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London Zoo: [Closed] Bin Laden Killed in Pakistan

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    This is one death I am celebrating and I don't believe it's symbolic in any way.

    I don't, however, think of it as having anything to do with war. I find it far more analogous to something like the Manson Family killings. Bin Laden was a crazed leader of a group of fanatical followers. He planned a mass murder and they carried it out. Finally, we got him. We got the bad guy.

    Now, can we forget the war shit and resume our lives?
  2.  (9829.42)
    Robin and Lion, I agree. So...

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      CommentAuthoroddbill
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2011
     (9829.43)
    I have no problem celebrating a death like this.

    My only regret is that he was so long in the killing.

    There is no scenario in which the world was better with him alive in it. There are a few more that could go and may the gates of hell hit them in the ass on the way in.

    Most people, even bad people, don't deserve to have their deaths celebrated. But this one... I'm headed out for a beer right now.
  4.  (9829.44)
    I'm American, I "get it", but yeah, this is nothing more than symbolic. Just because it'd be nice if this meant something doesn't mean it actually means much of anything.

    Still, nice to get that bit of business finally taken care of.
  5.  (9829.45)
    I personally don't feel the need to celebrate the man's death, though I don't begrudge anyone who does. Celebrating the death of an enemy is a long-standing tradition of war. Granted, this is not a typical war, and the enemy did not fight by typical nor traditional means (nor would I, in the enemy's position).

    Bin Laden was the enemy, at least at some point in the past he was the relevant enemy. I think it's important to acknowledge the difference between the fact that having this man out of the picture is a good thing (even though retaliation of some sort is assured, but these are the same people who will retaliate with muder for the burning of a holy book), the death of Bin Laden will most likely have no impact on Al Qaeda's operations, or the tactics of the opposition in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    If any negative outcome will occur, most likely it would have happened anyways (having been a previously planned operation) just with the dedication to Bin Laden tacked on at the last minute. I don't see a terrorist attack being orchestrated purely for revenge on the death of their former leader. Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see those ideas used in a political forum to make some sort of armchair general comments against the president from his detractors.

    In general, I think it was the correct move not to apprehend Bin Laden, we already do not have a clear concept of what to do with the Guantanamo Bay prisoners, throwing Bin Laden in there would have turned an already confusing situation into a political disaster. At the end if the day, it is important to remember that this is war, and I think our Commander in Chief made the right call, and that he's finally starting to act like a Commander in Chief.
  6.  (9829.46)
    The thing is, that as much as it's only a 'symbolic' victory for America, it's also a pretty big symbolic defeat for Al-Qaeda.

    And 'if you kill American citizens, we will take our time, find out where you live, and come into your home at the crack of dawn and kill you ' is a much scarier message than 'if you kill American citizens, we will spend hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of American, Afghani, and Iraqi lives, and bomb the shit out of two countries and still not get you.'
  7.  (9829.47)
    How to take care of the national debt and Amercia's bloodlust in three simple steps:

    Step 1) Inject Silicone into bin-laden's freshly dead corpse to make him like one of those "body alive" monsters.
    Step 2) Tour his body around the country with headlining musical guest Kid Rock singing the National Anthem over and over for 4 hours.
    Step 3) Charge $20 to throw an apple pie at Osama's corpse.

    4 months tops, debt gone.

    tomas
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2011 edited
     (9829.48)
    [Edit: Yeah. OVERREACTION. But in my defence I've had more than a few "fuck you, freedom-hater" comments on twitter and have been left a little edgy, even while attempting to read the tone in what people say.]

    Okay, I'm going to clarify because I'm getting a certain impression here after my words and the clip of "sympathy for the devil" actually did a good job of annoying me despite it being a joke.

