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    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2012
     (9805.1)
    The little smile Arya got on her face at the end of the episode, looking at her handiwork, was a thing of beauty.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2012
     (9805.2)
    So, unless I heard wrong the Ironborn who offered to row Theon out to the Sea Bitch introduced himself as Dagmer. If that's supposed to be Cleftjaw I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping to see some cool practical make-up effects for his scars.
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      CommentAuthoroddbill
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2012
     (9805.3)
    Once Winter Has Come, Arya should have the House Stark words officially changed to "Anyone Can Be Killed."
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    @oddbill
    -hrm. That would be interesting.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2012
     (9805.5)
    @oddbill

    That's such a great scene.
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    Just finished tonights episode. Alfie Allen plays one hell of a Theon Turncloak.
  3.  (9805.7)
    Great episode with a pretty lame (and non-canon) finale.

    Also, where was
    the rape of Lollys?
    Please note that I'm not asking out of a sick desire to see it, but as I remember it is fairly relevant to the later development of the story.

    Very glad that Ygritte seems pretty cool, (and very pretty.) You know nothing Jon Snow.
    • CommentAuthorMercer Finn
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2012 edited
     (9805.8)
    Finally caught up with Game of Thrones, and enjoying it like crazy. I read the first book in conjunction with the first season, and noticed that (Martin having worked in TV) it was very televisual to begin with. Thus comparing it to the TV show became all about whether the writers /directors could improve on the original (which has problems, inevitably perhaps, being so long). My conclusion was that the TV show did some bits better (Robert and Cercei), and some bits worse (Lysa Arryn), than the book, so they end up being on a par. And since the TV show takes less time to consume, I decided to read other things.

    Can't help wondering, however... how you guys think Game of Thrones Season 2 compares with A Clash of Kings. Was I wrong in my estimation? Is the book actually significantly better than the series?
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      CommentAuthorJ.Brennan
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2012
     (9805.9)
    I have my fingers crossed for the non-canon Dany stuff. For most of CoK she is sitting in the red waste dying, or waiting in the dead city. If the dragon stuff can get halfway to the non-canon Arya/Tywin scenes then I'll be ok. Ygritte was awesome.

    @Magnus: There was a quick shot of a large woman having her clothes ripped off and being pulled down, nothing as obvious or brutal as the High Septon's arm.
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2012
     (9805.10)
    Re: the non-cannon ending:

    perhaps it was the warlocks who took them, and so she has Drogon flambe the place, allowing them to keep her destroying the House of the Undying in the television series?
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    @ RenThing - But why not just let that happen the way Martin wrote it? Is it a time constraint thing, do you suppose?
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      CommentAuthoroddbill
    • CommentTimeMay 7th 2012
     (9805.12)
    No, I think it is to give her a stronger reason to go into the Houses of the Undying. In the book, she just kind of goes because she's invited. In the book, there isn't much driving her through Qarth, she's just kind of let in, macked on by Xaro Xhoan Daxos, and invited around to lots of weird things. I actually think the way they've changed the things that drive her from person to person in Qarth to be much better in the show. She's learning how to maneuver for power among much stronger players, with no Khal Drogo to hide behind. She's trying out how to play for strength from a position of weakness.
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    Very good points. It annoys me that deviations from the books are bothering me so much, I didn't think I was that guy...
    • CommentAuthorRenThing
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2012
     (9805.14)
    Have to agree with bill on this one. This makes a bit more sense in the context of the show. Now I'm wondering when we're going to see her in Astapoor. Hopefully she doesn't hang out in Qarth much longer than two or three more episodes.
  6.  (9805.15)
    I quite enjoy the episode analyses over at the AV Club.

    The newbie reviews (spoiler free, for people who haven't read the books) are here.

    The expert reviews (which DO contain spoilers) are here.
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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2012 edited
     (9805.16)
    @Magnusisasillyname, it bothers me too. I'm sorry, but I feel like people don't need to be hit over the head with JOFFREY IS EVIL JOFFREY IS EVIL JOFFREY IS EVIL any more than they already are, and whyyyyyy do they need to give her a stronger reason to go through the houses of the undying? I dunno, I feel like her original reason for
    killing ERRYBODY was fine
    and didn't need some weird IN CASE YOU THINK THIS ISN'T VALID WE HAVE CHANGED THE PLOT SO IT NOW IS alteration.

    Edited because I'm an ass and there were spoilers.
  7.  (9805.17)
    ...but I feel like people don't need to be hit over the head with JOFFREY IS EVIL JOFFREY IS EVIL JOFFREY IS EVIL any more than they already are...

    In HBO's defence, they are going to be (spoilers hidden for people that haven't read all of the books)
    brutally murdering a young child on screen
    and they probably want to make him as evil as possible so that there isn't too much backlash.
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      CommentAuthorMagnulus
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2012 edited
     (9805.18)
    "I dunno, I feel like her original reason for killing ERRYBODY was fine"

    Oh, so that's what happens.. Staying out of this thread from now on.
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      CommentAuthoroddbill
    • CommentTimeMay 8th 2012
     (9805.19)
    Yeah, every Game of Thrones thread is a minefield. I'm almost at the end of the 4th book now, desperately reading to stay ahead of the thpoilerth!

    It's funny, as the act of reading the books to keep from being spoiled in discussions about the show actually does spoil me on the show, but somehow it doesn't feel that way.

    I cannot untangle that knot.
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      CommentAuthordorkmuffin
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2012
     (9805.20)
    Fuck, fuck fuck fuck. Apologies for THPOILERTH! I blame the wine.