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    • CommentAuthorDC
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2011
    @Paladine - I think I'm more and more convinced of that theory.
    @SBarrett -
    I think Jon possesses more Stark blood than Targaryen which would explain his warg porwers more than anything. The Starks descend directly from the First People so their blood could be strong than Targaryen weak blood from their constant incestuous relationships.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2011

    Considering that theory, which we agree on, I wonder how they're going to translate that to the show since all of the clues to that theory are in Ned's head, which, since it's TV, we don't really have access too. A friend of mine thinks that the reveal of his parentage will come from
    Howland Reed's two children, the two who come to take Bran north of the Wall
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    @DPaladine, all those good arguments for the theory about Jon are pretty much irrelevant to the theory about Rhaegar and Lyanna - that is, the first theory is equally likely to be true regardless of the outcome on the second theory, which is on slightly shakier metanarrative ground.

    @SBarrett in the prequel books there are Tagaryens with dark hair on account of a Dornish mother. I imagine that sort of thing averages out eventually due to the inbreeding, but we know an immediate relative can do that.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2011
    A friend of mine just gave an interesting theory to me today regarding Tyrion.

    While I don't remember it, I really need to reread the series, Cersei was, at one point, going to be betrothed to Rhaegar. Aerys and the court came to Casterly Rock and the believed intent was to announce the betrothal but the king and his court abruptly left after there was a fight between Aerys and Tywin (this was before Aerys got all immolation happy) which coincided with Tywin stepping down as Hand. Several months later Tyrion is born and his mother dies in child birth. My friend's theory is that either Aerys, being a selfish king, raped Tywin's wife or Rhaegar, starting his seducing history, shtups Tywin's wife.
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2011 edited
    Renthing: I don't know how they'll do it in the series, possibly by just coming out and saying it in Season 6 or whenever.

    As to the second theory
    I almost posted to that effect, since "the Dragon has three heads". I wonder if Tyrion could be a Targaryen... might be, but I'm far less convinced of that one, up till now it's just fun speculating for me. But I do hope Tyrion gets to ride a dragon, even as a Lannister *g*
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2011

    I think he is. And, who knows
    maybe Jon get's Drogon because of his black hair, Tyrion Visyerion for his green eye, and Dany get's Rhaegon for her white hair.
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    So, a question - If I pick up the first book, will it spoil the second series for me, or does it end up where the TV show finishes it's first series? It's the sort of thing where I'd rather watch the programme first is all.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2011

    My wife just finished rereading the series in preparation for the next book coming out next week. She was rereading the first book and found it boring because the show mirrored it very well. Reading the book will give you some of the internal motivations and thoughts of the characters during the scenes, but the show does have some additional scenes they did just for HBO.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2011
    Here's who they got to play Brienne of Tarth and I think they got it right. She's too pretty (Brienne apparently fell out of the ugly tree, hit every ugly branch, and got stuck face-first in the ugly roots when she landed) but 6'3"? Yeah, I can see her trying to win a spot among the Rainbow Knights.
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2011 edited
    I'm now halfway through the Storm of Swords audiobook. I imagined Brienne as a blonde haired version of Aveline from Dragon Age 2, y'know


    Also - I don't think Clash of Kings should be two seasons. There is a lot that can be cut or shortened IMO.
    • CommentAuthorColby
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2011
    I think what the plan is for Clash of Kings to be a more lengthy singular season, something like 13 episodes instead of 10. While A Storm of Swords is most definitely getting splint into two seasons.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2011

    This first season was, from what I understand, an abbreviated season. The rest of the seasons will be full runs.
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    Love what I've seen of this... but I have not watched the show.
    When all the hub-bub began about the show I looked into it. The more I saw about it the more I knew I wanted to read the books. I'm a staunch "read it first" guy, and greatly prefer picturing characters in my head before seeing them on the screen.
    So I picked up the amazon package of the first 4 paperbacks and plowed through the first book before season 1 ended. I figured I could read it before hearing any spoilery stuff and then watch the show at my leisure when the inevitable dvd pack comes out later in the year. So far its been a success.
    Now here is my trouble. I'm 2/3rds the way through book 2 and loving every minute of it, but I'm not in a good place to talk to anyone about it. Everyone who knew about this series has already read up through book 4 and is eagerly awaiting book 5 coming out today. So I'm at least 2 books behind anyone who's read it and that makes spoiler free discussion difficult. I wont look at the spoiler boxes above... but its killing me... and i want to rush through the rest of the books to catch up with everyone.
    But that wasn't my intention. I wanted to take my time and catch up by say the end of this year and get book 5 "Dance" when it came out in paperback.
    My other worry is that it took GRRM 6 bloody years to get this most recent book out! Will it be another 5-6 years before #6 makes it to the shelves? If so I really dont want to rush it... According to wikipedia he is planning to wrap the whole shebang up with book 7 and how long will that one take? Will he even live that long? Any comments or slim glimmer of hope anyone can offer me will be greatly appreciated.
    Cripes. Now I'm paranoid that I'm sucked into this terrific narrative and the dude will up and croak on me before he finishes the damn thing... leaving us all without a "payoff" or worse a final book written by someone else.
    ... maybe I just worry too much.
    Anyway... If someone else is about the same spot in the books and would like to talk about them... just let me know.

