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    "...yeah, I just heard. Ah well, there goes that bit of poetic symmetry! Let's see if this Ben McKenzie guy can do the job."

    I haven't watched it yet, but everybody said Cranston kicked ass in it (which isn't a surprise).

    "Eliza Dushku as Catwoman, though - that makes sense on so many levels (and I kinda wish she was doing the gig on Dark Knight Rises...)"

    I saw Eliza Dushku here a few weeks ago. I guess she was doing some ADR for Year One. she's cute in person.
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2011
    Bryan Cranston is a completely awesome choice for Gordon. He'd probably be my first choice to play him live-action, if Oldman was not available.

    I'd bet she is!
    • CommentAuthorSteadyUP
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2011
    It would hurt to not have Conroy or Hamill do DKR, but thanks to Batman Beyond, Conroy already got to do a kickass old Bruce and Hamill already got to do a kickass Joker death. If Return of the Joker goes down as the definitive finale to their respective renditions, I can live with that.
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    there is a trailer now:

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    Can you fix the link?
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    ech, sorry. I tried using the "link" button, but it's not working for me for some reason. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. :(
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2012
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    oh my god...magic!

    thanks oldhat. you'd think I'd figure out this internet thing already. :/
    • CommentAuthorflecky
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2012 edited
    Probably like a lot of people, I must have read DKR about twenty times since it came out - I don't know if the toxic weirdness of it can be properly "felt" animated, and maybe what I will always see in my memory and Imagination is something I'd rather not have messed with. I'd rather watch cartoons that pinch little bits from the comics and add them to something I've never seen before - a bit like when I watched Batman Beyond and some other stuff.

    I wanted the punk-boss in the trailer to have a horrible squeaky voice instead of the deep growling one that is always used for a badass with big muscles - I'm a bit tired of that voice-thing. Still, I'd probably watch it - if only to see those evil little exploding flying babies at the fairground; I love those buggers!
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2012
    urrreerrreeeerruuu....I don't know about that. That is definitely not the voice I heard when I was reading it.
      CommentAuthorAlan Tyson
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2012 edited
    The real test for this, I think, is gonna be how they handle the whacko Reagan analogue president. "You want a mint? I love mints. They should give you a medal. You want a medal, son? I love medals..."

    That said, the trailer looks wonderful. Robin moved perfectly, exactly how I imagined she would, scrappy yet acrobatic.
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    I'd rather watch cartoons that pinch little bits from the comics and add them too something I've never seen before

    Yes. Exactly. I'm not really that keen on seeing comics brought to life in cartoon form, especially when the animation is done in a different style. Year One is so beautiful, so gloriously crafted and drawn, so perfectly colored, that to see it turned into an animated feature that doesn't have enough blacks, enough weight, and is instead thin and light and anime influenced... well, it doesn't sit well with me.

    Dark Knight Returns, well, the longer time passes, the more I see Frank Miller's work when unbridled as being rather ridiculous. Year One at least he had some constraints due to continuity and having to script for someone else to draw. But DKR? It's just ... silly. I mean, the mutant leader with those TEETH and those NIPPLES?! I don't think it's aged well, and seeing it in animated form with people being forced to read that dialouge aloud really brings it all to the surface.

    Also, keep in mind that I am somewhat biased as I am firmly in the Conroy/Hamill camp.
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    Also in the conroy hamill camp, when it's 'batman: the animated series', and would rather they were doing more original 'BTAS' movies than the comic adaptations, for the comic adaptation's i'm in favour of different casts, and enjoyed 'the new frontier' and 'batman: year one', 'all star superman' was lacking but still enjoyable, only bad choice that sticks out was 'under the red hood's' joker being voiced by the guy that does bender i just kept laughing cause it sounded like bender.
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2012
    'BTAS' movies than the comic adaptations

    YESSSSS!!!!!!! If they want to trade in nostalgia - get to work!

    When I look at that trailer I don't get anything "new" from it. I think some people (I'm thinking of Kevin Smith for some reason) want to see their comics "faithfully" rendered into animated features because they feel it validates their favorite stories - "Frank Millar is better/cooler than Tim Burton - they should have just made this."

    Having said that: I hope this is a HUGE success so some silly executive forces all involved to animate Dark Knight Strikes Again - That'll learn 'em!
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2012
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2012 edited
    You know, I'm impressed with the animation of it and as far as the voice acting goes...well, let's just see, alright? I personally feel bad for any voice actor playing the Joker who isn't Mark Hamil because they ALWAYS get the "Hrumph...not Mark Hamil" criticism.

    My thing is that aside from some of the inner monolgues ("He's got your STYLE, Harvey...") I...really don't give a shit about this book. I agree with Rachael in that it hasn't aged well and personally I find Frank Miller to be...well, Frank Miller.

    I'll watch it to see what's been added, what's been changed and see if they manage to not make it so dated, but I don't really have high hopes for this.
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    @oldhat - you won't hear Joker until part 2.

    As far as the book aging well thing..I got the issues when they were coming out and loved them. After having to read at least parts of it every day while working on this though, all I can say it's a weird book. It reads like an 80's fever dream at times. Don't get me wrong, I still like it, but I find it to be an odd book now. For the movie we approached it as if it was a film from the 80's (like Robocop) because the material lends itself to that treatment.
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    Regarding voice acting (and putting aside my rabid love for Conroy and Hamill):

    I can't say that Bryan Cranston and Peter Weller aren't HUGE draws for me, but I really wish the voice acting casting calls for animated films would stop being influenced by Hollywood actors. It's ruining cartoons. Eliza Dushku might have been on the cover of Maxim countless times, but that doesn't mean she's got a sexy voice. Adrieanne Barbeau made a sultry and sexy Catwoman long after she'd have been able to pull off that catsuit. We don't care what they look like!!!

    It reads like an 80's fever dream at times.

    HA HA HA HA!
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    Batman's voice sounds a touch... aristocratic. Perhaps a conscious reaction not to Conroy, but to Bale, who LOWERED Batman's voice like an animal.

    Carrie Kelly never got her due and she's finally getting it here. That alone deserves props.

    On one level, the mutant leader is simply pure masculinity: potent, toxic, unapologetic. Of course he's ridiculous; professional wrestlers are ridiculous too... and stupid... but they're just about the only place young males can find raw masculinity embraced in the culture.

    I've always thought the mutants were a way of ranking Batman among the Marvel comics of the time. He's stronger than Batman, like the Hulk or the Thing. He's much more savage and violent, like the Punisher. He's much, much younger, like Spider-Man.

    And "mutants" equals "X-Men", the best-selling comic of the time. Edit to add: and the visor looks like Cyclops!
    • CommentAuthorflecky
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2012 edited

    I agree about the Hollywood stars and voice acting - I like it when you don't know who's doing the voice (and it's good), and your pleasantly surprised to find it's someone famous. But when it's, say, Keifer Sutherland or Liam Neeson being dubbed over a cartoon and all the time you know it's them, well, that's all it is; a famous star's voice over a cartoon.

    God, I've just destroyed 90% of all the dubbed anime and manga I've ever seen. That'll show me to never think again!

    EDIT TO ADD: 90% is a bit high, but I "think" I know what I mean.