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    • CommentAuthorShawn
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2008 edited
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    Just re-read this 4-issue mini for the first time since, well, probably since I bought it as a monthly. Wow.

    I had been searching for my issues of Ennis' 'Goddess', which along with his small run on (or was it a mini series? Can't remember) Thor both seem to have disappeared from my collection (the same reason why I now just buy the first trade of Preacher when I want to turn someone on to it. So many loans never returned...) but I found this little gem I had forgotten about altogether. Anyone else read this? It came out somewhere around the beginning or middle of the Preacher series, and has alot of similarities as far as characterization. That true grit, a man's creed theme running through Jimmy, the main character. What's interesting though, is this almost seems a reverse introspection on those ideals, as in Preacher you feel (at least I did) 100% behind Jesse Custer and his ideals, even when they blow up in his (or others') face, it's because the other characters lack what he has. In Pride and Joy I would argue we see a similar character, ideally speaking, but in Jimmy it seems the ideal is more and more convoluted as we learn his past. He embraces these ideals (as set to him by his father) but in a kind of 'missed the message' way, so that it almost seems a character flaw in him by the end.

    Great read. The violent still at the end of the first issue smacked me as hard this time as it did the first time I read it.
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      CommentAuthorUnsub
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2008
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I am a HUGE Ennis fan. He is the only writer I like more than Warren. I missed Goddess and true grit though. Hopefully they get rereleased.

    It seems that garth can write America better than any American can. He seems to grasp what is wonderful and what is awful like you only can with a bit of emotional distance.

    I like downloads as a way of turning people on to books. Most of the people I have given a Preacher or Transmet file to have turned into fans and bought TPBs.
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      CommentAuthorCyman
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2008
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    Have you read Pride and Joy, though? I also lovely Ennis possibly more than Ellis. I like them both enough that it really doesn't matter which one I like more, and I will at one point have read everything ever written by both of them. Pride And Joy however, is still on my list, only due to poverty and my priorities sometimes placing food above comics.
    • CommentAuthorMidweeker
    • CommentTimeFeb 13th 2008 edited
     (989.4)
    Whilst not wanting to be a shill for the company, if you know anyone in the UK, Forbidden Planet are knocking out cheap copies of Godess for about a fiver (Orbiter too!).
    Pride & Joy & True Faith are resolutely out of print, though - quite possibly to the point where the rights will revert soon?
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    Aha! Just finished telling everyone to read Pride and Joy instead of The Boys on that thread. I have read this and I think its one of his best. Its a more mature and complex take on the John Wayne ethics of Preacher. Shame if its out of print because I think any Ennis fan would love it and a lot of other people would do. A forgotten gem.
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    Pride and Joy is a beautiful piece of work. Not only a father-and-son story, but also a story that - as a lot of Garth's work - studies human nature, in this case the protagonist's nature and his past. John Higgins' art was also very good.

    I'd put Warren and Garth on the same level if it wasn't for Preacher, the best story I've ever read - not comic, story, independent of medium. I absolutely love Transmetropolitan, but Preacher is just unforgettable for me. Every issue - whether it was a self-centered issue or an episode of an arc - was excellent at least. Most were magnificent. And Arseface has to be one of the greatest characters in the history of comics.
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      CommentAuthorparibolzi
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2008
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    If this is turning into an Ennis bj thread, I'll kneel down and take a turn.
    The usual caveats about his juvenile predilections for disfigurement and ridiculous mayhem aside, when things started to go bad between Jesse and Cassidy in PREACHER,I was genuinely disturbed, and felt betrayed by a fictional character. I actually spent time and energy hoping "it isn't so, Cassidy would never sink so low and betray a friend like that."

    Say what you will about Ennis' limitations as a writer, the man can bring real emotions to life on the page.
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    I know its a company title, but I love his Thor: Vikings. And also ive always wanted to read his shadowman run.
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      CommentAuthornativio289
    • CommentTimeApr 10th 2008
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    Ennis' Shadowman had Ashley Wood art too...

    A lil' comic book FYI for your ass... :)
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      CommentAuthorStargrave
    • CommentTimeApr 11th 2008
     (989.10)
    @nativio289
    be careful. you just gave me an erection that punched a hole in the ceiling.
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      CommentAuthornativio289
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2008
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    Get some nails and use that thing to fix the hole.
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      CommentAuthorStargrave
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2008
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    load and fire
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      CommentAuthorUnsub
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2008
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    I loved/hated the Cassidy betraying Jesse run. It was fantastic writing but I was invested enough in the characters to where I could happily read a few dozen issues of things working out really well even if there was no drama or conflict. I was not to terribly impressed with the first issue of War is hell though. I will buy it all though of course.
    I am impressed with the idea on the last couple Punishers to send US soldiers after Castle. The smart thing for Castle to do would be take a few months off but that is a tough order for someone with a compulsive need like Frank's.

    Even the stuff Ennis did on the Darkness is good.

    I am going to search out Pride and Joy. Maybe even just as a download until it comes out as a trade. That is what downloads are great for. Reading comics you can't find to buy or to check out a new author.
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    I'm having a time out until I can learn some manners.
    It's not hard to find. Pride and Joy has been available as a paperback for years.
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    @Unsub

    Trade.
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      CommentAuthorscooter23
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
     (989.16)
    @nativio289

    the last Tank Girl mini-series turned me onto Ashley Wood, great artist!

    that + Ennis = me spend money....
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      CommentAuthorCyman
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008 edited
     (989.17)
    I'd also recommend the Ennis/Crain Ghost Rider... which sounds ridiculous, but... well, that Ennis is amazing. Nothing he can't make amazing. I was glad to see he's co-writer on the next Constantine movie.
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      CommentAuthorscooter23
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
     (989.18)
    @ Cyman

    that is good to see. the first constantine movie would have been alright.. if it wouldn't have actually been called constantine.

    i try to rationalize that keanu reeves was really 'Jeff' Constantine, john's american, former pro-surfer cousin....cuz that would explain everything.
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      CommentAuthorCyman
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
     (989.19)
    Ha! It's Keannu Reeves as Steve Constantine!
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    @ scooter23 - I did similar. It worked as he was so far removed from the Constantine I've grown up with!

    I thought I'd never read Pride & Joy until I looked into it. Then it came flooding back and I remembered I had all the issues way back when. Damn good stuff!