REST OF TIME, to immediately kill any of the Silence that they see. And he quite gleefully points out how humanity is going to spread out through the entire universe, so it's not like the Silence will have many places to hide. He doesn't even genuinely give them an opportunity to leave peacefully.

    And to be clear, I don't dislike this. I'm just amazed that nobody at the BBC read the script and said 'Waitaminnit... Did he just...? No no, we can't have our family friendly hero do THAT...'
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    Ah. Okay. I get it.
    So we've got a faux-TARDIS. "The ship is crashed. The crew are dead. A pilot is required."* Normal humans aren't physically strong enough to pilot it — it burns their brains out. The Doctor is *too* strong — he'd destroy it. The FAUXRDIS needs something in between human and 900-year-old Time Lord.

    So, we've got the Silence. "They don't make anything themselves, they don't have to — they get other lifeforms to do it for them... Why did the human race suddenly decide to go to the moon? Because the Silence needed a spacesuit." The Silence have the FAUXRDIS, but they didn't build it, they found it. The Silence also have a NASA suit modified with 20 kinds of alien technology, and living in it is...

    ... The little girl. "I'd say she's human — going by the life support software. But she forced her way out. She must be incredibly strong." Human when she was in the space suit — but not anymore. Time Lord, or close enough.

    Close enough to pilot a crashed FAUXRDIS. A fake Time Lord piloting a fake TARDIS, under the hypnotic control of the Silence.

    So why does she appear in 2011 and kill the Doctor? ... I dunno yet. Then again, is it even her in the space suit that time?

    * Whup. PLANETARY flashback.
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    I'm more of the suspicion that the spacesuit was to keep her alive because The Silence didn't want her regenerating. Which, y'know, doesn't answer much apart from why she was in the spacesuit, and that the Silence know that she is someone they don't want running around.

    If I were a betting man - I'd say she's the Rani, or the Doctor's mother and that he's going to have to save her in order to be born.

    But yes, magnificent two-parter the story of which didn't involve running from point a to point b before a magic screwdriver performs plot magic.
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      CommentAuthorLazarus99
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2011
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    What did the Silence on the screen say to set off the humans? I couldn't understand it...
    • CommentAuthorFlabyo
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2011
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    @Laz - 'You should kill us all on sight'.
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    'Humans should kill us on sight' or words very similar to that.
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    @BrianKellett — While that's all possible, Moffat has said in interviews that he's not into continuity porn and that he's more interested in going new places than in revisiting classic, pre-2005 Who stuff. I think that's backed up by his work on the show so far — he introduced Captain Jack, the Weeping Angels, River Song and the Silence, and the only time we've seen him touch on classic Who stuff in the episodes he's written was the Dalek and Cyberman in "Pandorica"/"Big Bang."
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      CommentAuthorCat Vincent
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2011 edited
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    The "creepy door lady with the eye patch" is played by the unfeasably sexy Frances Barber. Character name, according to IMdB, is Lady Korvarian & she'll show up again in the 7th ep of the season, which is supposed to be a game-changer. Is she perhaps Astronaut Girl grown/regenerated into a full Time Lord (Lady)?

    A nice theory from the AV Club thread - on why the overheard Amy dialogue about her beloved hero "dropping from the sky" seemed to be clumsily retrofitted into a declaration of love for Rory:
    The reason Amy shows as oscillating from pregnant to not-pregnant is that there are 2 Amy timestreams overlapping. One in which she does indeed love Rory, one where she loves the Doctor & is carrying his child. This is understandably confusing to the singular Rory who sees aspects of both alternating. Not sure I buy it, but interesting possibility.
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    And the Doctor has been getting mean for a while now.


    The Doctor's morality in regards to mass death is pretty flexible depending upon him liking or disliking the species. If the people torturing the space whale last series had been gold colored aliens instead of the last remaining Britons, he would have freed the space whale and left them to die.

    A good two parter. I hope they resolve the dangling plot threads by the end of this series because the last thing I want is for the show to go down the Lost road.

    And I feel bad for River now even though she grated on me last series.