Sat, 18 May 2013 16:15:41 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291459#Comment_291459 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291459#Comment_291459 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:05:48 -0700 Ariana FREAKANGELS: In which Luke, at the end of the day, is still Luke. And some other stuff happens.

G'morning, Whitechapel. I totally meant to sleep, and then I didn't actually do that. Instead I'm just drinking more red bull. Which is totally chemically* the same thing. FUCK YEAH SCIENCE.

How's everyone else doing?

*Don't bother arguing. Really. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291460#Comment_291460 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291460#Comment_291460 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:15:46 -0700 thud There is a terrible lot of good sense coming out of those FA's mouths in this episode.
Surely the question everybody has been wondering - Why don't they just fix it? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291461#Comment_291461 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291461#Comment_291461 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:21:34 -0700 Amhuinn
Then again, they destroyed England. Not only the people who hounded then, but innocent people too. They're responsible for the state of the country and how the normal people are struggling to survive. They might be looking after Whitechapel, but there's a big wide world beyond that. If they want to make up for what they did, they need to let aid in. Take down their defences.

Basically, it seems they have to chose between their own liberty and the wellbeing of the people they have harmed. Unless there's a third option? Which it's hinted there might be... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291462#Comment_291462 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291462#Comment_291462 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:29:58 -0700 Krecart http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291463#Comment_291463 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291463#Comment_291463 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:30:03 -0700 Beebo http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291464#Comment_291464 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291464#Comment_291464 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:30:03 -0700 HEY APATHY! http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291465#Comment_291465 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291465#Comment_291465 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:52:53 -0700 government spy http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291467#Comment_291467 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291467#Comment_291467 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 05:19:50 -0700 curb
So many things to like about this episode. The look in Alice's eyes on the first page, the seascape on the next. And then we get to see a smashed up helicopter.

I'm good. I don't go back to work for another ten days, the sun is shining, I'm considerably less overdrawn than I thought, and I'm going out for a barbeque shortly. Even with a colonoscopy in my near future, life is sweet. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291468#Comment_291468 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291468#Comment_291468 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 05:40:41 -0700 Kem http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291469#Comment_291469 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291469#Comment_291469 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 05:45:25 -0700 longtimelurker
Connor and Arkady are making me hot. Who needs Jack and Sirkka?

"This is why Mark is a bastard. He can make sense, even when the entire room hates him. "

Word. Even getting them to agree with him!

WAITAMINUTE! Mark just dropped that they fucked up Britain in casual conversation and Alice doesn't have a reaction?! Or maybe her delayed reaction is next week's big twist... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291472#Comment_291472 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291472#Comment_291472 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:07:09 -0700 epp101
I think that's where it's heading. Now all of those interesting little details that turn that concept into a great story I'll leave in Warren's capable hands - that's why he's a creative genius and I'm just a beleagured civil servent . . . ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291474#Comment_291474 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291474#Comment_291474 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:20:53 -0700 warrenellis WAITAMINUTE! Mark just dropped that they fucked up Britain in casual conversation

Not EXACTLY what he said. Close. But if Alice has time to process that, then.... ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291478#Comment_291478 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291478#Comment_291478 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:36:22 -0700 wottabout http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291484#Comment_291484 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291484#Comment_291484 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:49:29 -0700 LBA http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291486#Comment_291486 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291486#Comment_291486 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:00:18 -0700 warrenellis I guess a lot of what the FreakAngels say doesn't make sense out of context anyway, so this might seem like more of the usual gibberish to Alice.

And the conversation's moving pretty fast, and her mind is on other things, as we'll see. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291494#Comment_291494 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291494#Comment_291494 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 07:46:29 -0700 Berserker
So yeah, they just dropped a bit of secret on her, but she's a little preoccupied with the news she's still to tell, and dealing with the fact that she desperately needs to kill Mark, but Mark can't be killed. Full plate. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291499#Comment_291499 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291499#Comment_291499 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:31:56 -0700 yperite Krecart 3 hours ago

Isn't the whole "sting them enough that they fuck off" plan what got them here in the first place?