    I do NOT have a problem with him dying and understand that there was no realistic outcome where he would be alive. I do NOT have a problem with people other than myself celebrating his death. I just PERSONALLY can't find it in myself to celebrate a death. That is just ME. You are welcome to feel different about it and I am not going to attempt to change your mind on it because that's your personal feeling on it.

    as the saying goes, "While I disagree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it".
  9.  (9829.49)
    @oldhat

    Hope you didn't get that impression from me. You stated your opinion, I stated mine, I have no arguement with what you believe, I don't think there's anything wrong with valuing life in that fashion, I don't think anyone's even slightly suggesting that you are wrong or that your opinion is invalid. It's definitely a touchy subject with many possible feelings to come out strong on either side. If it needs saying, I respect your beliefs and your opinions, and hope no one is crude enough to make you feel uncomfortable stating them.
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      CommentAuthoroldhat
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2011 edited
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    Gov, oh god, no. I actually really agreed with what you had to say and you worded it better than I ever could. I just wanted to clear the air that I wasn't thinking anyone was being a jerk for celebrating his death which might lead them to think that I was a jerk for thinking different and feeling superior because of it.
  11.  (9829.51)
    It's a tricky time to say anything that can be even remotely construed as sympathy for Bin Laden (and I completely get that you're not actually expressing any sympathy).

    It's perfectly reasonable to consider dancing in the streets over a human life ending being kind of crass, but for this person in particular people are going to take offence at the statement, no matter it's intention, or for whom it's meant to apply. Once the emotions run down a bit people will be more reasonable about it. Or at least, most people will. Hopefully. There will likely be a large segment of the American population who will enshrine 5/1/2011 to the same degree that 9/11/2001 has been. Most people HERE will be more reasonable about it, let's say.
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      CommentAuthorjohnjones
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2011
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    This made me smile...

  13.  (9829.53)
    What would happen if Osama rose from the dead in three days? Isn't the anti-Christ supposed to be showing up? Then again it might just be a zombie outbreak.
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      CommentAuthorrazrangel
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2011 edited
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    Gov Spy said most of what I would have wanted to say.

    Gut reaction was a lot snarkier and I owe my brother (airborne infantry, in Afghanistan in 08 - very nasty time) an apology. about 15 minutes after I heard the news on the radio he texted me the news. He was a little more on the "Go America!" side but not obnoxious, at least not to me. But I still couldn't resist writing "Ten years well spent."

    Ugh. I just deleted a big paragraph of criticism and my feelings on it taking so long. I think shit was mismanaged, and everyone suffered because of it. Moving on.

    I had to think over the fact of the matter. Someone on "our side" pulled the trigger in our name to kill a man. I don't take this lightly. No one should. I don't think there is any right to vengeance. I don't believe capital punishment is just. But I was considering this in terms of St Thomas Aquinas's principles of double effect and just war. And while I'm thinking double effect just doesn't work here, just war does and this was a necessary act within the context of the war.

    I think people have a right to be relieved that this man-who-was-a-symbol is gone. Symbols have power. And this one called himself our enemy and did what he could to encourage anyone who heard him to kill us - and practically everyone else around the world who didn't believe as they did. Perhaps it will be worse if he becomes considered a martyr. Perhaps without his leadership others will not feel so emboldened and/or righteous enough to carry out such massive attacks. Hard to say.

    It's a hard thing to realize as an adult, that the right thing to do and the necessary thing to do are not always the same thing. This one time they were.
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    doesn't bother me at all, had to be done. big boys' rules and he knew the score when he turned on uncle sam. world's better off without him, and now we have a few weeks of obnoxious post-911 faux patriotism to look forward to.

    yippee
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      CommentAuthorJon Wake
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2011
     (9829.56)
    I'm really looking forward to how Fox plays this as a victory for Bush. Don't you know the military victories take ten years to reach Main Street?
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      CommentAuthorFoamhead
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2011
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    (In an odd display of synchronicity with 9/11, I woke-up just as this was breaking on the news channels.)

    Now they're reporting he was buried at sea? Polite way of saying he was dropped from 30000 feet out of the back of a Hercules cargo plane, mid-Atlantic/Pacific?
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    @Fookwit,
    Polite way of saying he was thrown in a ditch and pissed on by the entire United States Armed Forces and the Joint Chiefs Of Staff.
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      CommentAuthorFoamhead
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2011
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      CommentAuthorHEY APATHY!
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2011 edited
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    @ Alan- it took me a few hours but I put some spagetti sauce and cheese on bread and toasted it, I think we could all use a bit of pizza these days

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