Whitechapel - Thor (the movie) [spoilers] Sun, 19 May 2013 09:32:58 -0700 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.4 & Feed Publisher Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293051#Comment_293051 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293051#Comment_293051 Tue, 03 May 2011 17:23:10 -0700 Mister Andersen
I think they could and should have made better use of language than they did. A review by someone largely unfamiliar with the comic suggested that since they'd tap Branagh to direct, the Asgard scenes should have come across as more Shakespearean, which amused me given the comics have them generally speaking in a much more formal manner/meter. It's a good idea, but I can see how people might have trouble with the idea.

In which case there should have been a line/exposition that the Asgardians either are fluent in all languages or that it's a property of Bifrost that like the TARDIS it gives you the gift of speaking and understanding the language of where it takes you. A scene with the exiled Thor conversing in fluent spanish with someone, for instance.

My only other complaint is that the exile was FAR too brief. Falling for Jane and learning his Important Life Lesson takes only a couple of days, and that just isn't satisfying. There really needed to be a sense of weightiness to the exile, of the mighty and arrogant thunderer struggling to learn sorely needed humility and earning the love of the brilliant mortal into whose orbit he has been thrust. Similarly, Jane felt underutilised as a character.

That aside, I liked the way they played Loki here. He's so often the cackling villain that understatement suits him well, as does that sense of loss and rage as his identity is destroyed and he struggles to rebuild it in the only manner he knows how. I was expecting him to embrace his lost ice giant herritage, but the fact he didn't and instead sort to ground himself in the world he'd grown up in was a nice twist.

I'm a little thrown by the post credit sequence. Is Skaarsgard's character meant to be familiar to us? I mean, he clearly seems to be referring to Bruce, but why is it him that Fury shows what I presume to be the Cosmic Cube to, and why does it sound like he's been a mole in Jane's group?

Also, nice Hawkeye cameo. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293063#Comment_293063 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293063#Comment_293063 Tue, 03 May 2011 17:53:38 -0700 oldhat (he's pretty much the only reason I want to watch the film. Have had a crush on him since Ichi the Killer) ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293067#Comment_293067 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293067#Comment_293067 Tue, 03 May 2011 18:31:38 -0700 Jamie Heron
As to the ending, that character was being possessed by Loki, which means he is essentially a mole in Janes group (they find out that Thor is returning, Loki freaks out and tries to knock the Hulk his way??) but I think the only reason they mentioned Banner earlier on was so you get an idea for how serious SHIELD is if you haven't seen any of the other movies. And suddenly I get where you're going with the mole thing, maybe Fury just contacted him because Fury knew he'd been around crazy shit by now, and trusted him? Gah, now I'm confused, thanks!

@oldhat: Well he's there, and he fights, and uh, that's about it. Him, Volstag and the other one? And Lady Sif. They don't do much except look pretty and fight, and get saved by Thor. THe lot of them seemed more like comic relief to be honest. That or cannon fodder. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293076#Comment_293076 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293076#Comment_293076 Tue, 03 May 2011 19:36:47 -0700 Mister Andersen Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293094#Comment_293094 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293094#Comment_293094 Tue, 03 May 2011 22:17:41 -0700 Jamie Heron
WHo am I kidding? I loved the movie a lot, but I guess I'm just bitter that Idris Elba didn't get more screentime... ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293215#Comment_293215 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293215#Comment_293215 Wed, 04 May 2011 13:33:07 -0700 TAL Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293230#Comment_293230 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293230#Comment_293230 Wed, 04 May 2011 14:41:40 -0700 Ninewhilenine83
/rant over. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293234#Comment_293234 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293234#Comment_293234 Wed, 04 May 2011 14:51:01 -0700 Mercer Finn liked it. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293330#Comment_293330 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293330#Comment_293330 Thu, 05 May 2011 06:12:14 -0700 Gordon Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293333#Comment_293333 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293333#Comment_293333 Thu, 05 May 2011 07:10:03 -0700 Ryan C Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293347#Comment_293347 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293347#Comment_293347 Thu, 05 May 2011 08:47:24 -0700 Pablo
I have a 5 year old nephew who is crazy for Marvel. He sat through Iron Man 1 & 2(even saying he felt Iron Man 1 was better) just fine but I previewed them in the theater before sitting with him at home. This would be a hard question for adults but is there any reason, besides violence and language, that is is PG-13? Basically, is there any truly horrific monsters that could cause nightmares? He can handle robots fighting but truly disgusting monsters could keep him up at night. Thanks for your he