    Here are some comments/predictions. (should be spoiler free for anyone that's watched the show or read through book 1)
    - Jon Snow. Sure to play a MAJOR role in the coming war with the Others. I see him leading The Black if not all of Westeros against the cold enemy. I like him, and I absolutely love the idea of the wall.
    - Arya. Another favorite. I'm sure she will play a roll somewhere down the road. I hope she reunites with her wolf. I'd love to see her as a Princess Mononoke type she wolf rider terrorizing her enemies from the back of her wolf....
    - Danreys. Can't get back to the 7 kingdoms soon enough. I just wish her triumphant return on the back of a dragon didn't seem like its still 6k pages off...
    - Bran. Convinced he will learn to open his third eye and will become some powerful wizard type (maybe even meet the Children of the forest) before we're done.
    - Cerci. I hope she gets gang-raped by Tyrion's Burned hand's and moon brothers... same goes for Joffrey. (sorry if that is too harsh... but they are fictional people... and those things tend to happen in that world).
    - The hound. Something is going to happen with him and Sansa... he will help her in some way... I just feel it.
    -Melisandre. The lady in red = Big Fng Trouble. For everyone. Including Stannis.
    Brienne of Tarth. Has hardly done anything and I already like her lots. Hope she plays a big roll down the road.

    Sorry for the long post. Happy viewing... and reading.
    (don't tell me if any of my predicitons are right or wrong please)
    • CommentAuthorsteevo
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2011 edited
    Damn it feels good to be a Lannister.

    Full of spoilers...and win.
      CommentAuthorJay Kay
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2011
    @steevo -- I don't know if the rapper being obviously very white with not so good a flow makes it funnier or not.

    Anyway, I watched the whole season maybe a week or so back--and I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Usually I'm not a fan of fantasy stories at all. To put it in persepective, one of my worst reading experiences was plowing through Lord of the Rings and I found that a harder challenge to swallow than Atlas Shrugged. Of course, watching it instead of reading it probably helped, but it does help prove my dad's theory on entertainment--anything becomes instantly better if you put tits, swearing, and lots of violent stabbing in it.

    Nah, but seriously, what I liked was the characters--all oddly likable (to watch, at least), and yet so thoroughly fucked-up. I'm really curious to see how it all goes down after this.

    I'm just sad that
    Drago and Lord Stark had to bite the dust.
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2011 edited
    Still working through book 3, and

    Goddamn you Frey(Fray? it's an audiobook) you petty old bitter bastard. Did you really have to kill Robb and sew Greywind's head on his shoulders? All because he wouldn't marry one of your ugly ass daughters? I hope Arya poisons everyone in the Twins! Speaking of Arya...she seems to go from the frying pan, to the fire, to the floor, stomped all over, dumped in a toliet, flushed down a sewer, eaten by a sewer croc, shat out again...etc etc I'm kind of disappointed her swordplay hasn't become more badass, with all that traveling she seems to be getting weaker :( There was some mention she may have been captured by the Freys, her last POV ended with her getting knocked out by The Hound's axe. I just want her to stab everyone in the world, is that so wrong?
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2011

    As far as asshole characters go, Lord Fray is definitely near the top of my list. I sincerely hope that GRRM eventually fucks him right off.

    Well, when you consider it, what with all of her travels when has she had a change to practice? And she's still a nine year-old girl, no matter that she has a sword and a few months of instructions.

    Anyone else done with A Dance with Dragons? All of my real life friends are slow and my wife and I have already discussed the book ad nausem.
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    @Magnus apparently my prayers of Christina Hendricks or Karen Gillan as Melisandre were not listened to.
    There's a ton of stuff in Clash of Kings that can be cut out. Literally NOTHING happens for like, 500 pages of that book. It's all political blah blah blah until the EPIC ending.

    Seriously the Freys can fuck right off. I nearly lost it at that part. I seriously could not believe it. Arya just keeps getting in worlds of shit.

    @Jay Kay Lord of the Rings was one of the worst reading experiences of my life. I know it's supposed to be soooooo good. And I'm supposed to respect it and love it. Those books can seriously go to hell. I've only made it to about page 120 in Fellowship. AND NOTHING HAS FUCKING HAPPENED. They're still in the damn Shire. Martin wipes the floor with Tolkein.
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2011
    Martin is definitely many serious steps above Tolkien as far as talent goes. But A Song of Ice and Fire also wouldn't exist without Lord of the Rings, Martin has said so himself.

    Credit where credit is due, I feel.
    Being a fan of both, I have a deep respect for both authors. I prefer Martin's work overall though.