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    "Good fun" is about how I'd describe it. It's competent and well done all over, and Thor himself is pretty much perfect. Likeable all the way through, and it rarely gets boring. It's good fluff, and worth the time.

    Thor being so all-over charming is a bit of a problem, though. As has been mentioned here, nothing feels weighty. None of the conflicts, none of the climactic fights. It's all just going through the motions. Thor's a likeable guy all the way through, and it doesn't feel like he learns a lesson. One moment he's a likeable rowdy guy who's a little too self-confident and believes in fighting before diplomacy, then he discovers he can't take his hammer and there's a pretty girl there, and all of a sudden he's learned his lesson. Okay. That was... too easy, too short, not in movie-time, but in in-the-movie time.

    And Loki! While I like his character, his motivations and actions were actually surprising and well-done, and the actor who portrays him does it well, it feels like everyone over-hyped him as a trickster and a sneaky dude when it comes to actually... being sneaky. The end fight is the best example of this. Here he's about to fight his brother, who's pretty much the most powerful dude in Asgard, and all he can pull off is shooting at him with his spear-thing and then doing the old "oh please save me, ha ha tricked you" thing? Loki's centuries old, and he resorts to freaking clichés? Dude should be pulling off freaking ninja tricks, firing from the shadows and darting away, setting traps, convincing Thor that what he's doing is good, using everything he's got! But no. Brute-force fight and "lol I'm hanging off a cliff come get me plz".

    And really, Thor SHOULD feel conflicted about letting Bifrost do its thing, if all it'll do is destroy the frost-giants' world. In some movies, the destruction of an evil and sneaky and out-and-out horrible race is generally treated as a good thing. Thor has absolutely no love for these people, and they're hardly presented as anything but evil. If Thor even showed a HINT of having to consider his options, even that would improve the anticlimactic final fight.

    At least Loki seems to get into it a bit more in the after-the-credits gimme, manipulating things a little from behind the scenes. He didn't seem to be possessing Skarsgård as much as simply poking him in the direction he wanted him to go.

    3D effects were okay, but not worth the extra cash. In the future, 3D speshul effect people, I'd recommend that you actually BLUR the backgrounds in close-up shots, since having sharp backgrounds behind sharp actors makes it look like the backgrounds are actually painted on a wall a few feet away. Even when outside.
  2.  (9834.22)
    It seemed like a longer version of an unanimated Justice league unlimited episode. (i like the series very much but it really did feel like an episode)

    Even tho Thor has has his own book for a long time the series had died and come back again with very few good writers. I've always liked him as a
    secondary character in the avengers than reading him off on his own.

    I'm curious how they are going to play him in the avengers movie since they are doing the run of Ultimate avengers and the running gag in that was him bragging about being a god and no one believing him.

    For once they actually had a female character not be a damsel in distress the whole time! I wish they had written her better but at least she was helping him more than he helping her swooning all over the place...

    Liked the little bit part with Hawkeye ;-)

    unfortunately the theater i saw it in was WAY WAY dark on screen and we could not see any of the Ice Giant fights well At all. :p
  3.  (9834.23)
    The best stuff in this movie was definitely:

    1. Loki. Wonderfully acted, and motivation that actually makes him sympathetic.
    2. Anything with Thor transposing Asgardian/Viking customs to the modern day. Especially him happily smashing his coffee mug and asking for another.
    3. Hawkeye.

    As much as I liked Natalie Portman's character, it's true that she was mostly just kind of there and not doing much, although she was consistently funny when required. Better than Cameron Diaz was in Green Hornet, another recent film where the female lead is just kind of around because there's supposed to be a female lead but the writers couldn't figure out enough to do with her. I think part of the problem in Thor was that there wasn't as much time to develop her, what with splitting back and forth between what's happening in Asgard to what's happening in New Mexico.
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    Thor being so all-over charming is a bit of a problem, though. As has been mentioned here, nothing feels weighty. None of the conflicts, none of the climactic fights. It's all just going through the motions. Thor's a likeable guy all the way through, and it doesn't feel like he learns a lesson. One moment he's a likeable rowdy guy who's a little too self-confident and believes in fighting before diplomacy, then he discovers he can't take his hammer and there's a pretty girl there, and all of a sudden he's learned his lesson. Okay. That was... too easy, too short, not in movie-time, but in in-the-movie time.
    People keep saying this, and it's like they missed the part where when Loki tells him that Odin is dead he places the blame squarely on Thor. I think the realization that his actions actually caused the death of one of his loved ones is reason enough for his new found humility and lack of abandon in battle.

    And because nobody's mentioned it: Ray Stevenson's Volstagg further proves that Ray Stevenson needs to be in everything.
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    I wanted to this movie instead.
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      CommentAuthorscs
    • CommentTimeMay 9th 2011
     (9834.26)
    I enjoyed, and it was definitely worth the bucks. Very pretty characters and costumes, nice action sequences, gorgeous settings, and a pretty decent overall plot.

    On the other hand, the pacing was uneven and the character and relationship developments were much, much too quick to be believable.

    Heimdall fucking rocked. Damn near worth the price of the ticket just for him.