Well, the most common monsters are the frost giants. To give you a bit of an idea of how they look, here's Colm Feore as their king:



They don't all look exactly like that, I think the rest are a bit softer in appearance. But he's the one who appears the most, and he does it a lot. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293353#Comment_293353 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293353#Comment_293353 Thu, 05 May 2011 09:44:51 -0700 Ryan C Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293629#Comment_293629 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293629#Comment_293629 Sat, 07 May 2011 16:15:17 -0700 Cat Vincent
Trouble is, I saw Hanna straight after, which blew it away. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293631#Comment_293631 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293631#Comment_293631 Sat, 07 May 2011 16:29:37 -0700 luckycreature I have a full review on my blog blog if anyone cares to read more. Cant wait for the Avengers. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293741#Comment_293741 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293741#Comment_293741 Sun, 08 May 2011 20:35:59 -0700 tcatsninfan
Having said that, I thought the movie was pretty darn good. Here's what I didn't like:

1) I agree with previous commenters in this thread: his exile should've lasted longer. The extremely brief bonding moment with Skaarsgard's character in the bar also could've used some work.
2) There was a sense of "weightiness" to the fighting and weapons, but I never felt like anyone was ever really getting beat up due to a lack of damaged clothing/makeup. Also, the Thor/Loki fight toward the end was pretty weak...they had to cut the camera to make the action go by quicker like in Carradine's Kung Fu TV show. They were trying to fight in those crazy bulky costumes and I don't think it worked.
3) I also agree that we could've seen more of Loki's trickster side. I know his personality from the comics, but someone unfamiliar with the comics wouldn't have a good idea of that side of him.

Without saying a bunch of "me too!" stuff that other people have already mentioned, these are some things I liked:

1) There are some beautiful women in this movie and they never go out of their way to do that cliched "look at me do something sexy" thing. Natalie Portman, Kat Dennings, and Jaimie Alexander are all beautiful. Also, Rene Russo isn't in the movie much but she's still got it...I might rewatch The Thomas Crown Affair now...
2) Even though Loki's trickster stuff wasn't showcased very much, I thought he was a very well-done character and Tom Hiddleston should be applauded.
3) Marvel is doing a good job tying the characters' movies together in preparation for The Avengers without it seeming like they're trying too hard. A government entity would've shown up to investigate the hammer anyway, so having it be SHIELD doesn't seem out of place.

Well, I won't drone on any more. I liked it...still could've been slightly better but it's much better than some of Marvel's other offerings like X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Iron Man II. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293750#Comment_293750 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293750#Comment_293750 Sun, 08 May 2011 21:12:53 -0700 Neila Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293821#Comment_293821 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293821#Comment_293821 Mon, 09 May 2011 09:08:34 -0700 Fauxhammer Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293822#Comment_293822 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293822#Comment_293822 Mon, 09 May 2011 09:12:57 -0700 jackcrowder Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293825#Comment_293825 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293825#Comment_293825 Mon, 09 May 2011 09:25:24 -0700 COOP Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293886#Comment_293886 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293886#Comment_293886 Mon, 09 May 2011 13:59:21 -0700 Vaehling Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293892#Comment_293892 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293892#Comment_293892 Mon, 09 May 2011 14:30:48 -0700 twentythoughts
Thor being so all-over charming is a bit of a problem, though. As has been mentioned here, nothing feels weighty. None of the conflicts, none of the climactic fights. It's all just going through the motions. Thor's a likeable guy all the way through, and it doesn't feel like he learns a lesson. One moment he's a likeable rowdy guy who's a little too self-confident and believes in fighting before diplomacy, then he discovers he can't take his hammer and there's a pretty girl there, and all of a sudden he's learned his lesson. Okay. That was... too easy, too short, not in movie-time, but in in-the-movie time.

And Loki! While I like his character, his motivations and actions were actually surprising and well-done, and the actor who portrays him does it well, it feels like everyone over-hyped him as a trickster and a sneaky dude when it comes to actually... being sneaky. The end fight is the best example of this. Here he's about to fight his brother, who's pretty much the most powerful dude in Asgard, and all he can pull off is shooting at him with his spear-thing and then doing the old "oh please save me, ha ha tricked you" thing? Loki's centuries old, and he resorts to freaking clichés? Dude should be pulling off freaking ninja tricks, firing from the shadows and darting away, setting traps, convincing Thor that what he's doing is good, using everything he's got! But no. Brute-force fight and "lol I'm hanging off a cliff come get me plz".