My thoughts exactly. It didn't work the first time, did it? Killed a bunch of innocents and fractured reality. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291502#Comment_291502 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291502#Comment_291502 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:38:28 -0700 marya I almost don't want to say anything, for fear that I am right. But suddenly there is a possible way to get KK the spandex she seems to always have wanted. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291507#Comment_291507 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291507#Comment_291507 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:34:55 -0700 draxxx http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291510#Comment_291510 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291510#Comment_291510 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:04:36 -0700 scs
Which, by the way, I mean as a compliment. Too damn many writers try to nail down each piece of backstory and in the end wind up destroying the magic. Better we be left to wonder about this-n-that than have no further interest in the world. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291531#Comment_291531 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291531#Comment_291531 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:08:41 -0700 ScottBieser http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291551#Comment_291551 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291551#Comment_291551 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:04:50 -0700 John Skylar
I'm going to have to sit back and process that page more. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291555#Comment_291555 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291555#Comment_291555 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:43:20 -0700 Purple Wyrm
Another great ep - good to see them considering options other than blowing things up. I like the idea of a gigantic, shielded tunnel running straight down the Thames with big flashy "SAFE ROUTE HERE!" signs all over it. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291559#Comment_291559 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291559#Comment_291559 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:10:30 -0700 taphead
So: Thank you. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291565#Comment_291565 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291565#Comment_291565 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:23:44 -0700 ElimGarak
For that matter, this brings to mind "Roadside Picnic", where a bunch of aliens (maybe aliens - it's not clear) landed in a place and screwed up reality in a similar way. Within a few years the area around the zones is full of scientists. And the zones are regularly being visited by hundreds of Stalkers to retrieve artifacts and do measurements. The game Stalker is roughly based on this story.

Also, Warren, I would also like to thank you for an awesome story. It is getting to be more interesting with each episode! Every week I can't wait for a the new one, and reread the previous week several times. :-) ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291574#Comment_291574 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291574#Comment_291574 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:01:18 -0700 rickiep00h
Which is, I think, a nice way to describe the series as a whole, since it's The Story of What Happened Next and all. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291575#Comment_291575 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291575#Comment_291575 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:17:06 -0700 thud
Page 2 is very cool, but it would be an opportunity to actually show the temporal displacements and distortions.
What we see is the distant aircraft carrier and the aurora-like curtains of light on some windswept cliff.
At last, we get a view of the outside world- so is THAT the time-effect?
It looks like nothing.
Where are the optical bulges and mirages, so that the aircraft carrier is there, then it isn't- ?
Like heat waves in the desert that break images up into bands that are sometimes magnified, sometimes layered in with other images from many miles away.
In this case maybe some of that, but also bands of yesterday and tomorrow.
That would be something that no pilot would fly into willingly.
This would not be VFR (visual flight rules) conditions. You couldn't trust your eyes.
More like IFR (instrument flight rules), very cautiously, and then flying blind- because the instruments would not work.

This one page illustration could be a real slammer! ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291605#Comment_291605 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291605#Comment_291605 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 07:01:50 -0700 longtimelurker
There was an interview (forgive me but I don't have the link) with LORD OF THE RINGS director Peter Jackson where he said he had just finished his beautiful set work and was ready to start filming the movie, expecting to do a lot of wide shots and blow the audience away with stunning visuals.

Then he started filming. And he discovered the acting abilities of his cast (especially two of the leads, Elijah Wood and Ian McKellan) and how they could convey worlds of emotion without saying a word, in their faces alone. And his original plan went right out the window, because what he had now was even better.

FREAKANGELS is like that. Paul could blow us away with page after page of gorgeous set pieces, and what we would have would still be a magnificent-looking piece of artwork. But what he can do with faces is most impressive of all. Those four panels where Mark is persuading the others. He's charming AND disgusting, or maybe he's disgusting BECAUSE he's charming. We've never seen anything like it before (or at least I haven't)

Now the issues I have. You have a difference of opinion on how you would write and draw the time displacements. Fine. But that's all it is: a difference of taste. To me, it's like saying the Sistine Chapel would be better if the brain around God had more special effects, but whatever. Anyway, here's a clue: the way Warren has written it they're supposed to be invisible.