    Non-spoiler about the end: what I'd envisioned was Dr. Foster being escorted into a lab by Agent Coulson. As they're walking along, he half-apologizes for taking all her stuff and says they brought her some help to reassemble it all. They're a guy working at the bench, and as she says "Hey, don't touch that" he turns around and it's Tony Stark.
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      CommentAuthorBeamish
    • CommentTimeMay 10th 2011
     (9834.27)
    @kyle-latino awesome
  8.  (9834.28)
    it's like they missed the part where when Loki tells him that Odin is dead he places the blame squarely on Thor. I think the realization that his actions actually caused the death of one of his loved ones is reason enough for his new found humility and lack of abandon in battle.

    Point. Except that his Jesus moment happens AFTER he's told that Loki was just screwing around with him. Could be that's the reason why people keep forgetting about that thing, despite it possibly being a big part of why he's more humble. And you never really feel it in the movie, since you know it's a ruse. It's another one of those "makes sense in the script, less so in the movie" things, I think.
  9.  (9834.29)
    Thor - a comic book movie - directed by Kenneth 'Hamlet' Brannagh...

    I'd say that, considering his directorial past, he did an alright job: enjoyable, frothy, funny and pacy - with already noted brilliant art-direction and smashing of mugs comedy - and he also managed to cram a lot of Thor history & Asgard exposition into a relatively short time.

    Anyone living in London, UK & wishing to see it in 2D can do so at Cineworld West India Quay - I did, twas good as there were 4 of us in the cinema.

    2D - brighter visuals and less customers making noise.
  10.  (9834.30)
    The problem with the end of the movie is that the fight with Loki paled into insignificance compared to the fight with The Destroyer. That was just one amazingly damn cool robot-thing. I mean sure, the fight was necessary to close out Loki's plot, but it just seemed anticlimactic form an action standpoint.

    Other than that, the romance with what's-her-name was weak, I understood how his transition happened but didn't really buy it, and none of that mattered much when Thor smashed things hard with a big-ass hammer. Thor is a really entertaining piece of summer fluff.
    • CommentAuthorodarable
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2011
     (9834.31)
    I think the movie was kind of crap. I saw it in 2D because 3D freaks me out a bit, and it was annoying how they've included lots of way-beyond-unrealistic Aesgard design etc just because IT LOOKS AWESOME IN 3D DUDE when there is no reason for it being there.

    But then.. Then there is THOR.

    You know how they said that "not a seat was dry"?

    Like that.

    DUUUUUUDEEEEE.

    THOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRHHHHH.

    Thor is my religion now. I'll even see it in 3D!
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      CommentAuthorFauxhammer
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2011
     (9834.32)
    My thought is that every ticket sold was a sacrifice, and now we won't be getting any more tornadoes or anything. "THE ODINSON HEARS YOUR PRAYERS, MIDGARD. YON SOUTHERN REACHES SHALL NO LONGER FEEL THE BRUNT OF MINE WRATH. SO SWEARS THOR!
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      CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2011
     (9834.33)
    Oda, you're so cute when you get all SQUEE over hunky Nordic gods...
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2011
     (9834.34)
    Haven't seen it yet, as I can't really go to movies anymore so here's a bit of a stupid question - any Kirby mentions? Does he get a creator credit? And Hawkeye's in it? In a purple dress or not?
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      CommentAuthorFauxhammer
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2011 edited
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    Lee, Kirby, Simonson, Sal Buscema, and a few others got credits at the end (I think it was under "Very Special Thanks" or something); I didn't notice if there was a "Created By" credit.

    Hawkeye is indeed in it, but I think he was wearing a vaguely fatigue-y getup. No purple Wolverine mask.
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    "I can't really go to movies anymore"

    Kicked you out for the self-fornication, eh? (kidding!)
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      CommentAuthorPaul Sizer
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2011
     (9834.37)
    And Hawkeye's in it? In a purple dress or not?

    I'm betting dollars to donuts that all of the other Avengers that we see in that movie dress exactly like the crew in THE ULTIMATES.
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      CommentAuthorSonny
    • CommentTimeMay 13th 2011
     (9834.38)
    My opinion can be summed up pretty easily: did what it was supposed to do, nothing more or less.
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      CommentAuthorDavies0010
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2011 edited
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    Whoops, wrong thread.
    To be relevant to the topic at hand: Other cameos in Marvel films have atleast made some kind of a narrative sense.
    Showing a silhouetted archer in a basket as their Hawkeye reveal seemed kinda hamfisted. There have to be better ways to have worked a spoiler like that in. For example, in revealing the cosmic cube at the end, could have said Pym was working on it or something.
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      CommentAuthormister hex
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2011
     (9834.40)
    The reason I can't really go to movies anymore is my overwhelming hatred of humanity and my fear of being shot if I tell them to STFU. But I'm making an effort for Thor, as me and a pal plan to see it tomorrow. Hopefully, I'll be able to rein in my more vocal misanthropy and enjoy the film without too many intrusions by teenagers, children, women, men. If I AM wounded (or indeed, killed), it'll be because I told the wrong person that I'd stab them in the gums with a screwdriver if they didn't shut up. (I tend to do this a lot. I wouldn't call it a character flaw, maybe just a foible. Or an eccentricity. At least I recognize that I'm not perfect. Yet.)

    Sal Buscema? Really? I love Sturdy Sal but why's he getting any credit at all? And fuck Stan Lee. If anybody deserves credit, it's Kirby. And I would stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table and YELL THAT TO THE WORLD!

    And now I'm sad there's no purple dress.

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