And really, Thor SHOULD feel conflicted about letting Bifrost do its thing, if all it'll do is destroy the frost-giants' world. In some movies, the destruction of an evil and sneaky and out-and-out horrible race is generally treated as a good thing. Thor has absolutely no love for these people, and they're hardly presented as anything but evil. If Thor even showed a HINT of having to consider his options, even that would improve the anticlimactic final fight.

At least Loki seems to get into it a bit more in the after-the-credits gimme, manipulating things a little from behind the scenes. He didn't seem to be possessing Skarsgård as much as simply poking him in the direction he wanted him to go.

3D effects were okay, but not worth the extra cash. In the future, 3D speshul effect people, I'd recommend that you actually BLUR the backgrounds in close-up shots, since having sharp backgrounds behind sharp actors makes it look like the backgrounds are actually painted on a wall a few feet away. Even when outside. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293914#Comment_293914 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293914#Comment_293914 Mon, 09 May 2011 17:32:49 -0700 Comicbookbunny
Even tho Thor has has his own book for a long time the series had died and come back again with very few good writers. I've always liked him as a
secondary character in the avengers than reading him off on his own.

I'm curious how they are going to play him in the avengers movie since they are doing the run of Ultimate avengers and the running gag in that was him bragging about being a god and no one believing him.

For once they actually had a female character not be a damsel in distress the whole time! I wish they had written her better but at least she was helping him more than he helping her swooning all over the place...

Liked the little bit part with Hawkeye ;-)

unfortunately the theater i saw it in was WAY WAY dark on screen and we could not see any of the Ice Giant fights well At all. :p ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293918#Comment_293918 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293918#Comment_293918 Mon, 09 May 2011 19:04:29 -0700 Tristan Davis
1. Loki. Wonderfully acted, and motivation that actually makes him sympathetic.
2. Anything with Thor transposing Asgardian/Viking customs to the modern day. Especially him happily smashing his coffee mug and asking for another.
3. Hawkeye.

As much as I liked Natalie Portman's character, it's true that she was mostly just kind of there and not doing much, although she was consistently funny when required. Better than Cameron Diaz was in Green Hornet, another recent film where the female lead is just kind of around because there's supposed to be a female lead but the writers couldn't figure out enough to do with her. I think part of the problem in Thor was that there wasn't as much time to develop her, what with splitting back and forth between what's happening in Asgard to what's happening in New Mexico. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293920#Comment_293920 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293920#Comment_293920 Mon, 09 May 2011 19:14:03 -0700 DavidLejeune Thor being so all-over charming is a bit of a problem, though. As has been mentioned here, nothing feels weighty. None of the conflicts, none of the climactic fights. It's all just going through the motions. Thor's a likeable guy all the way through, and it doesn't feel like he learns a lesson. One moment he's a likeable rowdy guy who's a little too self-confident and believes in fighting before diplomacy, then he discovers he can't take his hammer and there's a pretty girl there, and all of a sudden he's learned his lesson. Okay. That was... too easy, too short, not in movie-time, but in in-the-movie time.People keep saying this, and it's like they missed the part where when Loki tells him that Odin is dead he places the blame squarely on Thor. I think the realization that his actions actually caused the death of one of his loved ones is reason enough for his new found humility and lack of abandon in battle.

And because nobody's mentioned it: Ray Stevenson's Volstagg further proves that Ray Stevenson needs to be in everything. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293921#Comment_293921 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293921#Comment_293921 Mon, 09 May 2011 19:23:17 -0700 kyle-latino

I wanted to this movie instead. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293927#Comment_293927 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293927#Comment_293927 Mon, 09 May 2011 19:59:39 -0700 scs
On the other hand, the pacing was uneven and the character and relationship developments were much, much too quick to be believable.

Heimdall fucking rocked. Damn near worth the price of the ticket just for him.