No pilot would fly into a danger zone willingly. I'm sorry, that's just not accurate. Military pilots obey orders and risk their lives for search-and-rescue operations all the time. And to discover what Britain looks like now, and as an opportunity to redevelop the land and resources that are there? Americans would be all over that, especially in a destroyed economy.

It doesn't have optical bulges and mirages, or bands of yesterday and tomorrow. Exactly what is that supposed to look like? A photograph of a bush taken on Monday is going to look a lot like it does on Tuesday, unless a few leaves fall off. You could be standing on a zone of Tuesday and be looking at a zone of Monday and you wouldn't know, unless you bounced a ball into it. Here's the problem: the ball won't be able to tell you what it saw along the way. Only people can do that. Only people would be able to bring other people back. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291609#Comment_291609 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291609#Comment_291609 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 07:35:18 -0700 warrenellis Where are the optical bulges and mirages, so that the aircraft carrier is there, then it isn't- ?


1) that would be a motion picture

2) clarity of storytelling requires that we see the ship ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291618#Comment_291618 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291618#Comment_291618 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:28:39 -0700 davidbateman http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291619#Comment_291619 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291619#Comment_291619 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:28:52 -0700 thud Normally I don't much get involved in trying to suggest there might be something other than what was done.
I doubt any of the work on this story was done with a haphazard attitude.
But you can't possibly think of everything, and this is feedback.
After all the mention and obvious effect of what the FA's did to Britain showing it seems really important.
Sorry, but I just had to bring it up. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291634#Comment_291634 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291634#Comment_291634 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:10:29 -0700 Ariana But you can't possibly think of everything, and this is feedback.I mean, frankly, I had much the same feeling the first time I went to the Grand Canyon -- it's not really that fucking big compared to, like, the ocean or something. I could see across it pretty easily. It was not, as I'd imagined from books when I was like 6, a gaping chasm of forever. If I'd been on the internet as an 8-year-old, I probably would have whined that my critical eye noticed it really could be more massive, and there didn't appear to be a single monster at the bottom of it. Turns out it's only precisely as deep as somewhere between 6-to-17 million years which, surprisingly, is not forever.

The gentle reminder here, dear readers (nb: not artist, writer, or editor), is that sometimes we imagine things a certain way, and when they turn out to look different our knee-jerk reaction is to say "that can't be right, fix it." As we're getting to the end of a story and some more answers are going to come up, I expect to see this feeling a couple more times. Do try to remember you're not a 8-year-old visiting a national park, yeah? You should be a grown up that can adapt your imagination to the picture in front of you and say "well, it's not what I thought it would be, but maybe there's a reason for that, since it's someone else's story." ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291640#Comment_291640 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291640#Comment_291640 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:29:15 -0700 thud I didn't do this for personal reasons, but for the story.
And for the record, I flew in Vietnam, have had a degree in Art for more than 30 years and a pilot's license for longer than that. I specialize in special effects, 3d imaging, and build my own optics and telescopes. I know whereof I speak ! ! ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291641#Comment_291641 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291641#Comment_291641 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:34:29 -0700 FreddySez
First post from a recently de-lurked shadow man. (I've added an "introduce yourself" entry.)

The question that's brought me out into the light: If Mark's explanation makes even a little bit of sense under the present circumstances, how much more sense would it have made -- how much more warmly would he have been received -- before everything we've seen? Pre-Alice, pre-mudlarks, pre-psychodrones?

It's true Mark had earned the group's mistrust before our story even began. But if he really believes keeping outsiders out is in the entire clan's interest, he could simply have walked back into Whitechapel and laid out his story. He'd be taking a chance, but not as great a chance as he ended up taking. What was Mark's purpose in attempting preemptive, fratricidal war instead? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291643#Comment_291643 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291643#Comment_291643 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:46:09 -0700 warrenellis What was Mark's purpose in attempting preemptive, fratricidal war instead?