Non-spoiler about the end: what I'd envisioned was Dr. Foster being escorted into a lab by Agent Coulson. As they're walking along, he half-apologizes for taking all her stuff and says they brought her some help to reassemble it all. They're a guy working at the bench, and as she says "Hey, don't touch that" he turns around and it's Tony Stark. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293993#Comment_293993 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=293993#Comment_293993 Tue, 10 May 2011 05:01:24 -0700 Beamish Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294000#Comment_294000 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294000#Comment_294000 Tue, 10 May 2011 06:42:54 -0700 twentythoughts it's like they missed the part where when Loki tells him that Odin is dead he places the blame squarely on Thor. I think the realization that his actions actually caused the death of one of his loved ones is reason enough for his new found humility and lack of abandon in battle.

Point. Except that his Jesus moment happens AFTER he's told that Loki was just screwing around with him. Could be that's the reason why people keep forgetting about that thing, despite it possibly being a big part of why he's more humble. And you never really feel it in the movie, since you know it's a ruse. It's another one of those "makes sense in the script, less so in the movie" things, I think. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294019#Comment_294019 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294019#Comment_294019 Tue, 10 May 2011 09:55:13 -0700 Ben Gwalchmai
I'd say that, considering his directorial past, he did an alright job: enjoyable, frothy, funny and pacy - with already noted brilliant art-direction and smashing of mugs comedy - and he also managed to cram a lot of Thor history & Asgard exposition into a relatively short time.

Anyone living in London, UK & wishing to see it in 2D can do so at Cineworld West India Quay - I did, twas good as there were 4 of us in the cinema.

2D - brighter visuals and less customers making noise. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294075#Comment_294075 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294075#Comment_294075 Tue, 10 May 2011 18:53:51 -0700 James Cunningham
Other than that, the romance with what's-her-name was weak, I understood how his transition happened but didn't really buy it, and none of that mattered much when Thor smashed things hard with a big-ass hammer. Thor is a really entertaining piece of summer fluff. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294244#Comment_294244 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294244#Comment_294244 Thu, 12 May 2011 04:11:06 -0700 odarable
But then.. Then there is THOR.

You know how they said that "not a seat was dry"?

Like that.

DUUUUUUDEEEEE.

THOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRHHHHH.

Thor is my religion now. I'll even see it in 3D! ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294245#Comment_294245 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294245#Comment_294245 Thu, 12 May 2011 04:13:52 -0700 Fauxhammer SO SWEARS THOR! ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294259#Comment_294259 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294259#Comment_294259 Thu, 12 May 2011 06:14:39 -0700 Paul Sizer Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294268#Comment_294268 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294268#Comment_294268 Thu, 12 May 2011 07:13:02 -0700 mister hex Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294274#Comment_294274 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294274#Comment_294274 Thu, 12 May 2011 07:29:15 -0700 Fauxhammer
Hawkeye is indeed in it, but I think he was wearing a vaguely fatigue-y getup. No purple Wolverine mask. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294278#Comment_294278 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294278#Comment_294278 Thu, 12 May 2011 07:49:38 -0700 longtimelurker
Kicked you out for the self-fornication, eh? (kidding!) ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294482#Comment_294482 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294482#Comment_294482 Fri, 13 May 2011 18:14:28 -0700 Paul Sizer And Hawkeye's in it? In a purple dress or not?
I'm betting dollars to donuts that all of the other Avengers that we see in that movie dress exactly like the crew in THE ULTIMATES. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294488#Comment_294488 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294488#Comment_294488 Fri, 13 May 2011 19:45:03 -0700 Sonny Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294520#Comment_294520 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294520#Comment_294520 Sat, 14 May 2011 05:54:44 -0700 Davies0010 To be relevant to the topic at hand: Other cameos in Marvel films have atleast made some kind of a narrative sense.
Showing a silhouetted archer in a basket as their Hawkeye reveal seemed kinda hamfisted. There have to be better ways to have worked a spoiler like that in. For example, in revealing the cosmic cube at the end, could have said Pym was working on it or something.
]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294530#Comment_294530 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294530#Comment_294530 Sat, 14 May 2011 07:48:04 -0700 mister hex
Sal Buscema? Really? I love Sturdy Sal but why's he getting any credit at all? And fuck Stan Lee. If anybody deserves credit, it's Kirby. And I would stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table and YELL THAT TO THE WORLD!

And now I'm sad there's no purple dress. ]]> Thor (the movie) [spoilers] http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294544#Comment_294544 http://freakangels.com/whitechapel/comments.php?DiscussionID=9834&Focus=294544#Comment_294544 Sat, 14 May 2011 09:33:01 -0700 Neila