As stated: it made sense, in his mind, for him to infiltrate in pursuit of ensuring that everyone agreed with him.

Or, put another way, paranoids find a way to fuck things up for themselves even when they're right. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291644#Comment_291644 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291644#Comment_291644 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:48:38 -0700 warrenellis 2 frames would be enough to do that easily, or as in a mirage we see portions of images in rolling waves, with very interesting textures blending between the images. The ship is in one wave and not in the next- then in the next. Also Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow would be simply lighter or darker or different colored depending on the time of day or night in absolute terms.

Obviously, I disagreed about what the important information in the panel was! ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291681#Comment_291681 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291681#Comment_291681 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:13:47 -0700 dddrum everyone!!

With that said, I haveta say I know what thud meant. I too was looking forward to Paul's visual representation of the temporal tempest "out there," and after all the marvelous psychedelia that we've seen going on inside the FreakAngels' crania, I figured it would be pretty effin' crazy. So my first reaction to page 2 was a nonplussed "huh?" And, while Ariana's Grand Canyon story and longtime lurker's Rings tale both made perfect sense intellectually, that freaky stoner inside of me wanted the trip-thru-the-monolith instead of the Louis-XIV-hotel-room-with-Keir-Dullea-gumming-spinach-souffle (if I might throw in a third reference).

Then I read Warren's last comment about what is important in the panel. And I looked at Page 2 with new eyes. Foreground: Mark, looking rather gobsmacked. Middleground: Things ...mysterious, diaphanous (but still very dark looking) things, going on. And then, back toward the horizon: an American warship. The cavalry? Or does Mark register only, Outsiders. Looking for a way IN. Now consider how long it might have taken Warren to convey that to us, had he instructed Paul to gild the lily.

So, I say "well played, gentlemen."

Of course, I am still expecting a heaping scoop of eye candy before we ring the curtain down. 'Kay? ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291697#Comment_291697 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291697#Comment_291697 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 00:04:32 -0700 SoftSpot And isn't that what this medium is supposed to do too: besides telling a story trigger peoples fantasy? If all effects are arranged and laid out in front of you there's no need for your own fantasy anymore. And omitting the use of that would make the result a lot poorer. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291699#Comment_291699 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291699#Comment_291699 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 00:38:26 -0700 arvandor
Mark is an evil sod. Damn I like him. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291717#Comment_291717 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291717#Comment_291717 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 05:41:36 -0700 thud If you see it- just a little bit- that's enough.

If we all steered to the same star
it would be so boring ! ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291772#Comment_291772 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291772#Comment_291772 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 15:18:40 -0700 scs http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291789#Comment_291789 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291789#Comment_291789 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 17:50:43 -0700 warrenellis http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291851#Comment_291851 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291851#Comment_291851 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:46:01 -0700 razrangel

Paul, marvelous, amazing work. MMmmh bravo. Just. Wow. *grin* ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291858#Comment_291858 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291858#Comment_291858 Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:55:19 -0700 Jack the Rapper
Great hepisode, we see more of Mark (who also spilled the beans) and we see also that FA are coming to terms with reality.
And Arkady and Connor are becoming an item! Lovely! ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291953#Comment_291953 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291953#Comment_291953 Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:24:12 -0700 Don Garvey
For 15 years I've tried to get her to read comics (and Asimov) and for 15 years she's ignored me completely. She's something of a web designer and I pointed her to freakangels.com to show her what "a webcomic site done right" looks like.

A day later the laundry isn't done, the children are filthy, the dog is hungry (we don't have a dog) and there's some smell coming from under the sink. And there she is, head on hands, nose three inches from her iMac, reading Freakangels. And she talks about it. She has angst about the story and the characters. "How can it be done soon?", she says. "What's next?" she asks. "Where do we get the published versions so I can put them up on the shelf?"

That's some comics, boy. ]]> http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291977#Comment_291977 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9787&Focus=291977#Comment_291977 Tue, 26 Apr 2011 08:56:53 -0700 staticgirl Friday....

It was worth the wait though! ]]>